It is so funny, because everything Donald Trump said about Obama and crooked Hillary, in Florida, is true in ways, depending on how you look at things.
We should NOT ever, ever, ever have gotten into Iraq : Obviously true.
I said this from the beginning : Debatable. Not everybody agrees.
I said that you will destabilize the Middle East if you do that : Obviously true.
We should never have gotten out, in the way we got out : Sorry, but there was no other way left than just getting out. The occupation troops were increasingly playing sitting ducks over there. Obama did not have a choice there.
Obama should never have said when exactly they would get out : Sorry, but you cannot hide that information. It would have been so obvious when they would be leaving, and when exactly they would be gone. He is suggesting something that would not possibly work in the real world.
We should have allowed some small forces behind to maybe keep it under control : No, not possible. They would again just have been playing sitting duck over there.
Decimating Saddam Hussein's military power was a terrible mistake : Probably.
Obama is the founder of ISIS : In ways, he is, but then George Bush is even more so.
I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton : In ways, she is.
So we have a mess : True.
The only problem that I hear in what he says, is that he does not demonstrate that someone else would have done a less lousy job than Obama.
Obama certainly did not do the lousiest job possible. I somehow suspect that the honour for that, will soon go to our beloved Donald Trump himself! ;-)
Last edited by kritikvernunft; 08-11-2016 at 08:25 AM.
Re: Obama is the founder of ISIS and Hillary is the co-founder!
I can't help but imagine the Actual founders of Daesh sitting in a room watching this, Trump is saying Obama founded ISIS and Hillary is the co-founder. Then their friends and the guys who are working for them are like, "You guys, what is this! You said you founded ISIS!"
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Re: Obama is the founder of ISIS and Hillary is the co-founder!
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
salaam
Who would have thought that crazy conspiracy theories would make it in the mainstream.
Crazy conspiracy theories tend to thrive because they have a habit of confirming people's biases more often than the truth does. And the US Right Wing has been just about nothing but conspiracy theories since Obama took office.
That doesn't mean the US Left is free of their own, mind you, because they certainly have some. However, unlike the US Right (on average), they don't tend to be the entire basis of just about every issue and policy they speak of.
Re: Obama is the founder of ISIS and Hillary is the co-founder!
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
truth is stranger than fiction... freudian slip, headsup
Trump's claim is very possibly literally true.
Ever since the start of the Syrian civil war, the US State Department has been funding moderate rebel groups to fight against Bashar. In the dangerous war situation in Syria, these moderate rebel groups became quickly radicalized and then indistinguishable from ISIS. By the way, all of this is still going on today. Our beloved Donald Trump now pretty much claims that ISIS itself started as a moderate rebel group funded by the State Department, which radicalized later on.
This would make Obama and crooked"Put her in jail!" Hillary indeed literally the founder and co-founder of ISIS.
As you can well imagine, the American right looooved that one. Sometimes a slip is really just a slip, but when it confirms something that so many people inexplicably want to be true....you can't talk to some people, right?
As you can well imagine, the American right looooved that one. Sometimes a slip is really just a slip, but when it confirms something that so many people inexplicably want to be true....you can't talk to some people, right?
Can't talk to people with a deep bias for their particular brand of unjustified patriotism
You must live in a hole, even Julian Assange of Wikileaks fame exposed USA's hand in training, arming and delivering proxy armies to Syria and Iraq who formed a coalition proxy called ISIS under the guidance of the USA - and yes, Obama, Hilary and the US powerhouse fomented the whole thing.
Ya know what green ears? google is your friend... use it, to find some truth instead of feed your bias like a chump.
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