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Well sisterz n brotherz I have a question and in no way am I trying to start an argument or anythg of the sort, This may be personal and private to some, but for those who wish to answer please know that I am a revert myself and i am curious about these things and finding out others answers helps me to make decisions also.
I want to know what stops you from living inside a Muslim country?
This question is directed to all muslims living outside a muslim country whether your a revert or not....and I would like to know if anyone is planning on living in a muslim country in the future? , InshaAllah.
Puls dis is one assignment I hv to do ...
Much appreciated.
Remember... Allah, subhana watala, sees everything we do!
as far as i can see i'm better off here, the khutbahs are not censored and the gvt doesnt pretend to be muslim.
Its tough everywhere ,
i would make hijra to an islamic country governing according to sharia, and the moment there isnt one and Allahu alam
Very sad, but very true. I would love to live in Makkah or Madinah, for obvious reasons, but, among other things, I hate the Saudi government with a passion. Plus, I don't have a passport, so I can't really travel outside of the States. Salaam.
I would love to live in a muslim country but my surroundings or environment is driven by a American society. I will admit 8 years ago I visited several muslim countries and it was womderful and free. [
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we used to liv in kuwait....but der we can only study upto year 12 no more...but i cudnt go to ma own country cuz i only knew englishn no other language
to all
i recently started questionnin myself y i live in a place like england, but now iv found da anser. To be honest as far as i am aware there seems to be no perfect muslim country, ok 4get about perfect derz no single muslim country in the world that seems to be abiding by the islamic shariah law. so when one questions me y i live in a non-muslim country id ask them to define a msulim country, no one would be able to point out a muslim country that fits in2 da description of an ideal muslim country.
Living in Britain 2 me seems far better than living in other so called msulim countries. here i am allowed to educate myself and yet hold on2 my religous values. Everywhere i seem 2 go non-muslims semm 2 greet me and show respect 2 my religion. even in skul im allowed 2 wear as i wish (islamic dress code) as long as it fits the schools colour code.
By living here not only do i benefit from the opportunities available but also benefit 4rm teachin odaz about islam. Living in a non-muslim country we can carry out intense dawah den anywhere else. If we show and try to at least implement the example of the Prophet Muhammed (peace n blessins be upon him) then inshaAllah non-muslims will be drawn at the beauty of our religion. We cant all be selfish and go and live in a country full of Muslims and let the whole world suffer and end up in hell, we must be the onez who go out and tell them about this beautiful deen, islam.
Even the Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessins be upon him) started off his duty in a country full of non-believers and yet he remained there and taught them islam, it was later on that he moved into madinah. but then again he returned back 2 makkah n implemented islam der successfully. inshaAllah if we can implement islam in2 da people first then slowly we can implement the shariah law (although this is going to take years).
So 2 wrap it up the reason i live in a non-muslim country is becoz of its many benefits
Most of us live in non-Muslim countries, it’s not our choice. Lets see what Islam says about it.
Migrating from the land of non-believers is obligatory on every Muslim if he or she can do so, Allah (SWT) said in the Qur’an
“Verily! As for those whom the angels take (in death) while wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them); ‘In what (condition) were you?’ They reply; ‘We were weak and oppressed on earth.’ They (angels) say: ‘Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?’ Such men will find their abode in Hell – what an evil destination! Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way.” [4:97-98]
So Allah (SWT) does not excuse anyone to stay and live in the land of non-believers except the weak ones who are not capable of migrating from the land of non-believers, and also the ones who are staying for Da’awa (preaching Islam) purposes.
Travelling to the land of non-believers is forbidden except for necessity such as seeking knowledge in subjects which can only be taught in their countries. So, it is permitted to travel to their land for these purposes, but as soon as the purpose is over, the person must leave their land. Also one can only travel to the non-believers country if he or she can practice his or her Islamic duties with pride. Also it is permitted and even obligatory sometimes to travel to their land for Da’awa (preaching Islam) purposes.
what makes you think muslims hate the west????????
Being a muslim and coming from the west
As we all know today many muslims live in western sociaty and many westerners are embracing islam. In fact islam is the fastest growing relgion in the west and in the world especially in america and the united kingdom and why because they are finding truth a way of life they have been fed alot of lies about islam by the media and preachers and priests i am not saying all if islam is spread by the sword then why are so many coming to islam they go in search of the truth and find it in islam
The religion of ONE GOD WITHOUT PARTNERS .
these are the statistics .
Christianity increased 47%
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%
Islam Growing in America, U.S. Military www.sultan.org/#int http://212.37.222.34/islam/embracingstorieseng.htm www.islamfortoday.com/muslimstoday.html http://www.islamfortoday.com/america10.htm
read here about muslims serving in the military for america
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CAMP PENDLETON -- When people ask him about the crescent moon pinned on the left collar of his cammies, Abuhena Saif-ul-Islam tells them he's an astronaut. Then he laughs.
It is the laugh of someone who is making history. Confident, happy and excited.
Lt. Saif-ul-Islam is the first Muslim chaplain assigned to the Marine Corps. Technically, he is a Navy chaplain (the Navy supplies chaplains for the Marines). He was commissioned in July and reported to his first assignment in September at the South Mesa Chapel at Camp Pendleton, north of "It feels good," said Saif-ul-Islam, flashing another smile that shines like the insignia on his collar, a slice of moon that is an emblem of Islam. But the gravity of the appointment isn't lost on him.
"History will judge me as the first one in the Marines," he admitted. But that's OK, because the way he sees it, there is a higher judge. "It's all God's call and God's will. We are God's ambassadors."
His arrival reflects the increasingly pluralistic landscape of America and its military.
The Army was the first to add Muslim chaplains, beginning in 1993. It now has six. Saif-ul-Islam was the Navy's second Muslim chaplain. The Air Force has none, though a spokesman mentioned that some are in the training process.
Islam, meanwhile, is one of the fastest-growing religions in the country. Nationally, Muslim leaders put the Islamic population at about 6 million (compared with about 2 million in the early 1970s). Roughly 4,000 Muslims are in the armed forces.
So far, the chaplain's presence is so new that word has not quite spread at Camp Pendleton. He's identified about 15 to 20 Muslim Marines (all men), "but I'm expecting more. ... It's just a matter of time."
A choir room is being renovated into a makeshift mosque. He holds Islamic services there midday Fridays, the holiest day of the Muslim week. He also offers an Islamic studies class elsewhere on the base on Sundays.
At one recent Friday service, only four other people attended -- two Marines and two Muslims from the community. But their enthusiasm was undaunted.
"It's a great blessing from God himself," said Lance Cpl. Yousuf Enayat. Enayat is hoping that the new chaplain will help show that Muslims are just like everybody else. "The world pretty much has got the wrong idea about Muslims."
Shakir Fardan, assistant imam, or spiritual leader, at a San Diego mosque, has volunteered his services to the local military for several years. He attended the Friday service to show his support. He said the arrival of Saif-ul-Islam is a recognition of the growing influence of this faith.
"It's going to be a tremendous help having someone that is an official representative of the Marine Corps who is a Muslim chaplain here on base," Fardan said.
Interreligious duties
Like other military chaplains, however, Saif-ul-Islam will be, in many respects, an interreligious representative. The tradition is for interfaith cooperation, tolerance and acceptance.
He will, for example, offer premarital training, classes on coping with stress, and one-on-one counseling to Marines, regardless of religious background. He also will offer prayers at nondenominational events.
That suits the new chaplain just fine. He opens his Koran and reads passages from it about unity. "We believe we are all from one family," he said.
He hopes to be a resource for other chaplains who are serving Muslim troops elsewhere. Already, he has had e-mail inquiries from as far away as Japan.
The 38-year-old Saif-ul-Islam, slightly built and soft-spoken, was born and raised in Bangladesh, where he got his bachelor's and master's degrees in finance.
He came to the United States in 1989 to continue his education. After getting his MBA in 1991, he decided he wanted to be a Navy officer. However, he wasn't yet a U.S. citizen, so he enlisted instead as a sailor.
He was stationed at the Pentagon as a clerk. While he was there, he got his citizenship -- and some gentle nudging to become a chaplain. Already devout in his faith, he attended an Islamic institute in Virginia to become an imam, and got his chaplaincy training in Newport, R.I.
His wife, Kaniz Fatema, was on hand for his commissioning last summer. Educated as a physician in Bangladesh, she is in the process of taking exams to qualify to practice medicine. They are expecting their first child next year.
Two longtime military officers at Camp Pendleton say they are excited by Saiful-Islam's arrival.
Marine Lt. Col. Steve Warner, commanding officer of the area where Saif-ul-Islam is assigned, is a Presbyterian who describes himself as "pro-religion." He says he is looking forward himself to learning more about Islam, as well as being able to serve the needs of any troops who are Muslim. "They're all my Marines," Warner said.
Navy Commander Dudley Johnson, a United Methodist chaplain who is in charge of the South Mesa Chapel, sees the addition as part of the "maturing consciousness" about religious freedom.
After 18 years, Johnson said he's done just about everything that a person in his job could do, including being out to sea on more than two dozen ships.
But getting to shepherd the first Muslim chaplain assigned to the Marines "was a professional opportunity that I was honored to be a part of."
when ordinary citizens of western countries hear muslims say we hate america they take it as a literal meaning and take it personaly don't,
because what is actually being impied is that we dislike the goverments and thier policys, most muslims living in the western sociaty are law abiding citizens who g to work pay taxes
When a soldier is killed in either iraq or afghanistan there is a great human out cry i feel very sorry for those soldiers who actually don't want to be there at all:
but they know full well when the enlist in to the forces i.e army navy or air force they take a pledge of alligiance to stating that they will defend there country and its people , knowing that they might lose thier lives in the process, but the afgnaini and iraqi people are not there citizens are they
Now on the other hand
When a mortar bomb or the firing of bullets are used rainned on the people, bombs dropped on villages killing innocent children women and old people,who have not take up arms against anyone but this is not so much recognized as a solidier being killed are thier lives any less important are thier lives worth less(because they are muslim and are from a different background).
iraq
The brutal treatment by both the usa and uk military servicemen and women upon prisoners of war and you accuse muslims for being terrorists..but to terrorize a prisoner is acceptable (double standards) one law for one and another law for the other because one think he is more superior than the other.(where is the human rights here just humiliation).
when a grenade is thrown and bullets are fired upon innocent people who is to blame these people was it thier fault did they deserve it because maybe some army personal got blown up,
know they are innocent like you and me , who deserve some respect and not victimized( double standards) because one is thinking more superior than they other because they are thought less of...mothers crying every where in the us because her son or daughter has been killed and mothers in afghanistan and iraq because her children
maybe her husband has been killed what the differance non in my eyes
muslims women in iraq being raped but this is mostly being kept hush hush i have added links from non muslim websites for you to read if you care to
but if this was an american or british service woan it would not be kept hush hush but publicized across the media just to show how bad and disgrcefull muslims act
(again double standereds)
in fact most muslims don't hate the west or america or americans or the british.
but as i said before we hate the goverments with there legistations that it's ok to invade another country stake your claim there.
i doubt very much if mr bush blair or ariel sharron would stand on the front line and have bullets fired at them,
no they send the innocent servicemen and women to do thier dirty work for them.
they say its to secure the freedom of these people well for me its rubbish and they are talking alot of garbage.
Iraq is rich in oil and they know it afghanistan is in the way becaue there is a natural gas line on the other side of the border and they need to run the pipe line threw it and also they are rich in lapse lazuli sanctions, sanctions,sanctions, yet they complain about the drugs that is supposedley have come out of afghanistan but alot come out of columbia also do you see them invading there no and u wont
Why do muslims go to live in the west mostly to have a better life to spread the true word of islam ,doctors nurses dentists and teachers
just like somone from the west going to the east to work to try and make a better future for there familys and kids.
Muslims are not perfect and neither are you only ALmight Allah is perfect..
we are all full of faults don't judge all the muslim nation by a few bad muslims .
like muslims dont judge all people the same there is good and bad every where no matter who and where they are from colour race or religion,
live in peace and let us do the same this world does not belong to us it belongs to Allah(God)
lets stop destroying what he gave us to protect this very beautiful planet of ours we are here for such a short time here
so please lets have peace
muslims christians jews no matter what religion you are be happy smile live in peace and if you dont understand islam ask us we wont mind because media and alot of people explaine it differentley because actually islam is a very peacefull religion islam means submission and salaam means peace
Last edited by sheerheart1; 04-12-2006 at 08:19 PM.
Why do some Muslims still live in western societies when they oppose western governments and western ways of life?
I can’t understand why some who live in Britain/USA preach so much hatred for the countries they reside in.
I know some who preach this hatred are merely immature and misguide Muslims (imo) and many still to young to leave home but many of these still continue to live in western lands well after they become adult.
So if your living in a Western country and hate there ways what is your reason for staying and not leaving for a Muslim country?
I am not saying all Muslims hate living in the west
Last edited by j4763; 05-09-2006 at 04:09 PM.
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