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    Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution' (OP)


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    With Trump in power, Netanyahu has a free hand.


    Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'


    Land grab law 'allows theft, stalls peace process'

    Law that retroactively legalises settler homes on private Palestinian land widely condemned as legitimising theft.


    Israel's land grab law that retroactively legalises thousands of settlement homes in the occupied West Bank legitimises theft, violates international law and ends the prospect of a two-state solution, according to politicians, legal experts and human rights groups.

    The so-called "Regulation Bill" instantly drew wide condemnation as it was voted in by members of the Knesset late on Monday with a 60 to 52 majority.

    The law applies to about 4,000 settlement homes in the West Bank for which settlers could prove ignorance that they had built on privately owned Palestinian land and had received encouragement from the Israeli state to do so.

    Three Israeli NGOs - Peace Now, Yesh Din and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel - and numerous Palestinians said they intend to petition the Supreme Court to cancel the law.

    UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said on Tuesday in a statement: "This bill is in contravention of international law and will have far reaching legal consequences for Israel."

    The EU's foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said in a statement that the bloc "condemns" the law and urges against its implementation "to avoid measures that further raise tensions and endanger the prospects for a peaceful solution to the conflict".

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said the law was an aggression against the Palestinian people.

    "That bill is contrary to international law," Abbas said following a meeting with French President Francois Hollande in Paris. "This is an aggression against our people that we will be opposing in international organisations.

    "What we want is peace ... but what Israel does is to work toward one state based on apartheid."

    Hollande called on Israel to go back on the law, saying it would "pave the way for an annexation, de-facto, of the occupied territories, which would be contrary to the two-state solution".

    Hours before Abbas' meeting with Hollande, Saeb Erekat, secretary general of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, told the Associated Press news agency that the law puts "the last nail in the coffin of the two-state solution".

    Calling the move "theft", Erekat said the ruling showed "the Israeli government trying to legalise looting Palestinian land".

    The Arab League also accused Israel of "stealing the land" from Palestinians.

    "The law in question is only a cover for stealing the land and appropriating the property of Palestinians," said the head of the Cairo-based organisation, Ahmed Aboul Gheit.

    Palestinian owners will be compensated financially or with other land, but cannot negotiate their terms.

    The law is a continuation of "Israeli policies aimed at eliminating any possibility of a two-state solution and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state", Aboul Gheit said.

    Jordan, one of the few Arab states to have diplomatic ties with Israel, also denounced what it called "a provocative law likely to kill any hope of a two-state solution".

    According to the UN envoy for the Middle East peace process, Nickolay Mladenov, the law crosses a "very thick red line" towards annexation of the occupied West Bank, and sets a "very dangerous precedent".

    Speaking to the AFP news agency, he said: "This is the first time the Israeli Knesset legislates in the occupied Palestinian lands and particularly on property issues."

    He also raised the possibility the law could open Israel up to potential prosecution at the International Criminal Court, a threat Israel's own top government lawyer, attorney general Avichai Mandelblit, has also warned of.

    Mladenov called for strong international condemnation of the legislation but declined to criticise the US after President Donald Trump's administration refused to comment on it.

    Trump is more sympathetic to Israel's settlement policies than previous US presidents; the Israeli government has approved plans to build thousands of new homes on occupied territory since the far-right leader settled into the White House.

    "I think that is a very preliminary statement," Mladenov said. "Obviously they do need to consult, this is a new administration that has just come into office and they should be given the time and the space to find their policies."

    White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the US was likely to discuss the law with Netanyahu when the Israeli prime minister visits on February 15, but did not comment further in a press briefing on Tuesday.

    David Harris, head of AJC, the global Jewish advocacy organisation, said that "Israel's High Court can and should reverse this misguided legislation" ahead of Netanyahu's meeting with Trump in February.

    That was also the message from Defence Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who said last week: "The chance that it will be struck down by the Supreme Court is 100 percent."

    'Against all international laws'

    International law considers all settlements to be illegal, but Israel distinguishes between those it sanctions and those it does not, dubbed outposts.

    A Palestinian Cabinet minister also called on the international community for support.

    "Nobody can legalise the theft of the Palestinian lands. Building settlements is a crime, building settlements is against all international laws," said Palestinian Tourism and Antiquities Minister Rula Maayaa. "I think it is time now for the international community to act concretely to stop the Israelis from these crimes."

    Nabil Abu Rdeneh, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, called the law "unacceptable" and urged the international community to act immediately.

    "This is an escalation that would only lead to more instability and chaos," Rdeneh said.

    Palestinians want the occupied West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip - territories Israel occupied in the 1967 Middle East war - for their future state.

    The international community views settlements as illegal and an obstacle to reaching peace.

    Shortly before leaving office, US President Barack Obama allowed the UN Security Council to pass a resolution declaring settlements illegal.

    Tobias Ellwood, Britain's Middle East minister, also condemned the land grab bill, saying it "is of great concern that the bill paves the way for significant growth in settlements deep in the West Bank".

    Yuval Shany, an international law professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said the law violates basic rights, interferes with property rights and is discriminatory because it regulates only the transfer of land from Palestinians to Jews.

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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    Yes, in the past I was for the two state solution. (in general I agreed with the Arab peace initiative of early 2000s). However after observing the so called 'Peace Process' was actually implemented I realised how gullible I was.

    To break it down, this is the spectrum of debate in Israel.

    (a) Ethnically cleanse them (eg. Whats happening in Gaza now)
    (b) Enslave them (eg. Whats happening in the West Bank)
    (c) Or at the liberal extreme make them into second class citizens (eg. In Israel proper)

    Another update. The legend himself, the former Prime Minister of Malaysia Mahathir Mohamad



    Glad to see some Muslim leaders still have a spine.

    EDIT - Having said that didn't expect this, interesting



    I doubt this change is due to a sudden change of heart (eg. previously he had little time for the Palestinian question and was very eager to push for normalisation)

    A more plausible explanation.



    We will see where this goes but this is a step in the right direction.

    On the Gaza resistance.



    Or to put it in another way.

    Blurb

    I would be involved myself in violent resistance if I were a citizen of Palestine”

    An interview conducted with the former US Marine Kenneth O’Keefe in 2010 resurfaced on social media amid Israel’s Gaza onslaught. The US Marine had affirmed his support for Palestinian resistance.


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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    I live in the UK.

    And I am thinking of leaving. I can't support a country that supports Israel anymore. My taxes would be contributing to their support. So no, I have to go.

    Which gave me this idea.

    European and western countries rely on immigration to keep their economy growing.

    But what would happen if we all left? Left the west.

    Their economies would collapse.

    Millions leaving would be hard to recover from.

    They wouldn't be able to fund their militaries anymore. They wouldn't be able to support Israel. They wouldn't be able to bomb muslim countries anymore.

    So why don't we make this happen? I am desperate for a solution to this Israel situation and I feel this would truly make a difference. I can't see kids in Palestine die and do nothing. Even by leaving the west, I feel I am doing something.
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    Great idea... the UK is Zionist anyway. The UK has an awful climate as well. The European Union is Zionist so you can't live there. Basically all the West is Zionist too. How about Indonesia? Or other Islamic states in the region.
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    format_quote Originally Posted by darkqueen1312 View Post
    I live in the UK.

    And I am thinking of leaving. I can't support a country that supports Israel anymore. My taxes would be contributing to their support. So no, I have to go.

    Which gave me this idea.

    European and western countries rely on immigration to keep their economy growing.

    But what would happen if we all left? Left the west.

    Their economies would collapse.

    Millions leaving would be hard to recover from.

    They wouldn't be able to fund their militaries anymore. They wouldn't be able to support Israel. They wouldn't be able to bomb muslim countries anymore.

    So why don't we make this happen? I am desperate for a solution to this Israel situation and I feel this would truly make a difference. I can't see kids in Palestine die and do nothing. Even by leaving the west, I feel I am doing something.
    I understand your sentiment but in my view this is the wrong approach. The grass isnt necessarily greener on the otherside.



    My personal view is that if you can move, you should. But I don't agree with this brother's framing. I wouldn't live in most Gulf countries, I don't care how much like New York they are. In fact, the way they beg to be like the West is why I'd rather stay in the West.

    They want to take all that's bad from the West, while also preventing you from working for good causes and getting involved in politics etc. Why would you go to that? The Gulf is a stifling place in that regard (with few notable exceptions).

    As for other, less developed countries - well, it depends. You don't take your family and wealth and cast it into the abyss wallahi because some Syrian village has a mosque and a hafidh or two. It's unstable, no opportunity, and can go up in smoke at any time due to war.

    That's not to say you shouldn't go and invest, but moving and settling there? That's the definition of putting all your eggs in one basket, and it's a tattered basket at that.

    Another aspect is this - some of us are at risk of death or torture. We don't tweet behind anon handles. We appear in the media. We give lectures. We write. As a result, some of us can't go back to our homelands, and other Muslim countries are hostile too.

    Add to that, often Muslim countries where you're not a native can have highly discriminatory practices by restricting yours and your kids' access to opportunity. You're a second class citizen at best, and always under threat of removal. Why would you move to that?

    Finally, it's not like Muslims by default apostasise because they're second gen or whatever. There are some very strong Muslim communities with a strong Islamic identity here in the West. I see them wherever I go. The brother was exaggerating and generalising.

    That said, I think he's right insofar as it's definitely preferable living in a Muslim land where Western conveniences may be sacrificed, but you get (minimum):

    1. Security
    2. Stability
    3. Dignity
    4. Opportunity

    If any of the above is missing, stay in the West.
    More discussion.

    In what sense? I think people romanticise hijra too much when they have no idea what necessarily awaits them on the other side, and end up putting themselves and their families in difficulty by not thinking things through properly.



    Like I said in the thread, my view is that if you can, you should. But let's not romanticise and be naive, because the Muslim world is quite simply not open to everyone. For example, I'll be killed or thrown into a dungeon in several places, and in other places I'd have no work.
    Edit - Having said heres an example of how beneficial hijra can be.





    The situation in the west isn't rosy but its not all bad either, you work with what you have. If you want to help the Palestinians and the Ummah in general then focus on becoming a man of substance, who can make a difference the in the world.

    Here, take an example of a brother who despite all the odds made a difference.



    It's been 5 years since the martydom of Qassam Commander al-Qari Nur al-Din Barakah(تقبله الله). He was the exemplar of a scholar warrior combining Ilm and Ribat. He played a key role in thwarting Israel's attempts to spy inside Gaza resulting in his martydom.

    In late 2018 Israel's elite Sayeret Matkal Commando Unit tried to plant spying devices in Hamas's communication lines via undercover operation. Commander Nur al-Din who was responsible for Khan Younis managed to stop that operation resulting in his martydom via a gun battle.

    The efforts of Commander Nur al-Din alongside Qassam's other operations to clean Gaza of spies and infiltration was an important first step to laying the ground work for Operation Tufan al-Aqsa in 2023.

    Without this crucial step of eliminating Israel's spying inside Gaza none of the subsequent steps that led to Operation Tufan al-Aqsa would've been possible let alone the operation itself. The importance of long-term planning is an important factor in this field.

    To learn more about the spying operation he thwarted one can watch Aljazeera Arabic's documentary on it, or read Aljazeera English's article on it. May Allah(ﷻ) be pleased with Qari Nur al-Din Amiin

    Documentary: https://youtu.be/yMGGDrJ6dEo?feature=shared

    Article: https://google.com/amp/s/www.aljazee...t-op-gone-awry
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    Another update

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    A four day temporary cease-fire agreement between Israel and Hamas has been extended by two days, and brings a glimmer of relief and hope to Palestinians in Gaza. Momentum from this brings the possibility of even more Israeli hostages and Palestinian detainees being released.

    Over 14,000 Palestinians have been killed, one-third of them children, since the onset of Israel’s siege in Gaza on October 9th, according to the Hamas-controlled Health Ministry. It followed the October 7 attacks by Hamas that killed 1,200 people in Israel and around 240 were taken hostage.

    In this episode of The Fourcast, we speak with the Palestinian Ambassador to the UK, Husam Zomlot. He’s a part of the Palestinian Authority that governs areas in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. We look at the wider ramifications of the Israel-Hamas war, and what it does to damage a secure and prosperous future for the Palestinians.

    A warning, this episode contains graphic descriptions of violence and warfare.






    Another overarching analysis.

    Mouin Rabbani: Israel has lost the plot

    This is Mouin Rabbani's latest assessment of Israel's Unfulfilled Objective: Eliminating Hamas


    On 7 October Israel vowed to destroy Hamas. To eradicate it as an organization. To neuter it as a military force, political movement, and governing entity. More recently Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, in true mob boss style, stated that he had given Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, Mossad, orders to assassinate all Hamas leaders residing in exile.

    Fifty days into this war, how close is Israel to achieving its objectives? The short answer is that it requires zero knowledge of military affairs to conclude that 1) Israel’s proclaimed objectives are unattainable, and 2) Israel has additionally failed to significantly degrade either Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ).

    The elimination of Hamas is unattainable for several reasons. Most importantly, unlike for example ISIS or the European Union, Hamas has – much like the IRA/Sinn Fein or Facebook, in the decades since its establishment in 1988 become deeply rooted within society, and today exists wherever Palestinian communities are to be found. So even if Israel succeeded in eradicating Hamas from the Gaza Strip – or, more accurately, driving it underground – the organization will survive in the West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan, and elsewhere. Indeed, the combined efforts of Israel and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank since 2007 have yet to succeed in eliminating either its military, political, or social presence. FYI it is now 2023.

    Previous campaigns to eradicate Palestinian movements have not only generally failed, but as a rule enhanced their stature. The scale of the current onslaught has catapulted Hamas’s stature to unprecedented levels among Palestinians, and indeed among Arabs and in the Global South more generally. That’s not a challenge that can be resolved by a fleet of F-35s armed with tons of high explosives.

    Israel’s extraordinary self-regard and capacity for self-glorification notwithstanding, the elimination of Hamas is a non-starter, least of all at the hands of the thoroughly mediocre Israeli military and intelligence capabilities revealed on 7 October.

    Let’s for example take a closer look at those charged with assassinating Hamas leaders abroad. When a Mossad cell tried to poison Hamas leader Khalid Mashal in Amman in 1997, the assassins were caught and arrested by one – just one – of his bodyguards, after a long chase. On foot. King Hussein threatened to publicly execute the James Bond wannabes, and Israel (in the person of none other than Netanyahu) was forced to deliver to Jordan not only the antidote that saved Mashal’s life but also the imprisoned Hamas founder/leader Shaikh Ahmad Yassin. In 2010, when the Mossad inexplicably dispatched a team of some two dozen agents to Dubai to assassinate a single Hamas operative, Muhammad Mabhouh, they forgot to observe elementary principles of operational security (e.g. hiding their faces from hotel CCTV monitors), and all ended up on Interpol’s wanted list. Their amateurish use of foreign passports additionally strained relations with key international allies, like Israel acolyte Stephen Harper of Canada.

    There’s no indication the agency has gotten any better during the intervening years. Unless you’re watching a Hollywood movie produced by Mossad asset Arnon Milchan, the Israeli foreign intelligence agency is not your go-to outfit for a campaign of high-profile foreign assassinations against an organization on high alert. I suspect American and European intelligence agencies are slowly reaching similar conclusions.

    Mossad’s domestic counterpart, Shin Bet, hasn’t fared much better. Not only because it has been unable to eliminate Hamas military chief Muhammad Deif for decades, but more importantly because Hamas was able to arm itself, prepare, and launch the 7 October attacks right under its noses, and it hadn’t a clue. While Israel was busy “mowing the lawn” in the belief it was keeping Gaza’s armed groups in check, the Palestinians constructed an entire rainforest in plain sight.

    Israel may well get a few high-profile scalps and proclaim the End of History, but the organizational impact will be minor and temporary. Yassin was assassinated in 2004, a time when the most powerful rocket in the Hamas arsenal had difficulty making it across my living room. Its successful assassination of Hizballah leader Abbas Mussawi in 1992 produced Hassan Nasrallah, Israel’s worst nightmare. In 2006, a daring midnight wartime raid in the Bekaa Valley finally captured Hassan Nasrallah. But there was a minor hiccup: the Mossad, which constantly proclaims itself the greatest and most sophisticated intelligence agency in recorded history, confused the head of Hizballah with a greengrocer bearing the same name.

    Similarly, Israel’s assassination campaign against Iranian nuclear scientists has been – to put it mildly – ineffective. Even the 2004 assassination of Yassir Arafat was counterproductive, as it set the stage for not only the obedient non-entity that is Mahmoud Abbas but also made possible the rise of Hamas as a genuinely national movement.

    But I digress. How significantly has Israel weakened Hamas since 7 October? If you listen to Daniel Hagari (the tunnel meme celebrity), Defense Minister Yoav Gallant (who looks like death warmed over when delivering good news), or Netanyahu, it’s clear there is very little left of the Palestinian movements, their leadership, or infrastructure. Antony Blinken, Jake “All Quiet on the Western Front” Sullivan, and John “Tearstosterone” Kirby, who seem to prefer receiving news after it has been vetted by the Israeli military censor, appear similarly confident.

    But once you step outside their echo chamber reality tells a very different story. A significantly degraded organization would not have been able to uniformly and simultaneously cease firing throughout the Gaza Strip at the very moment a truce went into effect. Or to continue firing coordinated rocket barrages until moments before. Or to record, edit, and centrally broadcast video footage of its military operations from multiple locations on a nearly daily basis. Or collect and deliver captives from multiple locations, to multiple locations, during the truce – including deliberately choosing a location in central Gaza City that the Israeli military claimed is under its control.

    The most important functions of any military organization – command and control, communications, logistics, reconnaissance, PR, and last but not least the ability and will to fight, appear intact and at best marginally affected. As pointed out previously, Israel has killed more UN staff than Hamas commanders. The same in fact holds true for journalists and medical personnel. And the Israeli military has yet to unearth a fraction of the tunnels found in Hagari memes.

    It's inconceivable that Hamas has not been weakened and degraded during the past 50 days, or not lost important cadres and commanders, or depleted a significant proportion of its arsenal. But significantly degraded? The evidence for this is entirely absent. The Israeli military is admittedly a highly efficient killing machine, but also a mediocre fighting force, particularly in ground operations. Wars are not won by slaughtering children by the thousands, or turning Gaza City into rubble and depriving an entire society of basic necessities. The Germans tried this in the Soviet Union, and the Americans in Iraq, and it didn’t end well for either of them. Many have expressed disgust at the video of an Israeli major dedicating the destruction of a building to his daughter on her second birthday. One could also point out that when a military reaches the point of celebrating the demolition of an apartment building, it should repurpose as a municipal engineering corps and can no longer be considered a serious fighting force.

    This also helps explain why the US – by any standard an active participant in this war – and Israel decided to not only negotiate with Hamas, but specifically with Yahya Sinwar, the architect of the 7 October attacks, and to accept most of Hamas’s conditions for the agreement reached several days ago.

    Before the truce was concluded US and Israeli officials – who previously rejected anything of the sort – explained that it would be an important agreement because it would legitimize a subsequent continuation and escalation of the war against the Gaza Strip. Several additional months on the scale of what we have witnessed this past month or even greater, as Gallant and Hagari keep promising, now seems increasingly unlikely.

    To be sure, Israel has an overwhelming advantage in military power. But when a serving cabinet minister advocates using a nuclear weapon against the Gaza Strip (a threat that has yet to be acknowledged by a single Western leader), it suggests the conventional military is having difficulty succeeding.

    Given its overwhelming power Israel can of course inflict very severe damage on not only Palestinian society but also Hamas. It will almost certainly make another effort to do so in the coming days or weeks. But it seems increasingly unlikely it is prepared to expend the blood and treasure required to achieve a meaningful military result. Its US and European sponsors also appear to be reaching a point where they would prefer to gradually wind this down before it gets completely out of hand and Israeli conduct ends up damaging rather than promoting their interests in the region.

    Israel’s systematic, deliberate attacks on the civilian population of the Gaza Strip, and systematic destruction of civilian infrastructure, should be understood in this context. In addition to being motivated by a lust for revenge and desire to achieve a body count many time higher than that inflicted by the Palestinians on 7 October, such campaigns, for example by the Nazis in occupied Europe, the French in Algeria, the British in Kenya, the US in Iraq and before that in Vietnam/Laos/Cambodia, and indeed Israel in Palestine and Lebanon, deliberately target civilian society in order to put pressure on armed groups that superior military force is unable to eliminate. The British after all pioneered the concentration camp during the Boer War for this objective, decades before the Nazis repurposed it for mass extermination.

    Given the above examples one might conclude that such tactics rarely end well for the occupiers. They often don’t. Yet it is also true that the dustbin of history is littered with just causes. In the case of Israel and the Palestinians, and despite the colossal imbalance of power, it appears that Israel is increasingly losing the plot.

    https://normanfinkelstein.substack.c...medium=reader2
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    Another update. An interview with the person who wrote this article.

    https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassin...-bombing-gaza/

    Blurb

    We look at a new report that reveals how Israel is using artificial intelligence to draw up targets in its military assault of Gaza. The report's author, journalist Yuval Abraham, has found that the IDF's increasing use of AI is partly a response to previous operations in Gaza when Israel quickly ran out of military targets, causing it to loosen its constraints on attacks that could kill civilians. In other words, the "civilian devastation that is happening right now in Gaza" is the result of a "war policy that has a very loose interpretation of what a military target is." This targeting of private homes and residences to kill alleged combatants means that "when a child is killed in Gaza, it's because somebody made a decision it was worth it." It has turned the Israeli military into a "mass assassination factory," with a "total disregard for Palestinian civil life," continues Abraham, who also notes that, as an Israeli journalist, his reporting is still subject to military censors. We also discuss another recent report revealing that Israel may have received intelligence about Hamas's planned attack more than a year in advance of October 7, but ignored it.



    I replaced the article with the above interview for clarity.

    One point to mention

    ‘An excuse to cause destruction’

    Israel launched its assault on Gaza in the aftermath of the October 7 Hamas-led offensive on southern Israel. During that attack, under a hail of rocket fire, Palestinian militants massacred more than 840 civilians and killed 350 soldiers and security personnel, kidnapped around 240 people — civilians and soldiers — to Gaza, and committed widespread sexual violence, including rape, according to a report by the NGO Physicians for Human Rights Israel.
    This is VERY contentious statement and has been challenged repeatedly . Ill speak more of this later. If atrocities did occur then obviously they should not be condoned. As the great Omar Mukhtar stated - "They Are Not Our Teachers"

    Another comprehensive interview on the subject.

    Blurb

    Krystal interviews author and political scientist Norm Finkelstein on Israel’s war in Gaza

    Timestamps:

    (00:00)Introduction, Norm’s Background
    (9:54)Essential Facts on Israel/Palestine
    (30:05)Norm Challenged on Hamas Atrocities
    (39:00)Do Geneva Conventions Apply to Palestinians
    (42:28)Norm Debunks Hillary Clinton
    (56:39)Were Palestinians Failed By Their Leadership?
    (1:04:50)Can you “steelman” Israel’s view of the conflict?
    (1:16:00)Is focusing on Israel “antisemitic”?
    (1:19:45)What was the real reason Israel stormed Al-Shifa Hospital?
    (1:31:31)Norm Debunks Claims of Hamas and Human Shields
    (1:42:00)What Comes After a Ceasefire?
    (1:45:45)Norm Goes off on Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson


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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    Another update.

    At the UN

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    Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has invoked what is widely considered to be the most powerful diplomatic tool at his disposal.

    In a letter to the UN Security Council, Guterres invoked Article 99 of the UN Charter, which states that “the Secretary-General may bring to the attention of the Security Council any matter which in his opinion may threaten the maintenance of international peace and security”.

    The letter represents the first time Guterres has invoked the article since he took over the role of UN secretary-general on January 1, 2017.

    In the letter, Guterres calls for the Security Council to press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe and appeals for a humanitarian ceasefire to be declared in Gaza.




    More recent developments.

    Blurb

    The UN is describing the situation in Gaza as "apocalyptic". Its aid chief says they do not have what can be termed a "humanitarian operation" there anymore, but he also promised they will not desert the people of Gaza.

    Israeli troops are now battling Hamas fighters in the middle of Gaza's second largest city, Khan Younis, in the crowded south. And Palestinians are fast running out of places to seek safety, as well as food.

    And a warning our report contains distressing images.





    Blurb

    “It’s the only state in the world that lobbies for its existence. Not for its policies. Not for its better economic performance, but for it’s very moral justification, and it’s losing that battle.”

    In an interview with Al Jazeera, Israeli historian Ilan Pappe says that Israel is a settler colonial project which may be coming to an end. He warns that settler colonial projects reaching their last phase become more “brutal and ruthless”.


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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    format_quote Originally Posted by prayforthebest View Post
    Selam aleikum.

    I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

    The title does not make Any sense whatsoever.

    The illegitimate state of Israil never planned a two state solution.

    It was a lie all along to keep everyone complacent
    And just to confirm brothers point. straight from the horse's mouth



    They dont even bother to hide their intentions.

    More comment.





    Liberals and their po faced surprise when the truth is bluntly stated







    Just to drive home the point about the wests involvement.

    Blurb

    It's just complicated, isn't it?





    The non aligned are beginning get it.


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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    Just to confirm the above point further - it has been obvious from long before 1947 - their statements about "greater Israel" are on record - and I was flabbergasted by the brazen obviousness when I saw this over a decade ago:



    And just found this as I was searching for the above:




    Hamas immediately released a very appropriate response video with brilliant editing - amazing when you consider the time frame - but it's been taken down by youtube, however the video description is articulated here:

    https://www.972mag.com/watch-hamas-a...-for-holy-war/
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    Funny how they seem to be looking less and less racially Jewish by the day. I wondered why my Jewdar wasn't detecting, then realised why when I discovered that she originates from Georgia.
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    Another update.

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    Houthis in Yemen have released a new statement, after reports the US is planning to establish a new maritime protection force in the Red Sea.

    Houthis have been carrying out attacks on commercial ships passing through those waters.

    They say they're targeting ships linked to Israel, in protest against military actions in Gaza.

    In a statement, a prominent Houthi commander said 'any escalation in Gaza is an escalation in the Red Sea, and any calm in Gaza is considered a calm in the Red Sea.'

    He went on to say 'any country or party that comes between us and Palestine, we will confront it'.

    Hussain Al Bukhaiti is a political analyst aligned with the Houthi movement. He says the US getting further involved in the Red Sea could see those waters turned into a battle zone.

    The Houthi attacks led to naval crisis on the Red Sea. Major shipping firms are suspending passage through the Bab al-Mandab strait following a series of attacks by Iran backed Houthi fighters.






    US to announce expanded protection force for Red Sea shipping

    Response to Houthi attacks from Yemen seeks to reassure commercial shipping companies avoiding use of Red Sea


    The US is to announce the launch of an expanded maritime protection force involving Arab states to combat the increasingly frequent Houthi attacks being mounted from Yemen’s ports on commercial shipping in the Red Sea.

    The force, provisionally entitled Operation Prosperity Guardian, is due to be announced by the defence secretary, Lloyd Austin, when he visits the Middle East. Much like the Task Force 153 already operating out of Bahrain, the larger protection force is designed to provide reassurance to commercial shipping companies that Houthi attacks will be seen off, and that the sea remains safe for commercial shipping.

    Five big shipping companies have now stopped their ships using the Red Sea in the wake of attacks mounted by Houthis in protest at Israel’s efforts to eliminate Hamas in Gaza.

    The chair of the Suez Canal Authority, Lt Gen Osama Rabie, also revealed that 55 ships have been redirected around the Cape of Good Hope, a two-week longer journey than that through the Bab al-Mandab Strait south of the Suez canal. More than 20 ships have reported incidents in the past months, many around the narrow Bab al-Mandab that separates the Arabian peninsula from Africa.

    The Hong Kong-based OOCL was the latest to announce a suspension, joining the French CMA CGM, the Danish Maersk, the German Hapag-Lloyd and the Italian-Swiss-owned Mediterranean Shipping Co, the world’s largest shipping company.

    Maersk controls 14.8% of the global shipping containers market, and the decisions, if sustained, are collectively a hammer blow to the Egyptian economy and global transport costs. The Suez canal brought Egypt $9.5bn in 2022-23.

    The US had been seeking to persuade China to join an enlarged maritime protection force being mounted out of Bahrain, but some officials believe it has secured the involvement of Jordan, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, Egypt and Bahrain.

    The first ship to be boarded by the Iranian-backed Houthis, the Galaxy Leader, was captured on 19 November and is still in the Houthi-controlled port of Hodeidah. Since then attacks have been mounting. The USS Carney shot down 14 drones sent towards Israel by the Houthis early on Saturday.


    So far the French, British and US navy have shot down the Houthi-controlled drones and missiles. The Houthis have said they will target all ships heading to Israeli ports, regardless of nationality.

    The US-led Combined Task Force 153 has already operated in the Red Sea, countering Somali piracy as well as also other threats.

    On a visit to Israel, the French foreign minister, Catherine Colonna, said the Houthi attacks “cannot be left unanswered”.

    There had been concern that Saudi Arabia, which is seeking a peace deal with the Houthis to end the eight-year civil war in Yemen, might stay out of the protection force.

    The Iranian defence minister, Mohammad-Reza Ashtiani, said any multinational taskforce would face extraordinary problems trying to protect shipping in the Red Sea. He said: “If the US makes such an irrational move, they will be faced with extraordinary problems. Nobody can make a move in a region where we have predominance.”

    The Yemeni military spokesperson said: “If the US succeeds in establishing an international alliance, it will be the dirtiest alliance in history. The world has not forgotten the shame of remaining silent about previous genocidal crimes.”

    The leader of the Houthi movement, Abdulmalik al-Houthi, has also warned that he will retaliate if red lines are crossed, one of which is direct intervention by the US in Gaza.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-sea-shipping






    Is Palestine/Israel conflict going to widen and draw in other actors, or will it remain contained?

    1) Yemenis have been carrying out attacks and threats on ships and route in Red Sea (see attached visual by
    @detresfa_
    ) and it’s resulted in significant consequences. Four major companies have halted or suspended their operations. These four companies account for 50% of global shipping trade!

    2) US has already shot down drones sent in from Yemen. Now it’s building a coalition to protect the shipping route. And to try to deter any further attacks by Yemenis. So far UK and France are involved and apparently some gulf countries and Egypt also will join this coalition.

    3) We could have a situation where Yemenis retaliate against US directly. Or they even attack oil fields in KSA and UAE as they’re threatening. Things could change rapidly.

    4) US and UK are moving because their interests are at stake. They’re also proving that their backing for genocidal Zionist state is practical. Not just rhetorical.

    5) But can the US afford to get directly involved in another war? Whilst also financing Ukraine war? And keeping an eye on China threat against Taiwan. Ask neocon war mongers like
    @LindseyGrahamSC


    5) Israel is clearly under threat and pressure thanks to the consistent actions of the Yemenis. Other countries that supply oil to or have economic agreements, could have squeezed Zionist state if they wanted to, but have done nothing.

    6) Arab governments can’t get a single truck of aid or food into Gaza during this genocide but are willing to mobilise navy and forces to protect Israel and western interests. Again exposes their selfish priorities.

    First reported by
    @thewarzonewire
    I believe, here https://x.com/thewarzonewire/status/1736085523108856175

    What a surprise.




    And this

    Oil continues to flow to Israel via Turkey despite Erdogan’s vehement speeches on plight of Gaza

    https://www.intellinews.com/oil-cont...f-gaza-299108/

    I assume this is still continuing.


    Smoke and mirrors they wont formally commit but covertly they will give assistance.



    Compare and contrast with the Malaysian approach.





    More comment.

    Obvious point.




    Many non Muslims have misgivings given the recent history.



    And






    Finally.






    EDIT - Very interesting if true

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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    Salaam

    Another update.

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    Historian Rashid Khalidi discusses the pending United Nations Security Council vote on suspending fighting in Gaza to allow the entry of humanitarian aid, and the future of Palestine. The Biden administration reportedly delayed the U.N. vote and pushed other countries to water down the language. This comes as Israel and Hamas leaders have signaled they are open to another truce and hostage exchange. Israel's relentless assault on Gaza has now killed nearly 20,000 Palestinians and displaced over 90% of the Gaza Strip's 2.3 million people.

    "The situation in Gaza is unspeakable," says Khalidi, the Edward Said professor of modern Arab studies at Columbia University. "We are talking about traumatic events that are going to scar generations to come." He also discusses how the Gaza war risks sparking a regional conflict, ways to pressure Israel, and how U.S. leaders are prompting anger from "whole generations" in the Arab world and beyond.






    Again as if we need anymore evidence, the two state solution is dead.



    Blurb

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday that he was “proud” to have prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state.

    Netanyahu made the comments at a press conference at the Defence Ministry in Tel Aviv, where he also criticised the Oslo Accords by describing them as a “fateful mistake” and claimed he was responsible for “putting the brakes” on them.







    One for the history books, despite their feigned shock and surprise routine they always knew.




    The genocide continues.

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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    Salaam

    The Collapse of the Coalition

    Even Clown World’s European satrapies are beginning to refuse to go along with the USA’s desperate attempts to shore up the edges of empire:

    Australia is the latest country to reject a request from the United States to send warships to the Red Sea under the command of the Pentagon’s Operation Prosperity Guardian to protect commercial vessels along the critical maritime trade route from Iran-backed Houthi.

    Defense Minister Richard Marles told Sky News that Australia’s military would not send a “ship or a plane” to the Red Sea but would triple the number of troops for the US-led maritime force. “We need to be really clear around our strategic focus and our strategic focus is our region,” Marles said.

    The Pentagon’s formation of Operation Prosperity Guardian, a new task force to protect shipping from Houthi drone and missile attacks in the Bab Al-Mandeb Strait and the Red Sea, requires increased warship patrols by the US and allies. This will create a security umbrella over commercial vessels to defend from attacks.

    Reuters said about twenty countries have signed up for the Pentagon’s new operation. However, several countries, including Australia, Spain, Italy, and France, have rejected the Pentagon’s request to participate in the operation.
    These coalitions usually aren’t more than diplomatic cover for US troops, but in this case, the involvement of the lesser navies is actually necessary in the hopes of preventing the Houthis from sinking a US warship and thereby revealing the naked state of the US military. These hopes were always futile, however, since it’s pretty obvious that while Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, and China are all being cautious about directly attacking US military assets without the benefit of US camouflage – such as the Rangers and Patriot missile teams in Ukraine, for example – the Houthis appear to be very nearly ready to take on all comers as the Taliban.

    None of this is happening by accident. The unrestricted and asymmetrical nature of the conflicts popping up one by one around the world, combined with China’s apparent quiescence, is very much in keeping with the geopolitical strategy laid out 24 years ago by the Chinese military. The fact that the neoclown strategists are keeping at least one very wary eye on China, despite its seeming lack of involvement in any of these conflicts and close calls from Gaza to Georgia, tends to suggest that the imperial advisers are well aware of this.

    It may be another decade of this death-by-one-thousand-cuts warfare before China bestirs itself to openly challenge the Empire. Or it may only be a few more months before one or another of the various fronts that have been opened collapses. But regardless, it is eminently clear that we are witnessing the fall of an empire that has been in decline since 1973.

    https://voxday.net/2023/12/24/the-co...the-coalition/

    Another take on the changing order



    In 2014, daesh became the first entity since WW1 to successfully demolish any of the Sykes-Picot borders. The world order panicked, and Defeat Daesh coalition was formed to restore Sykes-Picot.

    Fast forward to Gaza 2023, Israelis are openly saying they will force Egypt to take in all Gazan Palestinians, force Jordan to take in all West Bank Palestinians, and will themselves take Tyre and southern Lebanon. They are openly discussing how Tyre was once Israelite and needs to be so again.

    For the first time in more than a century, the Sykes-Picot borders are no longer deemed sacrosanct, precisely because it stands in the way for Greater Israel. This is unlike Israel's earlier occupation of Southern Lebanon and Sinai, which were always seen by Israel as bargaining chips, rather than permanent settlement. Pro-Israel figures in West are now beginning to hint that Westphalian state sovereignty isn't sacrosanct if that state happens to be anywhere near Israel.

    Which means the puppet states in MENA are no longer indispensable, largely because they failed to stamp animus against Israel among their people. Combined with wide adoption of anti-ship missiles and drone tech in the decolonized East, soon a chorus will be built by Western think tanks to re-occupy(if not recolonize) Muslim shores, to "stamp out terrorism and radicalism, destroy piracy, enforce freedom of navigation"
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

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    BBC 'values' in action.

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    Gaza Sunbirds' co-founder Karim Ali is shut down by the BBC newscaster when he spoke about the geno.cide that is taking place in Gaza.

    In the Palestinian para-Athlete group IG account they say: "While the occupation denies a grim reality, our team, living through the chaos, bears witness. Targeted strikes? We expose the destruction of homes, hospitals, and civilian lives. We live it, we know it. We need a permanent ceasefire now!"






    Many comments made but this stands out.

    @arshadalam5213
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    I thought the BBC was suppose to be objective in it's reporting and not biased. She says Israelis will say they are targeting Hamas only but the world can see that's not the truth. By denying or trying to hide the genocide you become complicit. Totally shameful and I have lost all respect for the BBC.
    Standard hypocrisy, BBC has never been impartial. What's new is that they don't even bother making a pretence anymore (as Vox mentioned earlier).

    One silver lining is that the reputational damage they suffer (which tbf they have been suffering for sometime now) will lead to opportunities for new media to expand and replace it as a go to news source.

    Or to put it more eloquently.




    It was always like that - always has been and always will be

    I don't think Muslims can have any expectations though nor expect these organizations to change because they are not "ours" - they are part of a larger matrix of Deep State institutions tied to a particular set of priorities that are intrinsically hostile to the Ishmaelite

    The task is to develop outside of the scope of such institutional networks that at their root wilould never wish to see a truly Sovereign Islamicate

    I don't think one can level the charge of "hypocrisy" as such - the BBC et al are doing exactly what they were designed to do - project soft power and run propaganda operations for American Empire - of course they will have one set of standards for its allies and another for foes

    I don't think trying to "shame" Deep State orgs will work - they aren't run as these organic grassroots twee activist hubs - its a meticulous militarised operation with longstanding ties to the surveillance state
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    The situation is hopeless for the Palestinians. The Zionist West is too powerful. Would it be possible for the Palestinians to leave and go to a friendly state like Lebanon? Or are they to be all killed by the Jews. The only way to defeat the Zionists is by nuclear war and I don't think the Chinese and the Russians and eastern alliances want to die either. How can this be sorted?
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    Most main stream media is owned by Jews.
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    format_quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Most main stream media is owned by Jews.
    Assalamu'alaikum,

    The reason for most lamestream media being owned by Jews is because most people keep their money in banks, and Jews are known to work together and support each other in monopolising markets and taking over executive or other controlling positions in organisations of interest - this, along with "repossession" of property via usury - is likely the reason for the coining of the term "getting jewed out" (now normally referred to in a more "politically correct" fashion as "Israeled out").

    Allah swt and His Messenger declared war on usury for a very good reason.
    It would be a wise decision on the part of the general public to study what is happening to them - and to take measures such as divesting from corporations where the usurious crowd try to muscle their way in - and this will certainly raise cries of "anti-semitism" by the same lot as it did in 12th - 20th century England - but the "it's just business" approach should be mirrored back at their faces.

    Observing this very short video whilst taking in the facts and intelligently processing the patterned slants - (Let he that hath understanding sift through it intelligently) should give you an idea of how it works -



    there is also a black and white 1940s German movie "the Rothschilds" that captures the background reason for the sentiments.



    The fact that this group of dupes are being used as a vessel for the corruption by a very small group of satanic babylonian rite "alchemist"/dodgy coin/tulip mania sorcerers - is quite obvious - since they are being given a "religious"/ mob justification to con the goyim in support of the antichrist vehicle.
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    Re: Israel land grab law 'ends hope of two-state solution'

    Salaam

    Another update

    China Connects the Dots

    It’s fascinating to see the Chinese media is now openly discussing the sort of connections that tend to get one rapidly cancelled as a “conspiracy theorist” and even an “antisemite” in the West:

    “A just cause enjoys abundant support, while an unjust cause finds little support.” No one feels this snippet of wisdom more deeply than the US now. A spokesman for Spain’s defense ministry told AFP on Sunday that the country will not participate in the so-called Operation Prosperity Guardian, a US-led maritime task force in the Red Sea that aims to protect the passage of Israeli-owned and Israel-bound merchant vessels.

    Obviously, the US’ European allies are no longer willing to foot the bill of the US’ selfishness. Operation Prosperity Guardian organized by the US has a strong political overtone, that is, safeguarding Israel’s national interests. Israel’s actions in Gaza have aroused the anger of the international community. More than 20,000 Palestinians have reportedly been killed, more than 50,000 injured, and much of Gaza has been destroyed. Some European countries have begun to diverge from the US on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The objective of the US creating the Red Sea alliance, on the one hand, is testing whether its allies share the same beliefs with it on this issue. On the other hand, Washington is levering multilateral diplomatic actions to cover up its unilateral support of Israel.

    US allies always support the US and share its stance, but that does not mean they will unlimitedly support the frenzied positions taken by the US on all issues, especially when the US position is contrary to their own interests…

    Song Zhongping, a Chinese military expert, believes that no matter it is the Iraq war, the Afghan war, or the current Russia-Ukraine or Palestinian-Israeli conflict, the US’ performance has made it lose its credibility and leadership. US allies see clearly that the US only causes trouble, but it is not willing to bear the consequences. Instead, it lets its allies clean up the mess. The appeal of the US has declined, as the US that is used to being echoed is now being rejected. This is a true manifestation of “A just cause enjoys abundant support, while an unjust cause finds little support.”

    Cracks in Red Sea alliance underline US-Europe division, GLOBAL TIMES, 25 December 2023
    The fact that China is openly connecting the dots for the benefit of the global public is highlighted by the way Clown World’s media is actively attempting to hide the nature of the Yemeni-Israeli conflict and the fact that the Yemenis are only attacking Israeli-owned ships attempting to transit the Red Sea.

    This operation is now coming apart in recriminations because commercial vessel owners in France, Spain, and Italy have accepted that if they negotiate Israel-boycott deals directly with the Houthis, they can continue to operate through the Red Sea. They resent the commercial competition from Russia and China which are operating oil tankers and dry-cargo carriers without hindrance or threat.

    The obviousness of the targeting by the Houthis, and of Houthi deal-making by the Russians and Chinese, are being concealed, however, in the US and UK maritime industry media and the mainstream press.

    In the most recent strike, the Israeli oil tanker Chem Pluto was hit on Saturday, December 23, by a drone about 1,600 kilometres east of the Yemen coast; about 200 kilometres west of the Indian coast. Initial media reporting claimed the vessel was “affiliated” to Israel but emphasized that it was owned by a Japanese entity and managed by a Dutch one… The allies knew at once that the Chem Pluto had been targeted because it was Israeli-owned. However, the Pentagon, the Voice of America, and UK propaganda continue to pretend that the Houthi targeting is not tied to the Israel Defence Forces’ operations in Gaza, and carefully restricted to Israeli and allied targets.

    As with the current economic and military situations, the Western media’s attempts to construct and maintain false narratives, and to limit the influence of alternative medias that do not respect the narrative, is being systematically undermined by Clown World’s inability to influence the Chinese and Russian medias.

    It’s very interesting to see how long it will take US politicians, narrative police, and corporate interests to come to term with the fact that the USA is no longer a monopolar power and that the markets of the West are no longer the most sizable, most advanced, or the most profitable.

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