Geronoimia you are prepared with responses! That was fast with the pictures and everything...
Machesterfolk not all muslims think like that.. How many know about the jewish sucide bombers who blew themselves up for Palestine.....
Geronoimia you are prepared with responses! That was fast with the pictures and everything...
Machesterfolk not all muslims think like that.. How many know about the jewish sucide bombers who blew themselves up for Palestine.....
They were known as the Irgun and was a particularly nasty terrorist group. Though they never reached more than 1000 they were a forcr on the scene harassing both Arabs and the British. they were thoroughly routed by the British in the 1940s
A complete LIE!Go read the transcripts of the first Zionist congress, your completly wrong, and you should do some research before talking about something you do not know.
Its no lie. 7 Arab countries attacked Israel. Everyone knows this outside the brainwashed cult of Jew haters.
Not even close. Go read a book other than the Quran educate yourself on a variety of topics and then come back and discuss things about the Holocaust with me.
I never said my info is from the Qur'an, please keep that book out of the discussion...
your info are wrong too and you should look for research and read some books about the history of zionism.
I never said my info is from the Qur'an, please keep that book out of the discussion...
your info are wrong too and you should look for research and read some books about the history of zionism.
Info on Zionism:
Zionism is a political movement and ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, where the Jewish nation originated over 3,200 years ago and where Jewish kingdoms and self-governing states existed up to the 2nd century. While Zionism is based in part upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, the modern movement was originally secular, beginning largely as a response to rampant antisemitism in Europe and in many parts of the Muslim world during the 19th Century.
The Question Lammagad is that have you ever read a book about Zionism that was not written by Osama Bin-Laden, or Mohammad Attah?
I didn't say Jews, i have said zionism... there's a hug diffrence between them.
read before you talk to me.
Every single person on the first zionist congress was a Jew! So you are saying you hate Jews.
Your ridiculous statement that Israel and Hitler are equal would get you laughed out of any debate room. The lack of facts your provide and your lack of knowledge of the overall subject is very aparent.
I am not even sure how I can take your seriously with the absolute lies you write on this board. Is that you Osama?
my discussion about this will end here
Good. I hate Pathological Liars that spread completly false statements to spread there agenda. Go read a history book... though it might be to late for you since you are as someone wrote earlier completly brainwashed.
The only redeeming quality I can see about this thread is it is giving an oportunity for some controversial material to be covered. But, like all controversies, all sides need to be seen in order to arrive at a fair conclusion. Let us all try to discuss with just facts and avoid the temptation to stereotype any group of people.
No matter what our personal beliefs or feelings may be, no statement is ever true about every member of any group.
Let us all agree to disagree with dignity and in an honorable manner.
Anyone who is even slightly aware of the political and military history of WWII and the Nazi war machine would never compare the state of Israel to Hitler. There really isn't anything a rational person can say about this thread or the poll, besides ...no, that isn't appropriate either.
Anyone who says that Hitler and Israel are the same have no fact and I challenge you to present any facts to prove that the Mideast Conflict is even close to the Holocaust!
1948: Over 800,000 Palestinians forced to leave their homes due to Zionist attacks
Actually, most Palestinians left on there own free will, when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem called any Muslim who stayed in Israel a traitor. Then he made the announcement for all Muslims to leave, because the Arab Nations were going to exterminate every Jew and drive them into the sea.
(Yes the same Grand Mufti who visisted Berlin and inspected SS Death Camp Gaurds and had chats with Hitler.)
They obviously never talked about Israels plea for all Muslims to stay and to build a country together in 1948, in your mosque did they?
1967: Another 300,000 Palestinians made refugees by the illegal "Israeli" occupation of Gaza and the West Bank
If 7 Arab Nations did not prepare to attack Israel in 1967, would there be any dispute of occupied territories? No.
The occupation is the Arab worlds fault.
Since Spt. 29th, 2000
- an estimated 30,000 Palestinians have been injured, 4,000 killed (920 of which were children), and over 4,500 homes demolished
You dare compare that to the Holocaust? Would you like me to get out Holocaust numbers to compare to yours and then ask you if you still vote 'yes' in this little poll.
Would you like me to continue, and completly embarass you with the facts.
Spare yourself the embarassment, and just don't even reply.
Or if you want to continue this argument i'm ready to completly destroy any validity to the statement the 'hitler = israel'
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1948: Over 800,000 Palestinians forced to leave their homes due to Zionist attacks
I think the UN only counted 750,000 but that's a quibble.
1967: Another 300,000 Palestinians made refugees by the illegal "Israeli" occupation of Gaza and the West Bank
Where do you get that figure from which is almost certainly out by a factor of ten?
Since Spt. 29th, 2000
- an estimated 30,000 Palestinians have been injured, 4,000 killed (920 of which were children), and over 4,500 homes demolished
So since 2000 this "genocidal" Israel government has killed 4000 Palestinians? In six years? In a roughly similar period of time the Germans killed 6,000,000 Jews. So for every Palestinian killed in the Intifada since 2000, the Germans killed 1,500 innocent, non-violent, unresisting Jews. You still compare the two?
Today: Over 4 million palestinian refugees, and 8,403 Palestinians are imprisoned by "Israel"
***Sounds like a Hitler in progross to me
Imprisoned in what sense? Sounds like you are (quick, thinks what words could possibly go in here without getting me banned) a little Mel Gibson-ish.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
When somone claims that the MiddleEast Conflict can be compared to the Holocaust there are only 3 types of people.
-People who will argue the 'israel=hitler' point with absolutly no facts supporting them, but still argue this because of there hatred towards the Jewish people and Israel.
-People who will just sit in the sidelines and be nuetral.
-People who are so stunned that people could actually compare the MidEast Conflict to the Holocaust, that they feel compelled the stand up and present everyone with the facts for the sake of humanity.
Oh please, Shiites and Sunnis are running around Iraq defying the law, and murdering eachother and blowing up eachother mosques. Are you going to blame this on America? PLEASE!
Sorry to say, but i believe it is the American's or Jewish people that are causing it as well. This is a very contraversial issue, but I will tell you my reason, and you can see where i'm coming from or argue, but nobody knows for sure.. so you can say whatever you believe and I can't say you are right or wrong in what you believe, only God Knows.
Basically, the people who hate Islam (jews and american's) would rather us fight one another than join forces. My belief is that they created all the drama between the Two factions because when Sunni's and Shia's started joining forces in Iraq against the American's after the fall of Saddam, who i still believe to be a horrible man and i'm glad he's gone... But Sunni's and Shia's started to come together, but then you see a Shia mosque blow up and right after a sunni area gets bombed... then all hell breaks loose between the two.
Then again, when Denmark came out with the depicting picture of our Beloved Prophet, Sunni's and Shia's again started to come together as one and go against a more important enemy, but right after what happens??? Imam Askari Mosque gets blown up in Samarra, which is one of the Shia's most famous Mosque's... I believe this was a way to re-direct the concentration away from the Sunni's and Shia's who were coming together and get them fighting again.
Then Sayed Sistani... the most followed Shia Scholar, came out with a Fatwa about a couple of weeks to 1 month ago saying something like this to his Shia followers.
Basically, if a Sunni comes to attack you, you are not to harm him in any way... Even if he comes to kill you, you can only do what is necessary to save you and your families life, but restrain as much as possible from harming your Sunni brother, For they have been brainwashed by an outside force for them to lower themself to such an extent to hurt a fellow muslim. And by you harming them back, you are only intensifying the cause of the outsider that caused this chaos and neither you or the Sunni will benefit, but the outsider will be the one to benefit from this.
- this was my own words, i didn't want to take the time to research it completely, as long as you get the point.
if Israel wanted to intentionally traget innocent, they would drop warnings, and only traget militant strongholds.... If Israels goal was to kill innocent, there would no one left in Lebonon.
See, and this is what most people believe. But if you talk to people who came back from lebanon, they will give you another story.
Israel does drop warnings, but people are still afraid to move... because even after dropping the warnings they still target the civilians!!! I have heard this numerous times from many people in Lebanon that made it back to U.S. They believe they are the luckiest people to have made it and have some crazy stories. They say even after the warnings, if you try to drive off in the north or to syria, you are like in a warzone and missles are hitting all around you and hitting innocent civilian territories.
Israels goal is to kill innocent people, but only as much as they think they can get away with, without having the world come against them, if not,t hen ya, they would've done what U.S did to Japan and just dropped some crazy bomb that would wipe them all off, but this way they still have the media on their side... and they are trying to say "If we hit you, you better not hit back or I will take go straight to your family who can't defend themself...so next time your mom will blame you for her death."
It is absurd and totally idiotic to compare Israel to Adolf Hitler.
Anyone who does so is ignorant of history or blind and biased to the extreme.
You might as well piss on the ashes of all the innocent Jews who were marched into gas chambers thinkning they were getting showers, then had their corpses burned to ashes.
The Nazis also made other Jews do all the dirsty work of burning the bodies.
This poll speaks volumes about the immature little boys and girls who populate this forum. .
You should all be ashamed of yourselves if you believe that.
It is absurd and totally idiotic to compare Israel to Adolf Hitler.
Anyone who does so is ignorant of history or blind and biased to the extreme.
You might as well piss on the ashes of all the innocent Jews who were marched into gas chambers thinkning they were getting showers, then had their corpses burned to ashes.
The Nazis also made other Jews do all the dirsty work of burning the bodies.
This poll speaks volumes about the immature little boys and girls who populate this forum. .
You should all be ashamed of yourselves if you believe that.
You are part of the problem.
100% agree! How can peace ever be achievable when people are so biased and unable to look at reality.
It is absurd and totally idiotic to compare Israel to Adolf Hitler.
Anyone who does so is ignorant of history or blind and biased to the extreme.
You might as well piss on the ashes of all the innocent Jews who were marched into gas chambers thinkning they were getting showers, then had their corpses burned to ashes.
The Nazis also made other Jews do all the dirsty work of burning the bodies.
This poll speaks volumes about the immature little boys and girls who populate this forum. .
You should all be ashamed of yourselves if you believe that.
Islam has nothing to do with this... don't mix up things... Islam forbids such stuff weather it's hitler or israel or what ever...
Jews who have died in this Holocaust have our sympathy.
Venezuela prime minister isn't Muslim, and he is the one who have said that israel is doing the same as hitler and i have quoted it from him since i totally agree... so please don't keep pointing about Islam and Qur'an.
this isn't about Islam, it's about the terrorists acts that israel is doing and then they blame the death of those civilians and women and children on Hezb Allah... the most ridiculous excuse ever.
all israel excuses are lies and majority aren't able to believe them...
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