I have this project and i need your opinions and your point of view
so i hope everyone participate.
Q.are u with or against the war in iraq and why for each case?
Q. what is your feeling about being drafted to fight in iraq?
Salam for now
PEACE
I am sure that the Kurds and Shia are glad to be rid of saddam, But I think the west were stupid going there in the first place- the muslims there would obviously rather be killed and tortured by Saddams regime, than to have freedom at the hands of westerners.
same concept , different application , imperialism by the west.
and what is most ironic, is what those muslims are doing. a muslim is a muslim, there is no sunni or shi'a, prophet Mohammed pbuh did not come with two sects, but he came with one religion Islam
Joe98, none of them is good, but as long as they (muslims in Iraq) kill each other (for authority) which is just agenda of the west, then you can't really blame the enemy.
In the West, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
And to be guilty it must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
In 1990 Saddam invaded a Muslim country. The west came to the aid of that Muslim country. Saddam lost the war and signed a cease fire.
He did not follow the terms of the cease fire. He continued to break the cease fire agreement
Then the attacks on 9/11 happened.
Bush was concerned that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But did not have proof “beyond reasonable doubt”. Bush was concerned Saddam would give them to terrorists to make another attack on the US.
Bush decided he would not wait for evidence “beyond reasonable doubt”. Bush felt that if he waited then another attack would happen.
Bush attacked Iraq.
Bush was warned that the Shiia and Sunni would start killing each other but chose to ignore that advice
Iraq can have freedom if it want’s it.But Iraq has never been free and the people do not know how to handle it
The “war” is between Sunni and Shia. The Americans have not taken either side and are caught in the middle.
salam
^ yes i agree, the bad we all see nad the good is that it shows the american utter weakness & faileragainst the mujahdeen even though they are outnumbered and outgunned
the good is that it shows the american utter weakness & faileragainst the mujahdeen even though they are outnumbered and outgunned
Yeah, those mujahid! What a force! Indiscriminate suicide bombing is awesome! Shows real character! Roadside IED's exploding your own countrymen? Great!
Why aren't the mujahid in a proper army? Ohhhhhh, that's right, I remember! They were in an army that was so thoroughly routed that the term "Iraqi Army Salute" has come to mean waving your hands over your head whilst clutching a white flag. Any coward can snipe at a real army from the hedgerow,while it takes a real man to admit defeat and start rebuilding his country.
Remember: the longer your fabled "mujahid" continue their futile "fight", the longer the west will be in Iraq. So go ahead, muj, ruin your country!
Did you ever think that they are NOT being defeated? The Americans could "win" the war on the ground any time they want, but they choose to try and limit civilian casualties, their enemy seems to be doing the opposite and trying to kill as many civilians as they can. This is a war of morals as well as geographical, seems the muslims are losing the moral war at least.
Did you ever think that they are NOT being defeated? The Americans could "win" the war on the ground any time they want, but they choose to try and limit civilian casualties, their enemy seems to be doing the opposite and trying to kill as many civilians as they can. This is a war of morals as well as geographical, seems the muslims are losing the moral war at least.
Those who slaughter innocent civilians in the name of Allah (swt) are doubtfully to be true Muslims.
Yeah, those mujahid! What a force! Indiscriminate suicide bombing is awesome! Shows real character! Roadside IED's exploding your own countrymen? Great!
Why aren't the mujahid in a proper army? Ohhhhhh, that's right, I remember! They were in an army that was so thoroughly routed that the term "Iraqi Army Salute" has come to mean waving your hands over your head whilst clutching a white flag. Any coward can snipe at a real army from the hedgerow,while it takes a real man to admit defeat and start rebuilding his country.
Remember: the longer your fabled "mujahid" continue their futile "fight", the longer the west will be in Iraq. So go ahead, muj, ruin your country!
Salaam
Look at you running your mouth behind a moniter I dare you to say that to a mujahid's face.
Yeah, those mujahid! What a force! Indiscriminate suicide bombing is awesome! Shows real character! Roadside IED's exploding your own countrymen? Great!
Why aren't the mujahid in a proper army? Ohhhhhh, that's right, I remember! They were in an army that was so thoroughly routed that the term "Iraqi Army Salute" has come to mean waving your hands over your head whilst clutching a white flag. Any coward can snipe at a real army from the hedgerow,while it takes a real man to admit defeat and start rebuilding his country.
Remember: the longer your fabled "mujahid" continue their futile "fight", the longer the west will be in Iraq. So go ahead, muj, ruin your country!
Peace, Stop!. what are you doin? carry on running your mouth..ooh, hello, feels good doesn't it? yea, bet it does. OOH, this must be so exciting, Your kinda vexed, aren't you? :thankyou:
"Muslims cannot be defeated by others. We Muslims are not defeated by our enemies, but instead, we are defeated by our own selves."
Look at you running your mouth behind a moniter I dare you to say that to a mujahid's face.
Brother, where those brave mujahids were when Saddam and sons were unleshing terror on their countrymen? raping women at will? gassing kurds? opressing shias?
Are U sure they are mujahids or brainwashed ppls by some cunning clerics for their own interests?
Brother, where those brave mujahids were when Saddam and sons were unleshing terror on their countrymen? raping women at will? gassing kurds? opressing shias?
Are U sure they are mujahids or brainwashed ppls by some cunning clerics for their own interests?
peace.
Salaam
They're only human jeez what do you expect them to save the whole world, And btw go to chechnya you'll find some there and your last comment just seems to be hinting at something I'm I right.
They're only human jeez what do you expect them to save the whole world, And btw go to chechnya you'll find some there and your last comment just seems to be hinting at something I'm I right.
Brother what kind of answer is this? I was only expecting muslim ummah to activate their tear glands when saddam was mercilessly killing iraqis. And I m asking a very genuine question that why those mujahids didnt come into action when iraqi women were being raped at will by pchychopath sons of saddam? Okay is U dont know the answer than ask, or I will do that for u without asking.
Brother, mujahids can fight americans, coz they know very well that their loved ones will be safe in the hands of americans, coz they are something less brutal and more human than Saddam.
But Saddam had a different methodology than americans, he would ruin entire village if some voice would raise from that village, mujahids can sacrifice their own life for greed of paradise, but I doubt whether they are ready to sacrifice their family and kids too. AND THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
BTW I m not on the side of Americans nor I support the war. But still truth is truth and truth is that Americans are lesser evil than Saddam, thats why he didnt ever face mujahideen resistance. its simple.
And ya, my last comment was condemning those cunning clerics who manipulate teachings of holy quran and sunnah to brainwash innocent youth to commit suicide and genocide in one attempt, its that clear???
I have this project and i need your opinions and your point of view
so i hope everyone participate.
Q.are u with or against the war in iraq and why for each case?
Q. what is your feeling about being drafted to fight in iraq?
Salam for now
PEACE
I think it's an embarrassment considering the justifications I've heard so far. I understand that the Shia felt oppressed under Hussein and were not allowed to celebrate Ashurah... but this issue belonged to the scholars and should have been resolved by them, not allowed to spill out onto the streets and affect the rest of the people. Even speaking these issues is difficult for me, because they deserve more dignity than public rantings. Thus far, I've taken into account statements from both Bush and Zarqawi, some of which have me completely mystified.
Zarqawi has stated that the Shia are "the Christian seed, planted by the Jews in the soil of Amgush" and yet the festival of Ashurah itself, violates Deuteronical Laws (Deuteronomy 14:1 ~ the cutting of the flesh on account of the dead), not to mention a full assortment of others. I am still searching through the records to see where there may be support for Zarqawi's claim, because people don't just come up with these bold statements, but I haven't found anything, thus far, that suggests the Shia are "Christianized". I do understand the rest of his complaints.
I disagee with Bush, because I question his intentions, have caught him in several deceptions and do not like a "free" government that interferes with my mail (eg: any statement addressed to the American people). I still have yet to obtain a complete translation of bin Laden's offering of a truce and the recent, highly edited, statements from Jill Carroll are equally as annoying. I have to ask myself what it is they are hiding, when I see these blatant practices in action.
Basically, and I don't know if this will help your cause any, I'm pissed at the Judeans for using ancestral claims to capture Palestine. Especially considering that the modern-day Judeans only recognize the tribes of Benjamin and Judah. They have written the other ten tribes off as lost, were at war with those ten other tribes in the 5th century BC and have never held a valid claim to the land, Israel... only the land that was Judea. Because the U.S. helped in this, bin Laden interpreted this as a Betrayal by both parties, hence 9-11. However, because the Judeans came out from the land that is now Iraq, that makes them family... and we all have the one in every family that causes problems. Obviously, they don't seem to value ideals like... respect.
Because of the above paragraph, I find that the war in Iraq is adding insult to injury. I am very disappointed with the other Arab countries who have turned a blind eye to this type of tresspass. If there was a dispute concerning interpretation of the Quran, it should have been actively pursued by the scholars if for any other reason, a war between the sons of Mohammed (PBUH) dishonors him and would break his heart. As far as I'm concerned, there is no excuse for this division to have compromised the lands, especially considering the historical record of the "Divide and Conquer" strategy.
In a nutshell, I'd recommend that the U.S. leave Iraq to allow the scholars to address these arguments such as whether Ashurah is legal, Christian or not... later... in private with more dignity. I never want to see this type of behavior again. This will make the third time... enough already!
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..ooh, hello, feels good doesn't it? yea, bet it does. OOH, this must be so exciting, Your kinda vexed, aren't you?
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