'Hezbollah soldiers' with tattoos

**scentsofjannah** · 08-09-2006

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5254742.stm

i dont know about you guys..but i saw this on tv and the tattoe was clear having tattoes is not aspect of middleeastern culture except for bedoiun women (and this too is a dying tradition)

in this 'confession' tape it says he joined Hezbollah as a teen, went several times to Iran too.

**Ninth_Scribe** · 08-09-2006

Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

i dont know about you guys... but i saw this on tv and the tattoo was clear. having tattoes is not an aspect of middle eastern culture except for bedoiun women (and this too is a dying tradition)

in this 'confession' tape it says he joined Hezbollah as a teen, went several times to Iran too.

It's an impossible call to make just by the tattoo alone. One would be tempted to believe that the man bearing the tattoo couldn't possibly be of Hezbollah because it's forbidden, but sin is something we've all shared in common - and even some of the most die-hard religious followers (we won't mention any names) have fallen victim to this sin. I almost did myself, but I lost the debate with some of the Jewish rabbis concerning the issue.

Ninth Scribe

**I R Paki** · 08-09-2006

Another CIA-run propaganda video, as usual they've made a mistake.

**wilberhum** · 08-09-2006

Originally Posted by HusamLah

good observation brother

Isn't it amazing what you can see with your eyes closed.

**scentsofjannah** · 08-09-2006

Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe

It's an impossible call to make just by the tattoo alone. One would be tempted to believe that the man bearing the tattoo couldn't possibly be of Hezbollah because it's forbidden, but sin is something we've all shared in common - and even some of the most die-hard religious followers (we won't mention any names) have fallen victim to this sin. I almost did myself, but I lost the debate with some of the Jewish rabbis concerning the issue.

Ninth Scribe

If the guy was born and bred in Syria it is highly unlikely he would tattoo himself at such a tender young age..the concept is extremely alien to that part of the world except in bedoiun women who live in the desert and their tatooes are on their faces and hands..ofcourse I'm not saying he has always been a saint..but i suspect this is a hoax and history is riddled with hoaxes where numerous warring parties each spreading propaganda to make it look as if it's winning.

Also may i add Syria is a country where you will not find a single MCDonalds fastfood restaurant..or even Levi's...and there is also to this day an Aramaic speaking community comprising of Muslims and Christians.

**lavikor201** · 08-10-2006

It is still possible.

**Looking4Peace** · 08-10-2006

actually i know quite a few Muslim men that have tatoos because they were rebelious at a young age and some come from middle east nations, people grow up and tend to become more religious then once were as a teen, so this is nothing odd to me.

**azim** · 08-11-2006

Asalamu alaykum.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions based on a tattoo.

It's like Guyabano's stupid thread with the dead guy under the sheets.

We don't have enough evidence so theres no point in speculating.

**babybackribs** · 08-11-2006

I posted an article from the ***ociated Press today that described how tattos are all the rage today in Iran, of all places. And women are getting them the most ! The mods took it down for some reason or another. Anyway, it goes to show that more and more, tattoos are gaining popularity in the Muslim community.

**Woodrow** · 08-11-2006

The fact that anything is done or gaining in popularity does not make it halal.

And the fact that a person has a tattoo does not mean the person is not a Muslim. I believe it is a fairly well known fact that most of us are not perfect, and there is a possability that at some time we have done at least one haraam act. How and why a person has a tattoo is of little importance. We need only know why we are not in a tattoo parlor at this moment.

**north_malaysian** · 08-11-2006

Tattoo is haraaaaaam..

But sadly many skinhead and black metal Malays have tattoos to show their defiance to Islam.

**scentsofjannah** · 08-11-2006

Originally Posted by Crystal4Peace

actually i know quite a few Muslim men that have tatoos because they were rebelious at a young age and some come from middle east nations, people grow up and tend to become more religious then once were as a teen, so this is nothing odd to me.

ofcourse sis i dont deny that there are Muslim men who live in western countries who do get tatooes because they are distanced from religion and whatnot..but the thing is this young guy is from Syria and its extremely rare virtually nonexistent to see men with tattoos..and this article wants to believe this guy got a tattoo at the age of 15 or less..which is basically nonsense.

**scentsofjannah** · 08-11-2006

Originally Posted by azim

Asalamu alaykum.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions based on a tattoo.

It's like Guyabano's stupid thread with the dead guy under the sheets.

This thread just has an article..you make up your mind..i happen to thing its propaganda

Originally Posted by azim

We don't have enough evidence so theres no point in speculating.

I hope by that you also mean not accepting whatever the media throws at you like sheep.

**scentsofjannah** · 08-11-2006

Originally Posted by babybackribs

I posted an article from the ***ociated Press today that described how tattos are all the rage today in Iran, of all places. And women are getting them the most ! The mods took it down for some reason or another. Anyway, it goes to show that more and more, tattoos are gaining popularity in the Muslim community.

Iran is not a middleeastern country..and its not arab either.

besides its not a new thing to us..its extremely westernised...i have an Iranian music channel and the videos are not anything like what ive seen on arab tv..extremely shocking stuff.

but lets remember theres a huge Iranian diaspora..and thats its only a few cities within Iran that are westernised..Iran is a big country with many villages towns and cities.

**azim** · 08-11-2006

I hope by that you also mean not accepting whatever the media throws at you like sheep.

Of course not, but we should always think critically. We have been told that they are from Hezbollah, we should keep an air of skepticism about it since "the first casulty of war is truth", but that doesnt mean we should jump to conclusions on small pieces of information such as the tatoo. I don't mean to attack you or the thread sis, you've made some amazing posts regarding the Palestine/Israel situation - I just feel in this issue theres not enough evidence to be sure of anything.

**Kidman** · 08-11-2006

I know a lot of Muslims with tattoos... i was actually thinking about getting one myself. Who said they are haraam and what is your proof.

I have asked my sheikh about tattoos and they are forbidden if you mention the name of Allah or anything in the Quran because to have that you will have to be cleansed all the time which is impossible. But for other things, you can have tattoos...

Also, if you are goign to use the Sunnah, remember the Hezbollah are Shia, so use their sources of the Sunnah.

Thanks,
Kidman

**scentsofjannah** · 08-12-2006

Well if you noticed i said its extremely unlikely..its not from Middleeastern culture.

the ugly green tattoos are a western craze.

why would you want one done?

**scentsofjannah** · 08-12-2006

Originally Posted by azim

Of course not, but we should always think critically. We have been told that they are from Hezbollah, we should keep an air of skepticism about it since "the first casulty of war is truth", but that doesnt mean we should jump to conclusions on small pieces of information such as the tatoo. I don't mean to attack you or the thread sis, you've made some amazing posts regarding the Palestine/Israel situation - I just feel in this issue theres not enough evidence to be sure of anything.

Yes, true.

**Silver** · 08-12-2006

Even if the guys was raised in Syria (but he's lebanese right?hezbollah claims that its fighters are only lebanese...) he couldn've gotten a tattoo there,i've been to Syria countless times and there are guys with tattoos there.In Lebanon too,there are a lot of tattoo artists especially in Beirut and a large number of guys and girls do have tattoos,some are religious people.There are people who think that tattoo is haram and others who don't.
An increasing number of people are getting tattoos,I know it's not part of the arab culture but the region is changing.
So it is possible that there are hezbollah fighters with tattoos but I can't tell for sure.can I?

**Ninth_Scribe** · 08-12-2006

Originally Posted by HusamLah

keep denying the truth even tho its been presented to you

It's not a Truth until everyone can see it the same way. If I told you the only way to enter this world is by conception and the only way to leave it is via death, you would know I told you the truth because it's something every living being sees the same way. It's not open to debate and the understanding transcends all races, religions, sexes, and species - it applies to everything.

What I see here isn't a truth yet... but it most certainly warrents cautious and careful study. Turn the light up and take a closer look - who knows what we'll find? I've only been here on this Earth for 45 years and I have to admit... I've been shocked at what I've seen here! It wouldn't surprize me, that's for sure.

Ninth Scribe