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its seems preety ironic that oppressed becomes the opressors, just like the israelies. its seems that they have forgotton how they were treated in germany and they treat the palestinians the same way. dont you agree?
totally agree. once a victim of bullying, now turned bully. People are suppose to take a leaf out of history to ensure that certain events which shoked the wolrd dont happen again. like the holocaust, vietnam, horishima, ect ect. But that doesnt seem to stop people from doing such acts, like bombing innocent people, persuction of a nation, running people out of their land. And if history repeats itself for those people they will only have themsleves to balme for not learning from the past. Like america seems to be in a present day vietnam, isreal has turned from a victim of the holocaust, now, no to a bully no different to the nazi regime which had gas chambers and killed many innocent people.
Oh yes. Israel is rounding up every Palestinian (ooops, arab-israelis can vote and are members of the knesset israels congress), than Israel is putting them on trains and sending them to death camps and gasing them just because they are Muslim...(wait that isnt happening...) Israel isn't letting any Muslim pray because it doesnt allow freedom of religion...(oh wait, Israel not only allows but collects taxes from Jews to give to Muslim efforts to build Mosques in villages that have none).... Please do not compare Israel and the Nazi's... It is a disgrace.
Jews in Germany were rounded up and sent into Ghettos could not pray, there stores all had gaurds telling non-Jews not to buy from them, they were treated like rats, and there places of worship were burned. Then after all this, the Germans sent them to a Camp where they worked until death and then died from starvation or freeze. The women and children were put into gas chambers where mothers would try and save there children, but they could not be saved... Imagine dieing with your Mother or child and being unable to do anything. Then the survivors went back to there homes in Germany and Poland and non-Jews who took there land thinking they died refused to give it back and killed many.
Don't compare the Holocaust to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.
I had to take a course on the Holocaust in Russia where I studied and I visited the camps in Poland, and let me tell you. It is sickening staring at the intolerance of man.
I suggest we stop this topic before someone is seriously offended.
can someone post the facts of holocaust, if possible
jazakhala in advance.
1. What was the Holocaust?
The Holocaust was the state-sponsored, systematic persecution and annihilation of European Jewry by the Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945. In 1933 approximately nine million Jews lived in the 21 countries of Europe that would be occupied by Germany during World War II. By 1945 two out of every three European Jews had been killed. Jews were the primary victims -- six million were murdered; Roma (Gypsies), the handicapped and Poles were also targeted for destruction or decimation for racial, ethnic or national reasons. Millions more, including Soviet prisoners of war, political dissidents, homosexuals and Jehovah's Witnesses suffered grievous oppression and death under Nazi tyranny.
2. Who were the Nazis?
"Nazi" is a short term for the National Socialist German Workers Party, a right-wing political party formed in 1919 primarily by unemployed German veterans of World War I. Adolf Hitler became head of the party in 1921, and under his leadership the party eventually became a powerful political force in German elections by the early 1930's. The Nazi party ideology was strongly anti-Communist, antisemitic, racist, nationalistic, imperialistic and militaristic.
In 1933, the Nazi Party assumed power in Germany and Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor. He ended German democracy and severely restricted basic rights, such as freedom of speech, press and assembly. He established a brutal dictatorship through a reign of terror. This created an atmosphere of fear, distrust and suspicion in which people betrayed their neighbors and which helped the Nazis to obtain the acquiescence of social institutions such as the civil service, the educational system, churches, t he judiciary, industry, business and other professions.
3. Why did the Nazis want to kill large numbers of innocent people?
The Nazis believed that Germans were "racially superior" and that there was a struggle for survival between them and "inferior races." Jews, Roma (Gypsies) and the handicapped were seen as a serious biological threat to the purity of the "German (Aryan) Race" and therefore had to be "exterminated." The Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's defeat in World War I, for its economic problems and for the spread of Communist parties throughout Europe. Slavic peoples (Poles, Russians and others) were also consi dered "inferior" and destined to serve as slave labor for their German masters. Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals and Free Masons were persecuted, imprisoned and often killed on political and behavioral (rather than racial) grounds . Sometimes the distinction was not very clear. Millions of Soviet Prisoners of War perished from starvation, disease and forced labor or were killed for racial political reasons.
4. How did the Nazis carry out their policy of genocide?
In the late 1930's the Nazis killed thousands of handicapped Germans by lethal injection and poisonous gas. After the German invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, mobile killing units following in the wake of the German Army began shooting massive numbers of Jews and Roma (Gypsies) in open fields and ravines on the outskirts of conquered cities and towns. Eventually the Nazis created a more secluded and organized method of killing enormous numbers of civilians -- six extermination centers were established in occupied Poland where large-scale murder by gas and body disposal through cremation were conducted systematically. Victims were deported to these centers from Western Europe and from the ghettos in Eastern Europe which the Nazis had established. In addition, millions died in the ghettos and concentration camps as a result of forced labor, starvation, exposure, brutality, disease and execution.
5. How did the world respond to the Holocaust?
The United States and Great Britain as well as other nations outside Nazi Europe received numerous press reports in the 1930s about the persecution of Jews. By 1942 the governments of the United States and Great Britain had confirmed reports about "the Final Solution" -- Germany's intent to kill all the Jews of the Europe. However, influenced by antisemitism and fear of a massive influx of refugees, neither country modified their refugee policies. Their stated intention to defeat Germany militarily took precedence over rescue efforts, and therefore no specific attempts to stop or slow the genocide were made until mounting pressure eventually forced the United States to undertake limited rescue efforts in 1944.
In Europe, rampant antisemitism incited citizens of many German occupied countries to collaborate with the Nazis in their genocidal policies. There were, however, individuals and groups in every occupied nation who, at great personal risk, helped hide th ose targeted by the Nazis. One nation, Denmark, saved most of its Jews in a nighttime rescue operation in 1943 in which Jews were ferried in fishing boats to safety in neutral Sweden.
Yes, Israel could probably want to learn from their past.
But before I worry too much about them, it would do me well to look at my past and see what lessons Iam ignoring.
Quite simply, we muslims arent doing any better for ourselves.
It is beyond words and saying 'it hurts' is not enough to express the feelings of having our brothers and sisters die on a daily basis at their hands. This is all the more reason we need to struggle (Jihad) to teach our masses the truth of our deen and to educate the muslim ummah.
Let us work, one day at a time, one person at a time, starting with ourselves, learning from Our past to become better muslims.
May Allah(SWT) forgive me and us all and guide our ummah. Aameen.
WAllahuAlim
Alaikum Salaam
"Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?" [2:44]
can someone post the facts of holocaust, if possible
jazakhala in advance.
oh, just do a goolge, and you get more links than you can read till the end of your life ! The ones, who still try to deny the holocaust are really ignorants !
Besides, do also a "search" here in the forum, and you get plenty of threads too. I just guess, you didn't find the "search" button yet !
[B]3. Why did the Nazis want to kill large numbers of innocent people?
The Nazis believed that Germans were "racially superior" and that there was a struggle for survival between them and "inferior races." Jews, Roma (Gypsies) and the handicapped were seen as a serious biological threat to the purity of the "German (Aryan) Race" and therefore had to be "exterminated." The Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's defeat in World War I, for its economic problems and for the spread of Communist parties throughout Europe. Slavic peoples (Poles, Russians and others) were also consi dered "inferior" and destined to serve as slave labor for their German masters. Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals and Free Masons were persecuted, imprisoned and often killed on political and behavioral (rather than racial) grounds . Sometimes the distinction was not very clear. Millions of Soviet Prisoners of War perished from starvation, disease and forced labor or were killed for racial political reasons.
This is what believing in this theory of "Natural Selection" does to human lives.
I agree that the Arab-Israeli may not be as horrible as the holocaust was.. but to us muslims, it is more horrible than the holocaust, because our brothers and sisters are dying there. Like the famous Caliph of Islam, Omar(R) once mentioned, that the life of a single muslim was dearer to him than all what rome and persia contained.
Don't compare the Holocaust to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.
I had to take a course on the Holocaust in Russia where I studied and I visited the camps in Poland, and let me tell you. It is sickening staring at the intolerance of man.
I suggest we stop this topic before someone is seriously offended.
I completely agree. The Palestinian suffering is the result of a pretty ordinary war/occupation. In the holocaust Jews were not a party in the war, they were simply rounded up and killed for being Jews. One is about territorial conquest, the other about genocide against a stateless people.
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