Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"? (OP)
Horrendous and systematic persecution of bahais in Iran (and everywhere)
Horrendous and systematic persecution of Gulenists in Turkey (and not even because they are considered heretics, but that certainly helps)
Horrendous and systematic persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan and Palestine.
Horrendous abuse of Christians
Horrendous abuse of Jews
genocide against yazidis
sunni-shia conflict
what the heck is wrong with the muslim world? we complain about the abuse of Muslims in Burma, Kashmir, Palestine, Syria (which by the way, is also a place where yezidis and Christians are being butchered) and east Turkestan, the CAR in Africa, etc.
to be a muslim is to stand up for human rights anywhere and everywhere......
why do we only complain about ourselves? we hardly complain for the rights of non muslims, unless we live in the lands of the kuffar and fear lynching or hate crimes, but in the dar al islam, we don't fear, we let loose.....human beings are worthy of being treated with dignity....how would you like it if that was your sister, your daughter, your mother, your son, your brother, your friend, your father, etc.?
we complain about how human rights groups make "misleading reports" about Islamic countries....how is it misleading when you are not allowed to criticize your ruler because he is king or president or prime minister, where heads of state are thieves who hoard billions in wealth on enormous palaces, where corruption is rampant, where journalists are jailed, where insulting a leader IS A CRIME! where torture is rampant, where you are guilty until proven innocent....has anyone ever read the life of our Prophet (PBUH) and his companions? a kharijite came and insulted Umar (RA) in the masjid! they told Umar (RA) to react, but he said, he has a right to say what he wants...! astaghfirullah I am ashamed to be associated with the likes of Palestine, turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, etc.
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@Mustafa16
: ''Landmark research proves that the US-led ‘war on terror’ has killed as many as 2 million people, but this is a fraction of Western responsibility for deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last two decadesLast month, the Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS) released a landmark studyconcluding that the death toll from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million........... http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns...-1990-39149394
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
how many nonmuslims have been killed by Muslims in last 2 decades, i wish to see reality of this allegation, In sha Allah
What this kind of matter has to do with treating non-Muslims and minorities with respect? How many "they" have killed doesn´t justify "us" to mistreat others.
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format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
What this kind of matter has to do with treating non-Muslims and minorities with respect? How many "they" have killed doesn´t justify "us" to mistreat others.
his discussion is not limited to respect or disrespect
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Anyways, we should seek our way out from kind of thinking that the mankind is divided into the two parts: we and them. We should actively looking for what is common between us, not what separate us. Now we all have locked to the two pole thinking: non-Muslims and Muslims, shias and sunnis, Christians and Muslims, minorities and majorities. We all are human beings and time of separation to different clans, groups etc. only keeps us separated and help those whose find some personal benefits from this kind of separation happy and satisfied.
Well, kind of world where all people see themselves as part of "us all" is still far in the future. Unfortunately.
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
Anyways, we should seek our way out from kind of thinking that the mankind is divided into the two parts: we and them. We should actively looking for what is common between us, not what separate us. Now we all have locked to the two pole thinking: non-Muslims and Muslims, shias and sunnis, Christians and Muslims, minorities and majorities. We all are human beings and time of separation to different clans, groups etc. only keeps us separated and help those whose find some personal benefits from this kind of separation happy and satisfied.
Well, kind of world where all people see themselves as part of "us all" is still far in the future. Unfortunately.
Well to be honest, i do think of we and them.
Definition of we?
People who are honest, being Muslim, Christian, Jew, atheist, agnostic, Hindu ..you name it.
Definition of them?
People who are dishonest, being Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist, Agnostic, Hindu..you name it.
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
I think the title should be "why don't people respect the rights of other people".
I'm unsure why religion is brought into it. I am sure if you researched far and wide, most religions have been perpetrators against another religion at some point.
The title makes it sound like Muslims are nothing but a bunch of savages who go round battering people and pinching everything they own and killing everything in sight which is completely untrue.
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
it is said, '' all Muslims aren't terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims'' therefore, Nobody kills a Muslim but Muslim... Cheer up Man...!
do you have any idea what people in the gulen jamaat my family is a part of has had to go through at the hands of dictator Erdogan, all because of stupid lies and false accusations of an unfree media?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
do you have any idea what people in the gulen jamaat my family is a part of has had to go through at the hands of dictator Erdogan, all because of stupid lies and false accusations of an unfree media?
Now you've taken U turn. All your allegations on Muslims are narrowed down to what is happening in turkey against guleten. I don't know what is the internal conflict your country is facing. If your community is being targeted by government unjustly, then it's wrong. I've full sympathy with you and your community but this link says something else... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...132018415.html
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
Now you've taken U turn. All your allegations on Muslims are narrowed down to what is happening in turkey against guleten. I don't know what is the internal conflict your country is facing. If your community is being targeted by government unjustly, then it's wrong. I've full sympathy with you and your community but this link says something else... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...132018415.html
first of all, Aljazeera is a load of baloney and is a mouth piece for sunni extremists......second, it is not just gulenists....bahais, people in Darfur, ahmadis, Syrians, Iraqis, Yazidis, Christians, sunni vs shia, jews, south Asians in gulf states, blacks in gulf states, etc.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
first of all, Aljazeera is a load of baloney and is a mouth piece for sunni extremists......second, it is not just gulenists....bahais, people in Darfur, ahmadis, Syrians, Iraqis, Yazidis, Christians, sunni vs shia, jews, south Asians in gulf states, blacks in gulf states, etc.
who are behind the curtain....? Scroll it a bit....
so Jewish people are trying to take over the world since 1903? first off, the overwhelming consensus of historians is that it is a forgery. second, I find it laughable that a book written by the same people who were committing pograms against the Jewish people, could possibly claim that the Jews were, at the time of their persecution, plotting to overthrow the world governments.....it was simply made up by the Russian elite who were abusing their OWN people (the Russians) by forcing the majority of people into serfdom while the few enjoyed luxury, to justify their oppression. keep in mind the same people who supported that book, opposed the "Zionist lenin"......at the time when communism was on the rise....how convenient....
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@azc
the primary problems with the Islamist that they blame all of their problems on other people, be it jews, Christians, americans, Zionists, etc....and they will shove their beliefs down others throats all the while they themselves do not practice what they preach, nor act morally in general.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
so Jewish people are trying to take over the world since 1903? first off, the overwhelming consensus of historians is that it is a forgery. second, I find it laughable that a book written by the same people who were committing pograms against the Jewish people, could possibly claim that the Jews were, at the time of their persecution, plotting to overthrow the world governments.....it was simply made up by the Russian elite who were abusing their OWN people (the Russians) by forcing the majority of people into serfdom while the few enjoyed luxury, to justify their oppression. keep in mind the same people who supported that book, opposed the "Zionist lenin"......at the time when communism was on the rise....how convenient....
your comments regarding this book are welcomed in in its thread
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
Now you've taken U turn. All your allegations on Muslims are narrowed down to what is happening in turkey against guleten. I don't know what is the internal conflict your country is facing. If your community is being targeted by government unjustly, then it's wrong. I've full sympathy with you and your community but this link says something else... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...132018415.html
also, gulenists don't believe gulen is the Mahdi, I have not once heard a gulenist claim that gulen was the Mahdi.
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