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    Monday, May 15, 2006
    Palestine is ‘property of Islam’: Qaradawi

    HAMAS would be toppled quickly if it gave concessions to Israel “because nobody has the right to give up even a grain of sand that belongs to Palestine,” prominent Islamic scholar Dr Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi said in his sermon yesterday. However, he added that the Arabs and Muslims could have a truce with Israel.

    Speaking on the fatwas (edicts) drawn up by the two-day Muslim Scholars Gathering for the Support of Palestine held at the Ritz Doha, Qaradawi called upon Muslims around the world to give Zakat and alms to the besieged Palestinians.

    “The Palestinian teachers who have not been paid for months deserve to receive Zakat,” Qaradawi said, adding that Muslims should also donate amounts accruing from bank interest to the Palestinians.

    He called upon the Arab and Muslim peoples to put pressure on their governments to refuse the orders of the US. “We are not slaves to the Americans, we would like our rulers to say no to America,” he said.

    The scholar also stressed that Palestine is a “property of Islam” and not owned by a specific person. “If the present generation retreated, the coming generations will still have the right to liberate Palestine,” he said while stressing that if it were not for the political borders, millions of young people would flood into Palestine for jihad.

    “A Qatari youth told me that he and 30 others plan to leave for Palestine for jihad,” Qaradawi said.

    Regarding the banks blocking aid transfers to the Palestinian Authority, Qaradawi said such banks should be confronted and boycotted. “People should go to these banks and tell their officials that they will withdraw their deposits.”

    He also exhorted Palestinians to stop internal fighting. “Palestinians’ blood should be saved for the fight against Israel and fighting among Palestinians should be prohibited,” he said while calling upon Muslims around the world to help them in their ordeal.

    In the sermon at the Omar Ibn al-Khattab mosque in Khalifa city, al-Qaradawi said Islam has successfully overcome hard times, “Muslims have ended the presence of the Crusaders who unleashed a bloodbath when they invaded Jerusalem.”

    Muslims also achieved a dual victory against the invading Tatars, “one a military victory and other a moral one when they embraced Islam”, he said, stressing that this was the first time in history that the invaders had embraced the religion of the invaded nation.

    Regarding what he labelled as “Zionist colonisation”, Qaradawi pointed out that relations between Muslims and Jews had been good till the appearance of Zionism. Jews had lived among Muslims for centuries and been treated better than anywhere else. But they turned against Arabs and Muslims with the advent of Zionism and wanted to colonise Palestine as settlers.

    “The Jews mistakenly claim that Allah has given them Palestine as their homeland, which is untrue. Allah has never ordained that people should be deported from their homes to be replaced by strangers,” Qaradawi said.

    He said Islam will prevail because “the darkest hour is that which comes before the dawn.”

    Source: http://www.islamicawakening.com/view...p?newsID=7836&
    Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    Palestine is the property of the rightful owners (whoever they may be).

    Palestine is not the property of Islam.

    Islam is a religion and cannot own land.

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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Shukria
    He said Islam will prevail because “the darkest hour is that which comes before the dawn.”

    This quote is wrong.

    The coldest part of any 24 hours is just before the dawn. This is because the sun has been off the earth for the maximum amount of time.

    There is no "darkest" part of the night. From sunset to sunrise the amount of darkness remains the same adjusted only by moonlight or street lighting.

    The quote is wrong and therefore Islam cannnot prevaile
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    Israel (pre 1967) belongs to Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs.

    Palestine (west Bank & gaza) belongs to Palestinian Arabs, Palestinian Armenians, Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Samaritans and Palestinian Greeks.

    Jerusalem belongs to both Israelis and Palestinians.
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    Moses said unto his people (the Israelites): "Remember the good deeds that Allah has done for you, who appointed and gave you prophets and rulers, something he has not given to any other nation in the world; and now, my people (the Israelites), enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you. Do not turn back because otherwise you might be doomed and come to ruin." Surah 5:20-21

    Then we let the people (Israel), who were despised, inherit the Eastern and western parts of the land which we had blessed. And the fair word of the Lord was fulfilled for the children of Israel because of their endurance. Surah 7:137

    Then we said to the children of Israel: "Dwell in the land, and when the promise of the hereafter will be fulfilled, we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations." Surah 17:104


    what do these scriptures mean?
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    Israel (pre 1967) belongs to Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs.

    Palestine (west Bank & gaza) belongs to Palestinian Arabs, Palestinian Armenians, Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Samaritans and Palestinian Greeks.

    Jerusalem belongs to both Israelis and Palestinians.
    There is no difference between Palestine on one side of the Green line and Palestine on the other. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It was wrong in 1948, it was wrong in 1967, it is wrong today. It will remain wrong for long time to come.

    The only just solution is returning the refugees to their homes and properties. On both sides of the Green line.
    Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola View Post
    Moses said unto his people (the Israelites): "Remember the good deeds that Allah has done for you, who appointed and gave you prophets and rulers, something he has not given to any other nation in the world; and now, my people (the Israelites), enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you. Do not turn back because otherwise you might be doomed and come to ruin." Surah 5:20-21

    Then we let the people (Israel), who were despised, inherit the Eastern and western parts of the land which we had blessed. And the fair word of the Lord was fulfilled for the children of Israel because of their endurance. Surah 7:137

    Then we said to the children of Israel: "Dwell in the land, and when the promise of the hereafter will be fulfilled, we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations." Surah 17:104


    what do these scriptures mean?
    They refer to Allahs chosen people who were gifted with the promised land. The whole argument stems from the fact that Allah promised his people the Holy Land. The differences of opinion rise as to who the chosen people are. The Jew believe it is them and we Muslims believe it is us. The Islamic point of view is that Islam has prevailed among Mankind since the creation of Adam(as), because Islam means to submit to the will of Allah which is the message every prophet brought to his people. The Israelites were the muslims of their time because they followed the commands of Allah sent through the prophet Musa(as), but they when they corrupted their Torah and went astray this promise of God continued along the line of true muslims, those who followed the prophet Muhammad(saw).
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou View Post
    There is no difference between Palestine on one side of the Green line and Palestine on the other. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It was wrong in 1948, it was wrong in 1967, it is wrong today. It will remain wrong for long time to come.

    The only just solution is returning the refugees to their homes and properties. On both sides of the Green line.
    Hear Hear. I second that!
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98 View Post
    Palestine is the property of the rightful owners (whoever they may be).

    Palestine is not the property of Islam.

    Islam is a religion and cannot own land.

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    But Allah is the owner of everything and He commanded Islam. Palestine is His property to gift to whom He wills.
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ayesha Rana View Post
    They refer to Allahs chosen people who were gifted with the promised land. The whole argument stems from the fact that Allah promised his people the Holy Land. The differences of opinion rise as to who the chosen people are. The Jew believe it is them and we Muslims believe it is us. The Islamic point of view is that Islam has prevailed among Mankind since the creation of Adam(as), because Islam means to submit to the will of Allah which is the message every prophet brought to his people. The Israelites were the muslims of their time because they followed the commands of Allah sent through the prophet Musa(as), but they when they corrupted their Torah and went astray this promise of God continued along the line of true muslims, those who followed the prophet Muhammad(saw).
    thanks for the info
    Would you quote for me where God changed his mind regarding the Jewish people and God gave the land to the Muslims..

    Is Jerusalsam actually mentioned in the Quran?
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98 View Post
    Palestine is the property of the rightful owners (whoever they may be).

    Palestine is not the property of Islam.

    Islam is a religion and cannot own land.

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    peace Joe,

    we dont differentiate between religion, politics, economics, government etc in islam, all is one 'deen' a deen being a complete holistic view on life that takes in all these aspects and many more.

    therefore the islamic state is a concept that seems alien to non-muslims but is perfectly in accordance to God's law.

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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    lol.......
    Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!


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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    Salaam

    Palistine is the property of 'Allah' we just live here rent free.
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk View Post
    peace Joe,

    we dont differentiate between religion, politics, economics, government etc in islam, all is one 'deen' a deen being a complete holistic view on life that takes in all these aspects and many more.

    therefore the islamic state is a concept that seems alien to non-muslims but is perfectly in accordance to God's law.

    peace,
    Daw'ud
    seems strange after all these years...there still isn't even one.
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou View Post
    There is no difference between Palestine on one side of the Green line and Palestine on the other. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It was wrong in 1948, it was wrong in 1967, it is wrong today. It will remain wrong for long time to come.

    The only just solution is returning the refugees to their homes and properties. On both sides of the Green line.

    Lol
    Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!


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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth View Post
    Salaam

    Palistine is the property of 'Allah' we just live here rent free.

    do you live there?
    just wondering
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola View Post
    do you live there?
    just wondering


    Nope, just ment people in genral.
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola View Post
    thanks for the info
    Would you quote for me where God changed his mind regarding the Jewish people and God gave the land to the Muslims..

    Is Jerusalsam actually mentioned in the Quran?
    thanks.
    God didn't change His mind. Sorry if you misunderstood me but i am trying to say that Allah promised the Promised Land to the Muslims to begin with. The Israelites were the muslims of their time cos they submitted to God. Those of them who went astray and called themselves Jews are no longer Muslims cos they went astray. The true Muslims are those who follow the Messenger of Allah Muhammad(saw).
    Jerusalam is mentioned in the Hadith but I'll check up the Qur'an bit.
    Peace.
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ayesha Rana View Post
    God didn't change His mind. Sorry if you misunderstood me but i am trying to say that Allah promised the Promised Land to the Muslims to begin with. The Israelites were the muslims of their time cos they submitted to God. Those of them who went astray and called themselves Jews are no longer Muslims cos they went astray. The true Muslims are those who follow the Messenger of Allah Muhammad(saw).
    Peace.

    thanks i understand now...

    but don't the Jews still worship the one true God.
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    Re: Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

    format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou View Post
    There is no difference between Palestine on one side of the Green line and Palestine on the other. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It was wrong in 1948, it was wrong in 1967, it is wrong today. It will remain wrong for long time to come.

    The only just solution is returning the refugees to their homes and properties. On both sides of the Green line.
    But virtually all states have borders that were set by war and ethnic cleansing. If it is timeless, how far back should we go? 20 years? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? 3000 years? If we want we can go back all the way to the ancient world and base the borders of nations on that. This is in fact exactly what the extremist Jews are doing, they are following the same logic.

    If we apply your logic to Europe we will have to redraw all borders, especially considering what happened after both WW1 and WW2.
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