Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

format_quote Originally Posted by marge1

OK-fisrt you do stuff which makes other countries poor, then you pity em and to make itlook like ur not all bad you donate £1 back to em thinking thye should appreciate it even though they are in the poor situation because of you in the first place...? sorry doesn't make sense!

Respec sis!

format_quote Originally Posted by j4763

Well i agree that its wrong that we use other countries for cheap labour. Were putting our own people out of jobs. But in saying that were creating jobs for people around the world. £1 an hour mite be pittance to us but mean a lot to someone whose currency is very weak. A pound mite feed them for a day?

No offence but u sound real greedy. The west are using the poorer countries for cheap labour. For example when they bought all the cotton from Pakistan and India, then they ruined their hands so they couldn't do any more work. And as for the cotton they manufactured it in London and sold it back for really high prices! Do u call that fair??!!!:rant:

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

I don't agree with what I call 'Whiners' either. The kind that are like 'oh, the West is so evil, everything it does is evil, EVERYTHING!... now let me go get my giro'

I live in the UK, and think some aspects of British life are bad for Muslims, but on the other hand, we are still allowed to practice our religion, women are allowed to cover their hair in public places if they wish, we are allowed to hold Islamic weddings, Sharia-compliant bank accounts.... The law is such that we are allowed to do anything provided it's not illegal - I mean, I could stand on my own table and start tap-dancing, but I won't get arrested unless I hit someone in the process.

True, the country is not governed by Sharia law. In that case, if one truly wishes to be governed by Sharia law, one must leave this country.

I don't think it's right to completely declare every single aspect of the West some sort of Islamic biohazard though. There are bad elements that Muslims should avoid, yes, but not every single element hinders our way of life.

Alhamdulilah... You're fast becoming my favourite poster here akhi.

Remember, wisdom is the lost property of the true believer...

I think whereas u live u have to weigh the good n bad aspect of that country, no country is without problems in todays world whether a muslim conutry or a non muslim country i admit some palces are worse than others. I was born in Uk, however I have spent some of my childhood in Pakistan. The good thing in Uk is if you work hard u can live a decent life as there isnt so much corruption here. Im sorry to say this i found that many pakistani are very nosy n with a naive mentality, even though itsa muslim conutry woman over there suffer more I personally feel that, n ppl give more importance to culture rather than religion. but here I realised that we should give more to religion rather culture, I saw some nice muslim sisters in universities, n that did change me ALLHUMDOLILAh, I am more aware of making an effort to be agud muslim than i was in pakistan for some reason. Im not all pakistani are like that, but in pakisatn if youve got contacts then its easier to live plus its way too hot over there.

here in uk if u lived in mixed community that its ok, otherwise it can sometimes feel awkward to go out and about, n MASHALLAh iv seen more practissing muslims here than I did in pakistan, ofcourse iam concerned with the current situation muslims are facing living in non muslim conutry but I pray INSAHALLAH things will get better here, ameen.

ALLAHAFIZ.

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Clinton was just as evil.

format_quote Originally Posted by minaz

No he wasn't

Oooh! I like this game... um - yes he was...

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

I don't agree with what I call 'Whiners' either. The kind that are like 'oh, the West is so evil, everything it does is evil, EVERYTHING!... now let me go get my giro'

I live in the UK, and think some aspects of British life are bad for Muslims, but on the other hand, we are still allowed to practice our religion, women are allowed to cover their hair in public places if they wish, we are allowed to hold Islamic weddings, Sharia-compliant bank accounts.... The law is such that we are allowed to do anything provided it's not illegal - I mean, I could stand on my own table and start tap-dancing, but I won't get arrested unless I hit someone in the process.

True, the country is not governed by Sharia law. In that case, if one truly wishes to be governed by Sharia law, one must leave this country.

I don't think it's right to completely declare every single aspect of the West some sort of Islamic biohazard though. There are bad elements that Muslims should avoid, yes, but not every single element hinders our way of life.

Salam
How can you say that we are free to practise our religion? We are not allowed to support the brothers and sisters in Palestine or Iraq, whether financially or even verbally, because we will be seen as supporting terrorism. We are not allowed to make du'a for the mujahideen because it comes under inciting religious hatred and incitement to murder. Where are these so-called shari'a compliant banks you speak of? If you mean the Islamic Bank of Britain then forget about it. They pay interest, they just change the name to 'income from halal sources'. How do i know this? because i had an account with them. Proper Islamic marriages are not recognised in this country, you have to do a civil marriage and bind yourself into their kufr terms.
I am not a sponge and i do not support those who take off the government when they don't need it, and then stab the government in the back about its backward policies, so I can see what you mean there.
If you like it here, then by all means stay. Not me though, i'm going as soon as i can inshallah.
Wassalam

format_quote Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Salam
How can you say that we are free to practise our religion?

It's quite easy. We ARE free to practise our religion. It makes saying it much easier.

COuld you list which of the five pillars and other fards are being denied to you?

format_quote Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Salam
We are not allowed to support the brothers and sisters in Palestine or Iraq, whether financially or even verbally, because we will be seen as supporting terrorism.

Ahhh - yes - they stop you doing all of that don't they. Have they been painting the room you're in? I'd advise opening the window.

format_quote Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Salam
We are not allowed to make du'a for the mujahideen because it comes under inciting religious hatred and incitement to murder.

You have to hand it to them du'a police though... their du'a detection methods are clearly very sophisticated (i like the filter they employ to let those sort-of-ok du'a through, but the moment we petition God to help the Afghans, BAM!!! The filter blocks the du'a, sends a copy via email to New Scotland Yard and before you know it, the poor widdle paki is in leg-irons. Phhh - the 21st century...)

format_quote Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Salam
Where are these so-called shari'a compliant banks you speak of? If you mean the Islamic Bank of Britain then forget about it. They pay interest, they just change the name to 'income from halal sources'. How do i know this? because i had an account with them.

Astaghfirullah!!! Haram haram! Riba!!!! Yuuuukkk - <points> you ate dead brother's flesh!!! Yuck!!!!!!! Haha! How did you discover this treachery? You took out an account with them. (clearly that is a fair substitution for the years of Islamic financial training that most shariah bankers go through) Wowee - you're hot to trot! Watch out Yusef Quaradawi! Get yourself a Barclaycard and on that logic you will no doubt understand the intricacies of the Exchange rate mechanism, the finer points of monetarism and the inner working of the Treasury.

format_quote Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Salam
Proper Islamic marriages are not recognised in this country, you have to do a civil marriage and bind yourself into their kufr terms.

AHhh... so let me get this straight. You ARE allowed to get married under Shariah law (which is not exactly stopping you practising Islam is it?!) BUt, oh the devils! They make you use THEIR terms in order to register the marriage with THEM. How dare they!

format_quote Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Salam
I am not a sponge and i do not support those who take off the government when they don't need it, and then stab the government in the back about its backward policies, so I can see what you mean there.

So is it ok to sponge as long as you don't stab them in the back?

format_quote Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Salam
If you like it here, then by all means stay. Not me though, i'm going as soon as i can inshallah.
Wassalam

Thanks for your permission.

The sooner the better Insh'Allah.

format_quote Originally Posted by j4763

Governments aside. Why do many choose to stay in western cultures if they don’t like our ways of life (drinking, not being covered up…etc).

It seems that you either have Muslims who are happy to live within a culture like the west or Muslims who aren’t but only “use” our education systems and then want to bugger off.

Do Muslims countries have a poor education/schooling system for both male and females?

No sound-minded Muslim would be happy to live among decadance. We shouldn't even be here unless it's for da'wah purposes. I am here against my free will. I will move ASAP to the most decent place I am able to insha-Allah. Half of my family are planning to leave within the next two years, and the other half will follow as soon as they have finished their degree insha-Allah.

format_quote Originally Posted by minaz

No he wasn't

They're all the same akhee, he was just smarter at hiding it.

I speak about it freely, and no one has dobbed me into the MI-5 yet. But Allah knows the future.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

Not so. It depends upon how you're using it. If you're saying, 'okay folks, forget everything you may have heard about in the movies, I'll explain to you exactly what Jihad means', you're not going to get into trouble.

Exactly right. If you let a non-Muslim go away without challenging that misconception then you are failing both him and yourself.

format_quote Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

I speak about it freely, and no one has dobbed me into the MI-5 yet. But Allah knows the future.

Salaam

I assume the people you speak to about jihad are muslims.

Obviously. But i say it in public, eg school.

format_quote Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

No sound-minded Muslim would be happy to live among decadance. We shouldn't even be here unless it's for da'wah purposes. I am here against my free will. I will move ASAP to the most decent place I am able to insha-Allah. Half of my family are planning to leave within the next two years, and the other half will follow as soon as they have finished their degree insha-Allah.

Hey out of curiosity, which country are u moving to?

I wish. Well, i hope.