So if i understand this thread you are all comfortable with your individual countries being in a country they don't belong in?...Hence you all shout for Peace for Paris, fearing that the fight might come to your country soon?
So if i understand this thread you are all comfortable with your individual countries being in a country they don't belong in?...Hence you all shout for Peace for Paris, fearing that the fight might come to your country soon?
"...Whoever kills a soul ... it is as if he had slain mankind entirely..." Quran 5:32
Well, this attack in Paris wasn't made by the ISIS... It was a false flag !
Even in Tunisia, we had a "terrorist attack" today, one of the terrorists behaded a 16 years old child and he sent his head with his friend.
I don't believe these kind of crap, they are FALSE FLAGS in both Tunisia and France !!
Anyhow, we need to be sorry for the victims in France and Tunisia
Even if they kuffars, weather ISIS likes it or not !!!!
This sura is well enough for us Muslims to love all humanity and support them and be kind with them: Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
As for the other aya, i hope you understand it's meaning, because if you still think that we have to be hard with them, then you are making Quran looks contradictory, that kind of kuffar are those who fight and attack us, why will be hard with non muslims instead of calling them to Islam kindley, and how will they respond postively to us if we treat them hardly ? It doesn't make sense! We need to be MODELS! How will we have a good picture, how will Islam have a good picture if we don't defend the weak ? How was prophet Mohamed with the unbelievers ? Did we forgot who Prophet Mohamed is ?? "So by mercy from Allah , [O Muhammad], you were lenient with them. And if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you" Al-Imran 159 "We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures" Anbya 107 See ? it's these kind of ideas and thinkings that can producte terrorists and monsters!
I'm committed to the morals and to humanity and i shall remain so to the end, i do not care about the Fanatics!!
Anyhow this is a very good video to see
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THIS NATION WILL KNOW WHO WILL DEFEND IT WITH HIS TONGUE AND WHO WILL FIGHT FOR IT WITH THE GLORIOUS SWORD !!!
So if i understand this thread you are all comfortable with your individual countries being in a country they don't belong in?...Hence you all shout for Peace for Paris, fearing that the fight might come to your country soon?
My dear sister why you are failing to understand that taking inocent life muslim or non muslim is simply wrong
No one here supports the injustice commited against muslims we are against tht and we feel for every muslim in this world including sham, palastine, Chechnya afgabistan pakistan burma....
If you feel that we are not doing well blame us that we muslims are not united..........
But weather it be isis, aq, .... Any other killing 120 ppl in retaliation is just wrong
Now the point is we condemn terrorist attacks killing innocent people paris, usa to ksa ....... Thats fullstop
Sorry, sis, I didn't really understand the question; so, I'll In-sha-Allah answer simply based on my understanding of your question. I'm in the U.S.; and many U.S. citizens (including me) don't like the kind of foreign intervention we're as a country often known to undertake to the detriment of Muslim populace in many countries. That being said, yes, I do fear extremists. I fear that extremists are taking out their anger on innocents, and they are spreading fitna in the land so that ordinary Muslims have to fear the aftermath of their legacy everywhere. Already, some ISIS-inspired individuals have committed heinous actions on U.S. soil, and I am fearful that there may be other lone wolves who are easily brainwashed into committing such actions. I don't like extremism; and I will never support extremism. I don't believe Islam has any place for extremism; and people who believe otherwise, I fear, are seriously misguided.
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So if i understand this thread you are all comfortable with your individual countries being in a country they don't belong in?...Hence you all shout for Peace for Paris, fearing that the fight might come to your country soon?
This is sad because we hold muslim accountable, yet we dont hold the west accountable for anything...and this is the point i am trying to make, not retaliation, not Isis, not JN...you just find it easier pointing the finger, but you pointing it in the wrong direction, your individual countries dont belong in other peoples countries, stealing their wealth, raping their lands all under the guise of PEACE...these regimes are not peaceful, they are in want of ushering in their system...Dar'al kufr...Geewizz....are you all blinded by their atrocities, that our Ulema all scream out in unison there is no place for terrorism in Islam, so they to dont adhere to Allah's Laws? Its sad because our Ulema all belong to ORGANISATIONS and each has to toe the line in our they propagate Islam...like it or lump it...truth will always prevail, falsehood is by its nature bound to perish!!
So if i understand this thread you are all comfortable with your individual countries being in a country they don't belong in?...Hence you all shout for Peace for Paris, fearing that the fight might come to your country soon?
Hmm... We aren´t comfortable when some group (ISIS or alqaeda or who ever else) attacks against innocent civilians, just same where and just same whose are those victims. It is a act of cowards, nothing more, nothing like heros fighting against oppressors. Glorifing kind of acts is against the basic values of Islam as well against the humanity.
Plus its against the forum rules.
20. No praise of, condoning of, or calls for violence or other unislamic behaviour will be tolerated whatsoever on the forum. This includes inciting and glorifying combat under the pretense of Jihad. The scholars are to be relied upon in such issues.
One would have to totally lack any empathy whatsoever to disregard the fact that the french government and the people who claim to have control over it have commited a much more horrendous crime of bombing thousands of people in their homes for no valid reason whatsoever.
Can anyone justify the rationale for the french bombing campaign in Syria?
Also interesting to note that the mujahideen fi sabeel Allah groups in Syria weren't carrying out any attacks abroad - or killing americans in Syria - until after the aerial bombing campaign that was instigated after various differents methods and attempts to find an excuse.
We were going to go to Montreal to take my ex-mother-in-law to brunch. For an elderly lady in not-so-good health, taking her grandchildren out to brunch is a special treat for her. But we can’t go. The news from Paris unfolds like a malignant blossom perfuming my heart with horror. The awful theatricality of it smacks of the entity which calls itself the “Islamic State”. A perversion of something beautiful to clothe something putrid. The suffering Syrians and Iraqis who know it intimately call it “Daesh”. But we in Canada too often give it legitimacy, and call it what it wants as its brand. Horror. And fear. Fear that the so-recently re-acquired Canadian “sunny ways” will turn again to bitter grey. Fear that our lives will once again go marching off to battle. Fear that people around me may turn their gossip-laden eyes towards “people like me”. Fear that my autistic “typical middle-eastern”-looking teenage son will be interpreted through nightmare-tinted lenses. How can we go to brunch? So I cancel the trip and inadequately send my love. I disappoint a woman who is ticking off her remaining days like a shipwrecked mariner. And wrap myself and my children in a blanket of mourning and uncertainty.
Please, I pray to God… Shower your Kindness on all our weeping hearts, and Help us find a way out of these Shadowed Lands.
This is sad because we hold muslim accountable, yet we dont hold the west accountable for anything...and this is the point i am trying to make, not retaliation, not Isis, not JN...you just find it easier pointing the finger, but you pointing it in the wrong direction, your individual countries dont belong in other peoples countries, stealing their wealth, raping their lands all under the guise of PEACE...these regimes are not peaceful, they are in want of ushering in their system...Dar'al kufr...Geewizz....are you all blinded by their atrocities, that our Ulema all scream out in unison there is no place for terrorism in Islam, so they to dont adhere to Allah's Laws? Its sad because our Ulema all belong to ORGANISATIONS and each has to toe the line in our they propagate Islam...like it or lump it...truth will always prevail, falsehood is by its nature bound to perish!!
We are not blind for their atrocities but the way to "answer" to them is something absolutely else than this kind of attacks. You can start new thread where to discuss about the atrocities and how to answer to them but don´t link it to this attack. They are two very different matters as this attack wasn´t any kind of answer or retaliation. This was an act of extremist hate.
Why aren't there 50 posts an hour for the crimes of America and it's allies then?
Is it due to the fact that people are more cautious of being labelledby obama and less afraid of being labelled by Allah?
I understand what you're saying, sis. However, I don't believe our ulema in this case are trying to toe the line in this case. They are unanimous in their condemnation of terrorism. They have written many proofs in their fatwa if anyone (Muslim or non-Muslim) cares to research. Our ulema, for example, please note are also unanimous that homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, though many countries have legalized it. Taking a religion-governed stance against homosexuality is considered hate speech in the modern world, yet our ulema are unchanged at their stance because they know that Allah's Laws do not change. Also, committing an ad hominem in is not helpful to the case you're trying to make, sis, because the ulema's proofs in this instance (i.e. condemning terrorism based on academic Islamic understanding) are extremely solid.
format_quote Originally Posted by ajr
This is sad because we hold muslim accountable, yet we dont hold the west accountable for anything...and this is the point i am trying to make, not retaliation, not Isis, not JN...you just find it easier pointing the finger, but you pointing it in the wrong direction, your individual countries dont belong in other peoples countries, stealing their wealth, raping their lands all under the guise of PEACE...these regimes are not peaceful, they are in want of ushering in their system...Dar'al kufr...Geewizz....are you all blinded by their atrocities, that our Ulema all scream out in unison there is no place for terrorism in Islam, so they to dont adhere to Allah's Laws? Its sad because our Ulema all belong to ORGANISATIONS and each has to toe the line in our they propagate Islam...like it or lump it...truth will always prevail, falsehood is by its nature bound to perish!!
We are not blind for their atrocities but the way to "answer" to them is something absolutely else than this kind of attacks. You can start new thread where to discuss about the atrocities and how to answer to them but don´t link it to this attack. They are two very different matters as this attack wasn´t any kind of answer or retaliation. This was an act of extremist hate.
Was it directly a minuscule result of the horrendous atrocities of the French people and their democratically controlled government's actions?
Or was it isolated and spontaneous?
Because the "crimes" as you put them are well-known among Muslims, bro. For example, if there's a pink elephant in the room, no one needs to speak about it, bro, because it's already there for any person with eyes to see. However, the reason Paris attacks or other attacks like these probably get threads is because it is like a cancer that no one knows how to treat.
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
Why aren't there 50 posts an hour for the crimes of America and it's allies then?
Is it due to the fact that people are more cautious of being labelledby obama and less afraid of being labelled by Allah?
Sis, our ulema have also said that drones and such attacks against Muslims are wrong too. However, we're not under the helm to control what actions are undertaken by countries in the Western Hemisphere. However, as Muslims, we're held to a higher standard by Allah, and therefore even if we're in danger of being wiped off the earth, we're still to follow Islam, and that means as believers we're to know that such attacks are illegal in Islam.
Truly fearing Allah means knowing that nothing happens without the Divine Will of Allah, and the Divine Will of Allah is that neither the world will see peace nor Muslims witness victory until Mahdi alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) emerges and Prophet Isa (Jesus) alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) returns from the Heavens to set aright the chaos reigning in this world.
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I understand what you're saying, sis. However, I don't believe our ulema in this case are trying to toe the line in this case. They are unanimous in their condemnation of terrorism. They have written many proofs in their fatwa if anyone (Muslim or non-Muslim) cares to research. Our ulema, for example, please note are also unanimous that homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, though many countries have legalized it. Taking a religion-governed stance against homosexuality is considered hate speech in the modern world, yet our ulema are unchanged at their stance because they know that Allah's Laws do not change. Also, committing an ad hominem in is not helpful to the case you're trying to make, sis, because the ulema's proofs in this instance (i.e. condemning terrorism based on academic Islamic understanding) are extremely solid.
Sister, we can't use the current 'ulema as an excuse to condemn mujahideen fi sabeel Allah when the Ulema are harassed and hate campaigns are instigated against them for being "political hate spewing mouthpieces of terror" when they simply condemn the atrocities of the kuffar governments or even mention them fleetingly, while the same governments demand that they speak out against a totally undefined and purposefully amiguous concept called "terror"?
I'm sure you must have noticed the difference in speeches during the kuffar atrocities in iraq during the emergency terror laws period - ad the speeches supporting mujahideen against Assad when the kuffar governments were working on destabilizing syria. and totally changed the definition of "terrorism" with the new criminal policies and aims in mind.
The bulk of intellectual groups that have been offered sweeties to spy in the prevent scheme came out shellshocked at how badly it was being used to vilify Islam and frighten people into silence on totally lawful discussions and pertinent issues, the list is long but i'll post a few links:
"We've heard of the police going into schools to talk about Prevent to teachers and saying things like, 'If a kid thinks the West is at war with Islam it might be a cause for concern.' Or if a child goes on a demonstration against the bombing of Gaza, 'Keep an eye on him.' Teachers are nervous because they don't know where the boundaries lie," said Kenny.
One schoolboy told Al Jazeera he was accused of holding "terrorist-like" views by a police officer who questioned him for taking leaflets into school promoting a boycott of Israel.
Sis, our ulema have also said that drones and such attacks against Muslims are wrong too. However, we're not under the helm to control what actions are undertaken by countries in the Western Hemisphere. However, as Muslims, we're held to a higher standard by Allah, and therefore even if we're in danger of being wiped off the earth, we're still to follow Islam, and that means as believers we're to know that such attacks are illegal in Islam.
Truly fearing Allah means knowing that nothing happens without the Divine Will of Allah, and the Divine Will of Allah is that neither the world will see peace nor Muslims witness victory until Mahdi alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) emerges and Prophet Isa (Jesus) alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) returns from the Heavens to set aright the chaos reigning in this world.
The Ulema have a habit of publicly and very loudly condemning acts committed by muslims against the kuffar ensuring that they are counted among those condemning the act, while the daily acts of aggression, transgression, murder etc against muslims, not only in the war-zones but in these very same 'civilized' countries including Israel, Burma, China, Russia, USA and 80 or so others goes uncondemned publicly and only in passing whispers privately...
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