Syria - Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War (OP)
Salaam
Western governments and media are engaging in propaganda campaign to brainwash the public into getting (directly) involved in another war.
You cant make this up .
However some do resist.
Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War
I am moved to write what follows by a terrible feeling of powerlessness as the government of my country rushes towards a war for which it knows it has no mandate.
It appears that a decision has already been taken in Washington DC to launch some sort of attack on Syria. It also seems that the British government wishes to join in that attack. The House of Commons has been recalled but the behaviour of the Opposition Leader (and of the leader of the Liberal Democrats) suggests that they are not prepared to question this involvement with any vigour. If British people wish to oppose this bizarre and perilous adventure, it is therefore up to them to contact their MPs directly.
This posting is designed to help them to do so, calmly, reasonably, politely and logically while there is yet time. A decisive vote against British involvement is still quite possible, and would be an important demonstration of national maturity and responsibility, as well as a permanent check on the incurable enthusiasm of some politicians for war and its alleged glamour and glory.
Here are some arguments which you might wish to use, if and when (as I urge you to ) you contact your MP in the next two days.
It is being suggested (as it always is) that the planned attack will be precise, surgical, proportionate etc etc etc.
The truth is that nobody ever really knows the final consequence of any act of violence. Violence generally results in retaliation, which in this case might take many unpredictable forms.
Wars often begin with minor incidents, minor anyway to start with, which then bleed without ceasing until they have spread a vast red stain on much of the surface of the Earth. They are often begun on the basis of mistaken information, or indeed of lies. They are often begun by credulity, by emotionalism and by the failure of responsible persons to see through propaganda.
That is why thoughtful people hesitate greatly before even contemplating such acts, generally preferring to do them only in self-defence. When the violence involves a military attack on a sovereign country with which we are not at war, the matter is still more risky.
Precision warfare is a myth. On several occasions, supposedly super-accurate airstrikes on Libya resulted in the undisputed deaths of several entirely innocent people, including small children. Our attacks on Belgrade during the Kosovo crisis killed such dangerous persons as a make-up lady at Serbian national TV headquarters. If our concern is for the innocent, the launch of bombs and missiles is an odd way of showing it.
The moral clothing in which this attack is dressed is a mass of rags and tatters. The very same people demanding punishment for the Syrian state (including the discredited Anthony Blair) are those who defend or overlook the terrible mass killings by the Egyptian government. That government, which came to power in a blatant military coup, has - and I put this at its mildest – no more legitimacy than the government in Damascus. What is more, there is no dispute at all about who is responsible for the recent mass shootings of demonstrators in Egypt. Yet neither Washington nor London (who claim to be be to descry Syria's guilt by some sort of magic process) will even concede that a putsch has taken place in Cairo.
If we are outraged by governments that kill their own people, our outrage cannot be selective and aimed at only one government which does this. If it is selective, then it is false and has another purpose. What is that purpose? We are not told.
At the time of writing, the United Nations teams have barely begun their investigation into the episode. The Syrian government deny their involvement. There is no proof that they are lying. It is far from impossible to believe that the rebels have resorted to such weapons. In fact, it makes far more sense for them to have done so than for the Syrian government. That government has the upper hand in its civil war at present. It knows perfectly well that proof of its complicity in the use of poison gas will open it to attack. It also knows that such proof will remove the protection it has had up till now from the UN Security Council and the Russian-Chinese veto.
The rush to take action before those teams have reported is frighteningly reminiscent of the rush to attack Iraq, and the withdrawal of Hans Blix’s inspection teams from that country, which were of course on the point of discovering that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Governments simply cannot be trusted to act wisely or responsibly in such matters. They have repeatedly shown this in recent years. That is why we have a Parliament and a free press, to scrutinize and question such things. What is the rush? Why are we having the sentence first, and the evidence and the verdict afterwards? Mr Cameron should be told he cannot have his war until he has proof that it is justified, and until he can show that the actions that he plans are in the interests of this country.
Please do what you can, while you can. There are many honourable reasons for opposing this attack. Whether you are of the Left or Right, liberal or conservative, Christian, of another faith or without faith, patriot or internationalist, all can unite on the simple issues of preferring truth to falsehood, calm justice to wild, flailing vengeance , and careful deliberation to rush to judgement.
Please, do what you can to stop this.
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
This video helps to understand how western propaganda systems work.
Re: Syria - Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War
format_quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset
I dont think the west wants Assad out at all, they're purposely enflaming this conflict so both sides keep fighting each other so that it will spread in lebanon and iraq and more people will be killed. See it as just like the iraq - iran war.
infact we see that the west is currently cooperating with iran and iraq's dictator to attack sunni tribes and a major insurgent group. Alliances have shifted and probably indeed russia will attack saudi-arabia sooner or later.
2014/1435 will be much worse.
You could be right if the "Muslims" slaughter off each other, then Israel can expand without the Zionists losing their lives. Maybe the Russians can get Iran to take out Saudi. It would spare Russian lives and Western backlash on them. Wouldn't it be great to have the master plans of all these nefarious regimes. They all smile at the cameras shaking hands and plotting to kill each other. All bleat that God is on their side... I wonder. "The meek will inherit the Earth" it sure won't be people then.
Re: Syria - Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War
Some brigades have declared war on ISIS. Below is a written declaration of war (mods - convert it to an image, please)
militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=212600&d=1388773453
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Thanks for the list of the group break downs, I am still confused as every. It is clear that all of you don't like the FSA (think it is western backed), many dislike Assad (but some likes him).
I am amazed that all still think the West has any control over this. The rebels kills FSA commanders like there is no one guarding them (One of them is invited over and killed), I seriously doubt FSA or the West can have any influence in this war (Unless God intervenes). It is jus a war between Assad and the Rebels now.
I am still amazed that how the rebels without the help of the West is better armed than the FSA, which is supported by West. I think they are from Iraq with Saudi money, then I heard the news that Saudis send Millions of money to Lebanon, that means Saudis are now supporting Hezbollah fighting for Assad, so there is no way they could been support the rebels.....
Re: Syria - Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War
Salaam
Its hard to make sense of whats going on. Heres one attempt.
Now it's Middle Eastern regimes fighting al-Qa'ida, while the US ties itself up in knots
This is “Arab unity” as we have never seen it before. But watch out
And so, for the first time in recent history, it seems that the “war against terror” – and specifically against al-Qa’ida – is being fought by Middle East regimes rather than their foreign investors.
Sure, American drones still smash into al-Qa’ida operatives, wedding parties and innocent homes in Pakistan. But it’s General al-Sisi of Egypt, President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq, President Hassan Rouhani of Iran – even powerless President Michel Sleiman of Lebanon – who are now fighting “terrorists”.
It shows how powerful the bad guys have become that mutually antagonistic dictators and satraps can gang together against America’s enemy. This is “Arab unity” as we have never seen it before. The Ottoman Empire lives again. But watch out.
You need to put on a tin hat to avoid the ironies crashing out of the sky. John Kerry – now the most outrageously funny Secretary of State in US history, he who promised an “unbelievably small” airstrike against Syria – says America supports the secular rebels against Assad, who are fighting the Islamist rebels who are fighting against Assad even though the US still wants the overthrow of – you guessed it – Bashar al-Assad.
Meanwhile the Saudis are still pouring money into Syria to help the al-Qa’ida-associated Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) – against whom Bashar and the secular Free Syrian Army are now fighting – while the Saudis also contribute billions to Sisi’s army in Egypt which is fighting identical al-Qa’ida-linked “terror” in Sinai and now, it appears, in Cairo itself. And if you are confused by all this, try Lebanon.
Last week, the authorities claimed to have arrested Majid bin Mohamed al-Majid, one of the “most wanted” al-Qa’ida men in Saudi Arabia. All they had to do to confirm this extraordinary detention was to use DNA to check the man’s identity. This came only weeks after Lebanese Shias blamed Saudi “terrorists” for blowing up the Iranian embassy in Beirut, an attack followed by the assassination of a prominent Sunni politician and then – last week – by a further attack on Shias in the Hezbollah-controlled southern suburbs of the Lebanese capital. No sooner had Sunni ex-minister Mohammed Chatah been car-bombed to death, than the Americans promised more money to the Lebanese army. How, then, could the Lebanese avoid being drawn into the “anti-terrorist” war after arresting Majid? Miraculously – and there have been a lot of miracles in the Middle East region, as we all know – the Lebanese not only confirmed that they had indeed got the right man, but that he had regrettably died of organ failure while in their custody. Phew!
But US support for the Lebanese military will go ahead. Just as Washington is now offering more missiles and planes to the Shia sub-dictator President Maliki of Iraq if he goes on biffing Sunni insurgents and al-Qa’ida men in Anbar province. History, of course, repeats itself in Fallujah and Ramadi, the two cities repeatedly conquered and then re-conquered and then re-conquered for a third time by US forces after the illegal invasion of 2003. In 2004, the Marines claimed they had wiped out al-Qa’ida in Fallujah, then handed the city over to Baathist policemen. Then the Americans virtually destroyed the city around the heads of al-Qa’ida after another few months – we will not mention the use of US phosphorous shells and the outbreak of childbirth abnormalities more than five years later – and now the largely Shia Iraqi army is fighting the Sunni tribesmen of Fallujah. Who are in turn (be patient, readers) claiming they are fighting the local al-Qa’ida groups, just as the Free Syrian Army insists that it is now in combat against the same al-Qa’ida groups in Syria.
Meanwhile Kerry – who has not invited the Iranians to the Geneva 2 talks on Syria – says Iran might play a valuable role “on the sidelines” (has ever an invitation to Iran appeared more insulting?) while the main Syrian opposition forces have no intention of taking part in the Swiss conference. Geneva 2, in other words, is a dead duck; just like the Palestinian-Israeli talks of which Kerry still speaks with optimism – a sure sign that this particular duck is also dying.
Who now remembers the Arab Awakening – or “spring” as some of my colleagues still insist on calling it? Well, let’s just take a look at an ominous statement this past weekend in which the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant claimed responsibility for the latest bomb in Beirut – the one that killed at least four civilians in the Hezbollah suburbs. So now Isil – as I suppose we must call it – acknowledges it is fighting on three fronts: Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. So we have Arab regime unity at last. As for America – well, I guess they’ll go on supporting the Free Syrian Army which is fighting al-Qa’ida which is fighting Bashar whom Washington wants to dethrone.
America’s Muslim Brotherhood friends in Egypt have just been formally classed as “terrorists” by Sisi who is supported by the country which is paying – long live Salafism – for Islamist “terror” in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon. And Saudi Arabia – the key to the whole fandango, though no one will say this – remains a close and “moderate” friend of America. Say no more.
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Its just inciting fitnah, thats it. No other words for this.
http://www.youtube.com/user/robinb4life?feature=mhee
I will not calm down until I will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, I will put my cheek on the ground. - Umar ibn khattab(Ra)
Turkish Military Intelligence of Syria Civil War (Rumors)
Basically, these are rumors. <br><br><br><br><br>Insider News. Not made to the Public. We all know what is happening in Syria right now, and now we have Sunni rebel groups fighting against each other. Someone in the Turkish Military Intelligence says <br><br>- They lost contact with the most credible people in these rebel groups<br>- Iranian troops are underestimated, news say 1000. But there is over 10000, and more flooding in.<br>- Don't forget hezbollah (Lebanon Shia military too) and Iraqi Shia fighters. These are not farmers but trained military personal that join in with Assad's army. (So it looks like only foreigners are in the rebel groups)<br>- Russian are giving intelligence to Assad too.<br>- Turkey is now more concern with spies in the refugees camps and terrorist attacks from both Assad(and other Shia) and Sunni Rebel groups.<br><br><br>Turkish Alliance with Syria Rebel group is causing Political Crisis. There is also Saudi Political crisis which America is deeply concerned about. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>I knew once Sunni group was fighting the other, it could never end well. =/
WaAAada Allahu allatheena amanoo minkum waAAamiloo alssalihati layastakhlifannahum fee alardi kama istakhlafa allatheena min qablihim walayumakkinanna lahum deenahumu allathee irtada lahum walayubaddilannahum min baAAdi khawfihim amnan yaAAbudoonanee la yushrikoona bee shayan waman kafara baAAda thalika faolaika humu alfasiqoona
24:55 Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion - the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: 'They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me. 'If any do reject Faith after this, they are rebellious and wicked.
and those who believe it is fitnah or whatever can do what they do best, sit at home and curse at everyone. knows whom his soldiers and hosts are on this earth and victory is coming!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Re: Syria - Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War
The only One Who can do anything is Allah, so how about making duas? Surely if every Muslim cried for the Syrians like they would if their own relatives were in trouble there, Allah's Help would actually come.
A few weeks ago some Syrian women were crying for their relatives in Dar'aa because the place was under siege and no one could get food, etc and no one could get out (except for college students and public sector employees who were allowed transit in and out of the place). The women made duas while crying in the masjid and other muslimas (nonSyrians) joined in and made duas. Within the week the situation improved and many of the inhabitants of that area were able to escape from the city and go to other places.
So how about crying to Allah to send His Help. It will definitely come because Allah is the hearer of the hearts in distress. The Muslims are supposed to be like one body so when any part of the body is in pain, the whole body is in distress. So when a part of the Ummah is in so much pain, why aren't the rest of us in distress? Is it because we don't care?
Last edited by Muhaba; 01-15-2014 at 05:40 PM.
Reason: typo
Re: Syria - Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War
Salaam
Isnt this interesting
West has discussed co-operation with Syria, Damascus claims
UK government denies co-operation, while US secretary of state John Kerry indicates he is not aware of contact
Some western nations opposed to President Bashar al-Assad have discussed security co-operation with his government, Syria said on Wednesday, a move which if true would suggest a rise in western concerns about foreign militants in rebel ranks.
The UK government denied having any such co-operation with the Assad regime and the top US and French diplomats both said they were personally unaware of such contacts though did not go so far as to deny that any had taken place.
Syria's deputy foreign minister Faisal Mekdad said several western intelligence services had visited Damascus for discussions. His comments were broadcast a day after the Wall Street Journal reported that French and Spanish spy services had made contact with Assad's government. French media have carried similar reports.
"I will not specify [which countries] but many of them have visited Damascus, yes," Mekdad said in a BBC interview.
Any suggestion that western countries were talking to Assad's government could complicate their relationships with opposition groups supported by the United States and Europe, and with wealthy Gulf states that fund the rebels.
Asked about the report, US secretary of state John Kerry indicated he was not aware of such contacts.
"I don't know anything about that, certainly not under my auspices," he told reporters in Kuwait, where he is on a visit.
In Paris, French foreign minister Laurent Fabius declined to comment, although when pressed he said he had the "same position" as Kerry. The defence ministry declined to comment.
The French newspaper Le Figaro reported in December that the DGSE external intelligence service had gone to Damascus to discuss cooperation on terrorists. Damascus had replied that it would do so if France re-opened its embassy, it reported.
There was no immediate reaction from officials in Germany or Spain.
Western powers have long supported Syria's opposition with rhetoric but the past year has seen a shift in emphasis, with countries backing away from material aid to the rebels as al-Qaida-linked groups have gained power in rebel-held regions.
Western countries are worried about the presence in rebel ranks of foreign Islamist militants who have travelled to Syria to join a near three-year-old struggle to topple Assad.
"Frankly speaking the spirit has changed," Mekdad said. "Many of these countries have contacted us to coordinate security measures."
"When these countries ask us for security cooperation, then it seems to me there is a schism between the political and security leaderships," he added.
Assad has always maintained that the uprising against him is run by terrorists and that western support for the rebels damages western countries' own interests.
Re: Syria - Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War
Salaam
And another
Western spooks and 'evil' Syria in talks about common enemy
• MI6, MI5, and allies see growing threat posed by jihadists in Syria
• Classic, discreet, role for intelligence agencies
That western intelligence agencies, including an official representing MI6, Britain's foreign intelligence service, have been talking discreetly to the Syrian government, a regime savaged by David Cameron and other western political leaders, should come as no surprise.
Andrew Parker, the head of MI5, and Richard Walton, head of Scotland Yard's anti-terrorism command, have both warned recently about the potential threat posed by the number of young men (between 200 and 300 according to their latest estimates) leaving Britain to fight with "al-Qaeda linked" groups in Syria's civil war.
They could return, say counter-terrorism officials, flaunting their status and posing a dangerous threat as battle-hardened jihadists.
More than 1,000 Europeans are said to have joined extreme jihadist groups in Syria.
Nigel Inkster, former deputy chief of MI6, now a senior fellow of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, told the Commons home affairs committee on Tuesday that while the groups fighting in Syria had no "particular animus" towards the UK, Syria could become "a crucible for a new generation of international jihadists", compared to the anti-Soviet mujahadeen in Afghanistan in the 1980s, a "band of brothers", looking for other fields in which to fight, including, possibly, the UK.
There was not a huge amount Britain could do about it, Inkster suggested, other than trying to keep tabs on them.
That is the context behind the claim, reported by the BBC's Lyse Doucet, that western intelligence officers have visited Damascus for talks on combating radical Islamist groups. The claim was made by Syria's deputy foreign minister, Faisal Mekdad.
Doucet says that according to "informed sources" western intelligence officials have met Syrian intelligence officers, including the Syrian security chief, General Ali Mamluk.
One of the tasks of a country's intelligence service - always officially "deniable" - is to try and sort out the mess by their short-sighted political masters who helped to create it in the first place.
MI6 talked behind the scenes to the IRA engaged at the time in bloody confrontations with British troops and planting bombs that were killing British civilians.
MI6 was trying to talk to Taliban years before western political leaders belatedly thought it would be a good idea.
Cameron and William Hague, the foreign secretary, are clearly having second thoughts about their demands that Syria's president, Bashar al-Assad, whom they have described as "evil", must go before negotiations in Geneva can start, let alone any direct talks in Damascus.
Weak or divided governments have presented a dangerous opportunity for jihadists, notably those fighting for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, ISIL.
Assad's enemies have become those of the west as well.
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