A Message for the Muslims in Britain

format_quote Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

this is what Shaykh Abdul Qadir said about URDU..reposting it for HEIGOU
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why are you AGAINST THAT heigou?? whats wrong with what he said..URDU is spoken in INDIA PAKISTAN and many people in BANGLADESH also do speak it..

in addition to the urdu speaking communties in the WEST, and the ARABIAN GULF/AFRICA...dont know if its the third largest (i think it is) but other than that whats your OBJECTION???

He said "It is the deep intellectual responsibility of the new Muslim generation in Britain not to lose the Urdu language." So you were wrong, he said, just as I said he said, Muslim boys (and girls) ought to learn Urdu. He nowhere says that only Muslims of Pakistani origin ought to learn Urdu as you claimed.

Having said that, I do not care what he thinks Muslims ought to learn. I am saying it is odd that a Muslim leader ought to chose his culture over his religion.

As for the people who speak it, it is a southern Asian language spoken in Pakistan. It is also an official language in some Indian states. The South Asians have taken it elsewhere but it is not the Third most widely spoken language,

Urdu speakers: 61 million native speakers, 104 million total
Ranking: 19-21 (native speakers), in a near tie with Italian and Turkish

So if you want to talk to other Muslims are you probably better off learning Turkish as that is close to Uzbek and so on.

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

I do not think that any religious leader ought to encourage his followers to enter into loveless marriages with, essentially, baby-machines for the purpose of changing the demographic make-up of a country. You may but if so we have different views about the purpose and nature of marriage.

loveless marriages? when did he suggets that? bring the quote plz..hes against people from the indian subcontinent marrying people from 'back home' because he thinks such marriages will not work given the difference and that its damaging to the development of the muslims here!!

It is an odd thing for a religious scholar to be suggesting. Surely Muslims ought to learn the Quran or a language that will help them get a job to support their families. Isn't nationalism forbidden in Islam?

he didnt say neglect arabic..but learn your own tongue your heritage..he never suggested not learning arabic..fanatic nationalism is haraam however its not haraam to love your country ..or your particular village or tribe..when does it become haraam? when you think your tribe country etc..is superior...in Islam its important we know more about our culture and heritage..a Qur'anic verse states that its a miracle that we have different tongues and colours..we should celebrate it.

Perhaps but he seems to want to make the Muslims powerful enough that the country will become a Muslim one. So it would be easy then.

He wants muslims to empower themselves ..muslims need that..afrocarribeans need that many other minorities too..we need to do something about our miserable situation..whats wrong with that? he doesnt talk about ruling the others..but he always says we should work alongside them..once again heres what he said

format_quote Originally Posted by Shaykh Abdal Qadir

The final responsibility that falls on the young Muslims of Britain is that they should participate in the legal-political processes of the country, in which they must insist that they are not defined by either colour or by being named immigrants.
In order that we both benefit our own community and also the wider citizenry of Britain, this participation must be understood in a serious and sophisticated manner.

format_quote Originally Posted by Shaykh Abdal Qadir

Today what is vital for the Muslims of Britain is that they support that movement which will protect, by wise reformation and not abolition, both the institutions and value-structure which over centuries have been set out to protect the legal rights of the individual, precisely against State interference and enslavement.

Uh huh. Why not with paper money?

read his many articles about that and why he thinks its the reason why many countries in the world are poor.. while the people in the west just getter wealthier and wealthier.

1. I do not care if he was born on Mars.

2. Where is the evidence that he is ethnically Scottish (and if so why is he demanding Muslims learn Urdu?)?

the evidence is in his site..hes a scot he lives in Norwich England...he embraced Islam in the 60s

Where and on what subject?.

thats irrelevant and besides the point...whats shocking is you accused the Shaykh of wanting to turn the UK into a dictatorship but he said muslims are more freer to practise the deen HERE in the west than in many muslim countries

format_quote Originally Posted by Shaykh Abdal Qadir

We are far from the situation of a true Islam, functioning and governing. Ironically, our Deen is less compromised in atheist countries like France and christian countries like Germany than it is in countries where both Government and Head of State insist they are Muslim to numb and paralyse a servile population - the dictatorships of Tunisia and Pakistan

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

He said "It is the deep intellectual responsibility of the new Muslim generation in Britain not to lose the Urdu language." So you were wrong, he said, just as I said he said, Muslim boys (and girls) ought to learn Urdu. He nowhere says that only Muslims of Pakistani origin ought to learn Urdu as you claimed.

Having said that, I do not care what he thinks Muslims ought to learn. I am saying it is odd that a Muslim leader ought to chose his culture over his religion.

As for the people who speak it, it is a southern Asian language spoken in Pakistan. It is also an official language in some Indian states. The South Asians have taken it elsewhere but it is not the Third most widely spoken language,

Urdu speakers: 61 million native speakers, 104 million total
Ranking: 19-21 (native speakers), in a near tie with Italian and Turkish

So if you want to talk to other Muslims are you probably better off learning Turkish as that is close to Uzbek and so on.

you should know more about the muslim population here 80% is of pakistani origins!! many Indians also speak Urdu especially the muslims..even bollywood movies is in urdu! even many bangladeshis speak it..this doesnt mean i as a nonurdu speaking person should learn it..he will tell me to learn my own language.

i apologise to everyone(especially heigou!) i was already in a rotten mood and reading this thread and people talking about deportation and just made me enraged..so ive edited all my posts..replaced the uppercase by making them bold to emphasise my point.

thanks sis Umm Shaheed for your sage advice.

peace yall

i really feel bad heigou..so accept my apology..

btw people any tips on getting my appetite back..i feel sooo horrible (dont ask me what happened!)

I am not going to bother reading the articles,they are too long ...

But according to what HeiGou said :

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

Beautiful? He says Muslims should marry white girls as well as girls from back home, Muslim boys must study Urdu (not Arabic interestingly enough and he is wrong about it being the third most widely spoken language - Hindi might be close but Urdu is not), Muslims should join the Conservative Party, work to overthrow Democracy, create a dictatorship, impose Sharia law, and bring back the gold standard.

The phrase "bag full of beans" springs to mind.

Which part of that would anyone endorse? Deport the guy.

I guess the Scholor and I can agree to disagree on this one.

Wa'salaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

i really feel bad heigou..so accept my apology..

btw people any tips on getting my appetite back..i feel sooo horrible (dont ask me what happened!)

I am touched you would apologise. I am not offended at all.

As for your appetite (been watching the Football have you?), you deserve a Rep for apologising. That shows real character. Does that help?

no its not the football..its something worse...but inshaAllah ill be better in a few weeks

format_quote Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

deport him? this just goes to show you havent even read the article properly or know anything worth a ding dong about the man!..He is a native scot ..hes british..you thought he was some immigrant..read the articles AGAIN before you post anything inflammatory.

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In that case the government should monitor his every step.

searching i really dont want to repeat myself..please refer to my past posts

Peace