I doubt it's a false flag.
How many are preparing right now for the next attacks?
The refugee wave could be used as a cover to deploy multiple groups of attackers.
Whoever was planning this, for sure they know how local police and people will react, mostly chasing innocent refugees and long staying muslims in EU, meanwhile they had enough time to prepare.
May be it's time for muslims to reveal who is staying behind attacks?
Hello Physicist,
(mildly) Mmm... This is a strange post, frankly. You seem to be insinuating that Muslims in general actually know who is perpetrating these acts, and ahead of time!
(raised eyebrows) Do you really think an individual or a group of people who are planning an attack, are going around in the general community (the majority of Muslims do not, actually, go to the mosques, you know), seeking out Muslims to tell them about the next up-coming attack?! And that Muslims are then keeping this information to themselves, and letting their fellow citizens get gunned down?!
Really?!
The reality is that Muslims are people just like everyone else. They are mostly involved in working, raising their families, having a little relaxation, doing a few good deeds and being less-than-perfect. If they knew someone was planning an assault in a public place, they'd probably do what most people would do: try to call the police, warn their family and friends, and try to keep away from whatever was planned.
I'm Muslim (smile. If God Wills). And I know absolutely nothing about terrorist plans. And my reactions are just like anyone else's. I heard the news with shock and horror . Then I emailed my cousin and family who live in Paris to make sure they were ok (they were). And I worried till my kids came home safe (they did). And I hugged them all. And I cancelled our plans to visit my ex-mother-in-law in another city, wanting to see how our new Prime Minister would deal with this (the old one tended to beat the drums of war; the new one is wiser, it seems). Then I called my ex-mother-in-law and talked about the happenings in Paris. And Iran. And Syria. And refugees. And politics. And feelings of helplessness in the face of wrongdoing by all the various actors who are involved in the mess in Syria (and there are a lot of them). And our sympathy for the suffering of the local people who just cannot live in their own homes anymore.
(mildly) So if you are wondering what Muslims know and are saying about what they hear about in the news... well, it's pretty much like everyone else, I think.
May God, the Oft-Forgiving, Help us to better know ourselves and one another.
(mildly) Mmm... This is a strange post, frankly. You seem to be insinuating that Muslims in general actually know who is perpetrating these acts, and ahead of time!
(raised eyebrows) Do you really think an individual or a group of people who are planning an attack, are going around in the general community (the majority of Muslims do not, actually, go to the mosques, you know), seeking out Muslims to tell them about the next up-coming attack?! And that Muslims are then keeping this information to themselves, and letting their fellow citizens get gunned down?!
[I]Really?!
Assalaamu alaikum, brother.
It's just out of context of discussing with sister Ajr ISIS matters in this topic and another one.
I think that ISIS was created by some evil powers to split muslims and turn away the world from Islam. Worried that ISIS supporters are getting isolated from other muslims and think this all has to be discussed and to reveal who is staying behind ISIS. But discussion went to far to justification of it deeds and probably not suitable for this forum.
Isn't it funny (and sad) that when a lot of these events occur, they just give you a feeling of doubt? Maybe it's just me, but I've parted ways with my old beliefs thinking absolutely every flutter of a bird's wings was the result of a conspiracy against Muslims. Even still, the creation of ISIS, the false flags, and how events seem to just perfectly (coincidentally) line up to create more fear even though they make little sense is hard for me to accept as fact. I feel like I should embrace the feelings in the back of my mind more and just trust my gut, even while not having the facts.
I don't doubt the West's war against Islam but I also don't doubt the hatred from groups like ISIS, AQ and their smaller counterparts. We have warnings from the Qur'an and the Prophet (SAW) about the extremism and fall of Islamic knowledge toward the end times, some verses even directly mentioning the rise of ISIS. Some ahadith even describe Sufyani as almost literally al-Baghdadi (and this is from someone who isn't very keen on ahadith in general).
I'm there to express my grief when Palestinians are murdered, Syrians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, etc. But my grief will always be for the innocent, irrespective of faith or nationality. Reading through the posts in this thread, I some other certain individuals should come to accept the same beliefs as that is part of Islam.
Just some thoughts of mine, apologies for the ramble, but it's difficult to trust anything you see see and hear nowadays.
Project yourself to the day of Qiyaamah...stand there, face your Creator and see if you will all be spewing the...#PrayforParis....yes Allah i prayed for the kufar, i showed much mercy towards them and i totally vilified the muslim that said he is holding on to the rope of Your laws...you all want to be acknowledged on a platform that you condemn the acts of certain muslims, already the angels on your shoulders have written down your actions, thoughts etc...now you want acceptance from the masses for it too?
#PrayforParis...Like did you pray FAJR this morning????????
I also don't doubt that powerful countries in the Western Hemisphere had known that certain actions will work to destabilize the Middle East, strengthening the position of Israel in that region. However, biggest enemy of Muslims are extremist Muslims themselves because no conspiracy of any nation would have capable of working had ingrown Muslim extremists not worked to play out the evil we're seeing on the global stage. For example, no doubt, ISIS and other extremist groups are infiltrated from within by CIA and Mossad and British intelligence a la Lawrence of Arabia style to give the latest and best information to the nations. That being said, Muslim extremists are the cancer ultimately because they are perpetrating unlawful actions under the guise of Islam, claiming they are true mujahideen (warriors) when Prophet sallalalhu alayhi wasallam(peace and blessings be upon him) would have been the first to reject them.
format_quote Originally Posted by Leoprecordia
Isn't it funny (and sad) that when a lot of these events occur, they just give you a feeling of doubt? Maybe it's just me, but I've parted ways with my old beliefs thinking absolutely every flutter of a bird's wings was the result of a conspiracy against Muslims. Even still, the creation of ISIS, the false flags, and how events seem to just perfectly (coincidentally) line up to create more fear even though they make little sense is hard for me to accept as fact. I feel like I should embrace the feelings in the back of my mind more and just trust my gut, even while not having the facts.
I don't doubt the West's war against Islam but I also don't doubt the hatred from groups like ISIS, AQ and their smaller counterparts. We have warnings from the Qur'an and the Prophet (SAW) about the extremism and fall of Islamic knowledge toward the end times, some verses even directly mentioning the rise of ISIS. Some ahadith even describe Sufyani as almost literally al-Baghdadi (and this is from someone who isn't very keen on ahadith in general).
I'm there to express my grief when Palestinians are murdered, Syrians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, etc. But my grief will always be for the innocent, irrespective of faith or nationality. Reading through the posts in this thread, I some other certain individuals should come to accept the same beliefs as that is part of Islam.
Just some thoughts of mine, apologies for the ramble, but it's difficult to trust anything you see see and hear nowadays.
Project yourself to the day of Qiyaamah...stand there, face your Creator and see if you will all be spewing the...#PrayforParis....yes Allah i prayed for the kufar, i showed much mercy towards them and i totally vilified the muslim that said he is holding on to the rope of Your laws...you all want to be acknowledged on a platform that you condemn the acts of certain muslims, already the angels on your shoulders have written down your actions, thoughts etc...now you want acceptance from the masses for it too?
#PrayforParis...Like did you pray FAJR this morning????????
You haven't directly answered a single question from anyone in this thread so allow me to engage you. If you're not going to answer this question directly, then don't even bother responding:
Are you saying the people who were killed last night weren't innocent?
(1) Yes
(2) No
(3) I'm going to dodge yet another question because I have nothing intelligent to say
I also don't doubt that powerful countries in the Western Hemisphere had known that certain actions will work to destabilize the Middle East, strengthening the position of Israel in that region. However, biggest enemy of Muslims are extremist Muslims themselves because no conspiracy of any nation would have capable of working had ingrown Muslim extremists not worked to play out the evil we're seeing on the global stage. For example, no doubt, ISIS and other extremist groups are infiltrated from within by CIA and Mossad and British intelligence a la Lawrence of Arabia style to give the latest and best information to the nations. That being said, Muslim extremists are the cancer ultimately because they are perpetrating unlawful actions under the guise of Islam, claiming they are true mujahideen (warriors) when Prophet sallalalhu alayhi wasallam(peace and blessings be upon him) would have been the first to reject them.
Walaikum as'salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,
I couldn't agree with you more. You share my same beliefs.
I really am sorry, sis, that you feel that way. However, I stand by my statement because Islam is a "living" religion. Prophet sallalalhu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) had stated in prophetic tradition that ulema (scholars) are the inheritors of prophets, and our ulema (scholars) have by consensus rejected extremism and terrorism. Prophet sallalalhu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) also said that the way to determine which Muslims are on the right path is to "stick" so-to-speak with the majority. And the majority of Muslims all over the world reject extremism and terrorism as well. Prophet sallalalhu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) also said that we would not go astray as long as we accept follow the Quran and ahadith, and both of those are again testament to the fact that Islam categorically rejects extremism and terrorism.
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I really am sorry, sis, that you feel that way. However, I stand by my statement because Islam is a "living" religion. Prophet sallalalhu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) had stated in prophetic tradition that ulema (scholars) are the inheritors of prophets, and our ulema (scholars) have by consensus rejected extremism and terrorism. Prophet sallalalhu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) also said that the way to determine which Muslims are on the right path is to "stick" so-to-speak with the majority. And the majority of Muslims all over the world reject extremism and terrorism as well. Prophet sallalalhu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) also said that we would not go astray as long as we accept follow the Quran and ahadith, and both of those are again testament to the fact that Islam categorically rejects extremism and terrorism.
Originally Posted by ajr
Astaghfirullah!!!!....you are speaking on behalf of the Rasul (SAW)...i am shocked, walahi...Tauba, Tauba, Tauba
The French is Kufar, i really care little, so you can take it to them on a silver platter!!!....Does that answer you...i did mention it throughout my posts...lol...i like you the way you feel the need to interrogate me an speak to me like im your child...
You're going to get spoken to by how you portray yourself. Naturally, you avoided everyone's questions so I needed to make a point to keep it as simple as possible to finally get a straight answer out of you. Your answers in the previous posts were open-ended and indirect. You were trying to be clever. I'm a more direct person.
But now it's clear, you side with Islamic extremists and you condone attacks on innocent civilians. You share the mentality of a terrorist. You believe that all people who live in a country under a corrupt government support their actions and are equally guilty. You're just like the followers of Abu Sufyan and the people the Prophet (SAW) warned us about. If that's the case, then going by your mentality, I should blame you for the deaths of some members of my family at the hands of Islamic extremists since you support their cause.
The fact that you resorted to condemning mujahideen fi sabeel Allah before any motive being implied or clarified sends off a spark of light as to your intentions. However Allah knows best.
Do you carry the Daesh thinking ?
THIS NATION WILL KNOW WHO WILL DEFEND IT WITH HIS TONGUE AND WHO WILL FIGHT FOR IT WITH THE GLORIOUS SWORD !!!
Every Muslims at this forum and outside should condemn this attack. This is a very sad and tragic event, this is terrorism....
Islam teaches us the message of peace and love and mercy towards all humans. Allah (swt) says in the Quran to stand up for truth and justice even if it is against one's own parents, against one's ownself....
We should stand and condemn this act if it truly has been committed by certain misguided young minded youth from among the Muslims. Pakistan, my own country, faced similar terrorism from these individuals who attacked a children school and killed almost 150 children....
The non-muslims are not the only one who face attacks of these individuals, its also us, Muslims who do almost every day in different parts of the Muslim world....
The Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahu Alaihi Wassallam) himself warned us against these individuals who will misinterpret the Quran and harm others through their incorrect interpretation. The 4th Rightly Guided Caliph Ali (r.a) even fought a battle against them and they came to be known in the history of Islam as Khawarij (Dissenters/Separaters/outgoers)
They recite the Holy Qur’aan but it does not exceed the limits of their throat.
.... but they will desert Islam (go out of religion) as an arrow goes through the victim's body (game etc.)
[Sahih Bukhari, Vol 8, The Book of Al-Adab (Good manners) Chapter 95, Hadith Number 6163 (Also see vol. 4 Hadith no. 3610)]
But our Beloved Prophet (Saw) warned that they would continue to appear before the end of the world from within Muslims from time to time. Certainly that has been the case.
The same day of the Paris Attack the following Muslims countries also faced attacks from these Khawarij:
Bomb kills Yemen worshippers at mosque in Houthi-dominated region - reports
Suicide bomber kills at least 18 in Baghdad – reports
But now it's clear, you side with Islamic extremists and you condone attacks on innocent civilians. You share the mentality of a terrorist. You believe that all people who live in a country under a corrupt government support their actions and are equally guilty. You're just like the followers of Abu Sufyan and the people the Prophet (SAW) warned us about. If that's the case, then going by your mentality, I should blame you for the deaths of some members of my family at the hands of Islamic extremists since you support their cause.
You're disgusting.
They will never understand that killing one soul is like killing the souls of all humans, they can never understand that!
We blame the sheikhs that they are following without using their minds, they are just sheeps led blindly by their masters
oh, maybe we need to stop speeking, maybe they will call us kuffars, we never know their reactions, they already showed their real faces, and the whole world know who are they...
I wonder who told these kind of thinking people that members here don't pray fajr ?
How could they judge people ?
Who told them that we don't pray for our other muslim brothers in these countries in our daily prayers ?
Do they have an angel speaking to them or something ?
THIS NATION WILL KNOW WHO WILL DEFEND IT WITH HIS TONGUE AND WHO WILL FIGHT FOR IT WITH THE GLORIOUS SWORD !!!
Salaam Brother Farhan... I agree with what you've posted, definitely the conspiracy element is found in all of these attacks that have taken place in the Western cities in the past decade or more.... for example the Charles De Gaulle the only aircraft carrier that has nuclear capability and is the major source of French Military might was already planned to dispatched to Syrian waters before this attack even took place...this attack will support the expedition to Syria....
France's only aircraft carrier to leave for Middle East on Wednesday
The only aircraft carrier in the French Navy’s fleet, the Charles de Gaulle, will leave for the Persian Gulf on November 18, to join the fight against Islamic State in the region, Paris has confirmed. France announced the deployment of its only aircraft carrier against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) on November 5.
....but we cannot ignore the fact that these puritanist, zealot minded individuals who claim to hold the only correct interpretation of all aspects of the Islamic Din (Way of life) without any tolerance or room for others, always provide pretext for West to intervene in our Muslim countries do exist as well....
They have been prophesied by the Messenger of Allah (SallAllahu Alaihi Wassalam) and they appeared like the Horn (Qarn) of Shaytan (Qarn also means age/time/epoch).... they have divided a Muslim from his brother and sister and father and mother through their incorrect interpretation....
One of their Characteristics that Messenger of Allah (sallAllahu Alaihi Wassallam) prophesied was that they take Verses that refer to disbelievers and apply it to believers....
Verily, they take verses that were revealed about unbelievers and make them against the believers.
...by doing so they give Fatwa of Takfir (declare kafir/disbelieve) against their own Muslims brothers and sisters and declare their blood to be spilled. This has been happening in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria...
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....Does that answer you...i did mention it throughout my posts...lol...i like you the way you feel the need to interrogate me an speak to me like im your child...
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