Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

format_quote Originally Posted by searchingsoul

I think you see the bigger picture.

exactly I believe this is a religous war. We are drawing to the end.

format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola

exactly I believe this is a religous war. We are drawing to the end.

The end of what? The end of the world?

format_quote Originally Posted by searchingsoul

The end of what? The end of the world?

yes..I believe so, we are heading for nuclear war.

Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12.

I'm going to throw out a question to anyone who immigrated to a western country, and hates it. Did you expect to hate the western society before you moved to it?

format_quote Originally Posted by searchingsoul

I'm going to throw out a question to anyone who immigrated to a western country, and hates it. Did you expect to hate the western society before you moved to it?

I was a baby had to move here cause the muslims couldn't get along.

format_quote Originally Posted by j4763

Why do some Muslims still live in western societies when they oppose western governments and western ways of life?

I can’t understand why some who live in Britain/USA preach so much hatred for the countries they reside in.
I know some who preach this hatred are merely immature and misguide Muslims (imo) and many still to young to leave home but many of these still continue to live in western lands well after they become adult.

So if your living in a Western country and hate there ways what is your reason for staying and not leaving for a Muslim country?

I am not saying all Muslims hate living in the west

i haven't read the entire thread, but just wanted to say that no matter how much ppl in the west and usa hate the governments or way of life, i am sure deep inside they are greatful for the opportunities in life that their country has given to them (e.g. quality education, welfare state etc) .

i live in the west and i like it here my only problem is with some people...they can be very racist and prejudiced.I don't intend to leave the uk for good and saudiarabia is the last place i would consider making hijrah to. Those of us who were born and raised in the west have an obligation to contribute to our societies..hijrah isnt a must unless you're being persecuted and you're not allowed to practise your deen...ive come across muslims who say hijrah is a must we have to live in muslim countries so on and so forth but if that were the case then what about the chinese muslims who are more than 20 million? they dont have an alternative. no muslim country would be able to absorb immigration of that scale.They can only better their communities and empower themselves and teach islam by words and by action to the majority nonmuslim population and live in peace and harmony with them and not be affected by the negative aspects of others cultures.

Also even though i like living here since theres more opportunity..i don't like everything about british culture like the boozing ...the scantily clad women..also the high crime rate and the rising drug addiction problems..etc..i pray a sincere politician comes to power and sorts this out...i dont expect anything to be done about alcohol its their culture and their lives revolve around pubs...so what would i as a muslim female do? be more cautious and stay at home when the drunks roam the streets ..peaceout all

format_quote Originally Posted by akulion

East or West - Allah is the best!!

Very cute!

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

Well because by and large the West is uninterested in changing Muslim countries. They do not care what happens in Muslim countries except under extreme provocation - attacks like 9-11 for instance. And because the West knows something about some things. About how to create rich, free and prosperous societies where human rights are, by and large, respected. That is worth teaching other people. You don't think that there is anything in the West Muslims need to learn?

Oh i'm really tempted to turn this into another debate about the legitemacy of the war in iraq... but I think i will have to refrain!... and it is relevant, trust me.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

Or maybe certain Western dudes think Islam is the new Communism.

Little do they know that we hate Commies as much as them. A doctor earning the same amount as a janitor? C'mon man! You know how many Muslim doctors there are?

Lol...

That wasn't what i was going to say but BARAK-ALLAHU FEEKUM!

Greetings,

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:
...
There are two basic conditions which must be met before staying in kaafir countries:

The first condition is: that the person must be secure in his religious commitment, so that he has enough knowledge, faith and will power to ensure that he will adhere firmly to his religion and beware of deviating or going astray, and that he has an attitude of enmity and hatred of the kaafirs and will not befriend them and love them, for befriending them and loving them are things that contradicts faith.

How many people here fulfil that condition?

Peace

I have an attitude and emnity to their way of life and government, but I don't hate random kaafirs for no reason.
And we shouldn't be here unless we are here for da'wah reasons. Which is why i'm leaving soon insha-Allah.
-Peace