Do you support or sympathise with Israel (Zionism)?

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding

Sorry, I disagree. The invasion of Lebanon is not intended as land-grab .

LOL you really think it is about the captured soldiers. For you information Israeli soldiers have been captured before by Hezbollah and Palestinian Militiants in order to use them as means of releasing the many 1000s of prisoners unjustly left rotting in Israel dungeons without trial or procedures.

The father of 1 of the captured Israel soldier even confirms this on this link, he also mentions IT IS NOT ABOUT THE SOLDIERS!

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article...rder=0&thold=0

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding

It has very little to do with zionism directly. I have not heard any Israeli defend the latest invasion in the name zionism either.

please read my initial post and thread attached. Zionism is a Political movement made by Israel, it is the movement used to occupy Palestinian lands, to Invade Lebanon, west bank etc. Any one who has done a little research on the history of Israel will know that actions of Israel are lead by Zionism, The first leader in Israel was a Zionist, If had taken the Initiative to do some research before jumping to conclusions you would have saved me the trouble of pointing these things out to you.
It is therefore common knowledge amongs the Jews that the Power and what drives the Leaders in Israel is Zionism. I have also given a brief overview of How it is Zionism and matched their beliefs to their actions to prove it is ZIonism.

I know its hard for people like you to accept Facts and rational arguments other then that presented in your TV box set. But you should really take some intiative instead of wating to be spoon fed the details all the time.

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding

I strongly disagree. Oddly enough I think this war has more to do with anti-Zionism extremism than zionist extremism.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying being an anti-zionist is a bad thing?
Can you read? I have presented evidences from the Zionist belief and evidences from history about Israel on how Israel enforces Zionism. I made it pretty clear that Zionists are terrorists and represent all things evil such as racism, mass murder of other races, slaughtering of innocents such as children and the eldrerely just because of their Non-jew, Illegal occupation of lands and much more...

Everyone should be Anti-Zionists! I made this thread and Post to let all know the threat they pose to Mankind and all who is Non-Jew. They are such a big a threat that even Jews oppose them! The killing you see of Lebanese civilians are due to Zionist Extremism, they have done it before in 1982 and they are doing it again.

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding

There are strong forces in the Arab world that want to get rid of Israel and that this has been one of the major causes of the many wars that followed the creation of Israel. Including this latest war between Hezbollah and Israel.

Please present this argument when you SEE AN ARAB NATION invade Israel, when you see an arab nation blow up civillian buildings in Israel and When you see arab nation "Collectively punish" Israel civillians, Invade and occupy Israel land because a terrorist organisation they want to get rid of just so happens to be there. Till then please keep your prejuduce to your self.

Its funny how hypocritical people are. They are more willing to accept opinions on TV as facts so long as it supports their prejudice but accept facts as opinions, scrutizing these facts idiotically, just because it is against their prejudice.

format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum

Wow, what an open mind. Of course if you support Hez-Bullies, you are a defender of all that is good and wonderful.

When did I say Hez-bullies is a good thing? I dont even know what hezbollah intends but I know what Zionism intends as mentioned in their beliefs. Therefore for the time bieng keep to the subject and keep your false understandings to your self. Thanks.

format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi

I refused to vote in this poll because it is a false choice.

what is a false choice? Its simple, read the initial post and the thread linked to the post then decide if you are for Israels Political movement or against it.

format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum

A "False Choice" is when not all choices are given. IE Either you support Isreal or not. It eliminates the obvious position of neturality. Just an other prime example of some one that lives in a black or white world. Not to mention that someone who does not support your position is a terrorist.

So what your saying is you can't decide if Zionism, the Ideology adopted by leaders of Israel and the Idelogy which fuels its politcal movement needs "shades of grey"? What your saying is you can't decide if the illegal occupation of arab lands due to this ideology is right or wrong? You can't decide if the Zionism belief which encourages the killing of Non-jews is right or wrong? you can't decide if Zionism is right or wrong based on the facts and evidence is provide?

You make the Term "Black and white" sound so deragatory, I'm sorry but If I don't take a "Neutral position" when it comes to killing innocents civillians; its wrong regardless of who does it. Im sorry I don't take a "Neutral position" in deciding if the ideology known as Zionism which encourages the Killing of Non-jews and Illigal occupation of their land. Not everything is Black and white, but regarding Zionism its crytal clear.

format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum

I'm saying you ignore all the atrocities that have been commited against Israel. You comdemn only them and never condemn anything that has been done against them. Any one can justify any position if they only take into concideration the facts that support there position. Untill you realize that all situations have multiple points of views, you will continue to live in a black and white world.

I ignore all atrocities commited to Israel? Give me evidence of the atrocities commited against Israel and I will tell you wether I condemn it or support it. Because this is exactly what I am doing, I have compiled evidence which proves the Ideology Israel Militiants and its leaders adopt. I have given evidence from their Book and from their past that they adopt this. And then all I did was ask people to make a decision, if you are incapable of making the decision due to your lack of intellect and make idiotic excuses such as "your Black and white man, give more options because the ones you present are against my prejudice" then I can't help. All I can say is you are Hypocrites because if you really wanted to support Israel and are Neutral in observing all evidences you would have compiled your evidence against my evidence to show your evidence outweighs mine. Instead you make derogatory comments and if give more of your idiotic prejudice knowing full well it's not constructive.

I condemn the Killing of innocents, anywhere in the world regardless of race, nationality etc, I know there are Civilians in Israel that have got caught up with the war and been injured or even worse died.

But I am talking about an Ideology named Zionism here, an Ideology adopted by the Militiants in Israel and its leaders. This is clear from the evidence I have provided and their actions from the past till present are full of injustice targeted towards the Mid east today but later who knows...

Any one who aware of this Ideology and supports it is affectively supporting killing of all Non-Jews and Illegal occupation of their lands. I have said it before and say it again, I am repeating it again like some broken record , that I am not against the existence of Israel but the Ideology which its leaders adopt. Due to this they have commited and still are commiting many atrocities.

format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum

That proves my point. Either you don't read or you refuse to accept anything that does not validate your hate.

That's also true of certain groups of people on the other side of the fence as it were. I'm not justifying that sort of behaviour, it's annoying as heck. However, if someone demands evidence, one should provide it.

Yet again you do not fail to surprise me Wilberhum, you again come with more of your OPINION. you reply again without any evidence towards a constructive argument for or against this thread. I hope you don't find it offensive if I say your OPINION is not valid, I do not value it. But I will value any EVIDENCE or PROOF you provide against my evidence you may also make your opinion known based on the evidence and proof provided by you.

format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum

That proves my point. Either you don't read or you refuse to accept anything that does not validate your hate.

Stop talking to yourself in the mirror.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

That's also true of certain groups of people on the other side of the fence as it were. I'm not justifying that sort of behaviour, it's annoying as heck. However, if someone demands evidence, one should provide it.

Agreed. One of the reason I can be as annoying as heck when I have to repeat my self over and over and over and over... .

Okay, I'm just going to nip this in the bud. Wilberhum, either provide evidence or do not.

WnbSlveOfAllah, if no evidence is provided, please drop this subject as it is taking the thread off-topic, and will result in one or both of you being warned.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

WnbSlveOfAllah, if no evidence is provided, please drop this subject as it is taking the thread off-topic, and will result in one or both of you being warned.

Intended to do so

Wilberhum I will leave you with these Emoticons

I support the right to exist of Jews in Israel who does not support Zionism(Israeli state) or the children or the people beguile. I do not see Hezbollah as a terrorist organization nor by any of it's action, and I think he should be given better guided and long range missiles.

I will support Hezbollah, aslong as he follows the Guidance of the Quran and the Sunnah, and he is doing what is right for the sake of allah.

Also to note that he may make mistakes, because he is not infallible, but "so far as I know" he has not.

format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi

I refused to vote in this poll because it is a false choice.

that didnt even make sense I'm afraid.