Horrendous and systematic persecution of bahais in Iran (and everywhere)
Horrendous and systematic persecution of Gulenists in Turkey (and not even because they are considered heretics, but that certainly helps)
Horrendous and systematic persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan and Palestine.
Horrendous abuse of Christians
Horrendous abuse of Jews
genocide against yazidis
sunni-shia conflict
what the heck is wrong with the muslim world? we complain about the abuse of Muslims in Burma, Kashmir, Palestine, Syria (which by the way, is also a place where yezidis and Christians are being butchered) and east Turkestan, the CAR in Africa, etc.
to be a muslim is to stand up for human rights anywhere and everywhere......
why do we only complain about ourselves? we hardly complain for the rights of non muslims, unless we live in the lands of the kuffar and fear lynching or hate crimes, but in the dar al islam, we don't fear, we let loose.....human beings are worthy of being treated with dignity....how would you like it if that was your sister, your daughter, your mother, your son, your brother, your friend, your father, etc.?
we complain about how human rights groups make "misleading reports" about Islamic countries....how is it misleading when you are not allowed to criticize your ruler because he is king or president or prime minister, where heads of state are thieves who hoard billions in wealth on enormous palaces, where corruption is rampant, where journalists are jailed, where insulting a leader IS A CRIME! where torture is rampant, where you are guilty until proven innocent....has anyone ever read the life of our Prophet (PBUH) and his companions? a kharijite came and insulted Umar (RA) in the masjid! they told Umar (RA) to react, but he said, he has a right to say what he wants...! astaghfirullah I am ashamed to be associated with the likes of Palestine, turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, etc.
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
Greetings d peace be with you Mustafa16; thanks for starting this thread,
Although the Jews were God's chosen people, they had strict laws regarding how they should treat foreigners living in Israel.
Ezekiel 47
21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.
Leviticus 24
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19
33 " 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Justice seems best served when we seek it for those who are different to us.
In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
"Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?"
The majority of people of this world have some religion and most of the atheists too follow some moral codes. Still here is wars, torturing, murders, abusing, rapes, discrimination, racism etc. Why? I see the basic reason is that people don´t follow the values and rules of their religions or other moral code systems. Muslims* don´t follow them as they too are weak and ignorant and their "human nature" is greed and incapable of empathy. That´s not because they are Muslims but because they are human beings. And same with other religions.
What we can do for this situation? Blame others because they don´t follow their values? No, we have to try our best to follow them by ourself and by this show the good example for others.
* Note: Some do, some are good and god-fearing people of course. Excuse me, I didn´t mean to generalize. And same goes also to others, not only for Muslims.
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
Not specifically Muslims. Why can't people just respect the rights of others?
Most of these injustices you mentioned happen in war-torn countries or nations with an oppressive government. An unjust leader or an unjust war can turn some people into monsters when they forget their basic human compassion - and that's when we see these kind of things happening.
I suppose when a Muslim commits injustices it is particularly sad, because we as an ummah are meant to be enlightened and guided by the teachings of Islam and particularly the firm command to be just, we're meant to be an example for other communities in terms of our morals, character and actions. But this is not the case for everyone.
Islam as a religion is perfect, Muslims are not. At the end of the day, this injustice is a human failing - and if you fail to abide by your religion, you will go astray and fall into those human failings. I think it's sad when anyone is persecuted, whatever their religion may be.
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
format_quote Originally Posted by noraina
Not specifically Muslims. Why can't people just respect the rights of others?
Most of these injustices you mentioned happen in war-torn countries or nations with an oppressive government. An unjust leader or an unjust war can turn some people into monsters when they forget their basic human compassion - and that's when we see these kind of things happening.
I suppose when a Muslim commits injustices it is particularly sad, because we as an ummah are meant to be enlightened and guided by the teachings of Islam and particularly the firm command to be just, we're meant to be an example for other communities in terms of our morals, character and actions. But this is not the case for everyone.
Islam as a religion is perfect, Muslims are not. At the end of the day, this injustice is a human failing - and if you fail to abide by your religion, you will go astray and fall into those human failings. I think it's sad when anyone is persecuted, whatever their religion may be.
I often try to find the root cause of things when i think about them. In case of Muslims and this, every time i come to the root cause being the foreign policy of western countries. Dictators have been placed in those countries because of that, people are being deprived of education, deprived of the knowledge of human civilization and all sort of perspectives. When these simple things are being prevented for somebody to learn, one cannot know if it might be good or bad. They create their kind of rulings based on how little they know. Somebody might know for example of the good sides of communism, but if you are prevented from knowing that communism in real life failed, you will keep on wanting that idea to be realized in society.
This exactly has happened to Muslims. Muslims know very little and understand very little. When the mind is not being nourished with new ideas and things to process, people will have rather a subjective view on everything.
We then arrive to the question of why is it that the foreign policy of western countries want to prevent Muslims in the Middle East to flourish? To that question i have come to a few conclusions.
- When Muslims unite once again, a REAL Islamic Caliphate will arise once again. If this happens, you can imagine from Morocco to Indonesia. Besides that Jihad will be applied on every place where Muslims are being oppressed. When a REAL Islamic Caliphate would arise, equality once again will be applied. The REAL Justice. When this happens, people of other faiths can compare things. To know what you find more delicious you must first taste both food. When they see the justice within Islamic Law, they can compare that with their OWN law. This making people convert to Islam and live within the Islamic Caliphate. This Islamic Caliphate, doesn't need anything from any other country. We have water to fertile ground to temperature to fossil fuels to be self sufficient. Trade would become part of the world that despise western world. For example, there would be trade with south America, as many because of CIA-caused wars have started to distrust US. Russia, China, India, ..large part of Asia and Africa would start trade with the Muslims. Western countries would suddenly become very small. Knowledge would become abundant among the Muslims and people of other faiths that have joined the trade and mutual interest. Pakistan already has the A-bomb which would make the Islamic Caliphate also a nuclear power not to mess with it. Besides that around 1.6 BILLION people being part of this Caliphate.
- Another conclusion that i came to, if such a Islamic Caliphate would arise, Israel would for example no longer exist. Corrupt people in power in those western countries would be killed for their corruption by the people. As the lies no longer work. The mask would be taken off.
- Fiat money (paper money) would stop existing, but gold and silver once again would be used as currency. So the current corrupt and fake monetary system would collapse not being in the benefit for the people that want to control you.
- People no longer would become sheep because of media, but knowledge and wisdom arise among all people. Which is NOT a good thing for the people in power.
- Knowledge was once part of the Islamic Caliphate. If people wanted to learn and gain knowledge they went to Baghdad. US knew this and that is why you see they try to prevent people gaining knowledge or hold of scientists. Look at those scientists back in Nazi Germany. They got a place in US.
From all the religions Islam is being attacked the most. This is sort of a confirmation that Islam holds the truth or the true path that they don't want you to know.
So again, just prevent people to education, then you succeed in somebody to rise and conquer.
But they plan and Allah plans. Allah is the best of planners.
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
so wiki is your source....? Brother will you define terrorism..?
true oppression by the aggressor is making the world view the oppressed as the aggressor, and that is what the US has done with Muslims in general, and that is what Turks have done with Gulenists...
you obviously didnt read the other sources, namely euobserver and shaber3....also, read this... http://hizmetnews.com/ I define terrorism as using terror against innocents for political gain.....that is what the US and Muslims have done to each other, and that is what the Turks have done to Gulenists.
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
so wiki is your source....? Brother will you define terrorism..?
also, are you Turkish, brother?????? well, keep this in mind...if you are....i will show no tribalism in favor of you because you are Turkish...i do not define myself by my Turkishness, rather, i hate it.......and i define myself and others by the actions they take, not where they are from....
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
true oppression by the aggressor is making the world view the oppressed as the aggressor, and that is what the US has done with Muslims in general, and that is what Turks have done with Gulenists...you obviously didnt read the other sources, namely euobserver and shaber3....also, read this...http://hizmetnews.com/ I define terrorism as using terror against innocents for political gain.....that is what the US and Muslims have done to each other, and that is what the Turks have done to Gulenists.
see what's the ratio of crimes against humanity from both sides...?
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
see what's the ratio of crimes against humanity from both sides...?
id say muslims have committed more atrocities, but even if they haven't, an injustice is still an injustice, even if the other side is doing it.....two wrongs dont make a right. we, as muslims, need to look at OUR OWN behavior, especially if we are truly the people of al-haqq. and what did the gulenists, bahais and ahmadis do to turkey, iran, and pakistan respectively to deserve this oppression? what ratio? were talking about religious minorities here, not nation to nation conflict
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Depends on what we call respect, and what it is, and in what given situation.
Allahu alam.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
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format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
brother you left out the right of sunni muslims!
sunni muslims rights should be respected too; shia always killing us in syria, yemen etc etc
true, and with the backing of the ayatollah, in iran. horrible. but sunnis should also distinguish between Shiite militiamen and Shiite civilians who happen to live in the region. both massacres occur, and are human rights abuses, and I worry about the prospect of Saudi arabia going bankrupt, because as crooked as they are, iran will fill the vacuum and massacre sunnis.
Re: Why don't Muslims respect the rights of non Muslims and "heretics"?
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
id say muslims have committed more atrocities, but even if they haven't, an injustice is still an injustice, even if the other side is doing it.....two wrongs dont make a right. we, as muslims, need to look at OUR OWN behavior, especially if we are truly the people of al-haqq. and what did the gulenists, bahais and ahmadis do to turkey, iran, and pakistan respectively to deserve this oppression? what ratio? were talking about religious minorities here, not nation to nation conflict
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