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    Iraq: Split to 3 (OP)


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    Iraq to split into 3.

    [PIE] Iraq moves toward federal system
    Agence France-Presse, The Associated Press, The New York Times

    Published: October 11, 2006



    BAGHDAD The Shiite-dominated Parliament passed a law Wednesday allowing the formation of federal regions in Iraq, despite opposition from Sunni lawmakers and some Shiites who say it will dismember the country and fuel sectarian violence.

    In Parliament, the Sunni coalition and two Shiite parties tried to prevent a vote on the federalism bill by boycotting the session Wednesday. They hoped to prevent the 275-seat body from reaching the quorum of 50 percent.

    But the quorum was reached with 140 lawmakers, who voted on each of the bill's roughly 200 articles individually, passing them all unanimously.

    "This is the beginning of the plan to divide Iraq," said Adnan al-Dulaimi, leader of the Sunni National Accordance Front, which boycotted the vote along with the radical Shiite cleric Moktada Sadr's party and the Shiite Fadila party. "We had hoped that the problems of sectarian violence would be resolved. We hope there won't be an increase in violence."

    The bloodshed showed little sign of easing Wednesday, when at least five bombs exploded in different sections of Baghdad, killing at least six people and wounding more than a dozen, and the authorities discovered more bodies.

    Also, the U.S. Army chief said that it planned to keep the current level of soldiers in Iraq through 2010, a later date than officials from the Bush administration or the Defense Department had previously mentioned. (Page 5)

    The comments by the army chief of staff, General Peter Schoomaker, come as Iraq has become a central issue in the U.S. midterm elections in November. It was the latest acknowledgment by a Pentagon official that a significant withdrawal of troops from Iraq was not likely in the immediate future.

    The law passed Wednesday includes a provision that regions cannot be formed for another 18 months, a concession to Sunni concerns.

    The federalism law sets up a system for allowing provinces to join together into autonomous regions that would hold considerable powers of self-rule, a right given to them under the Constitution adopted last year in a national referendum.


    Some Shiites want to create an autonomous zone in their heartland in the south, much like the self-ruling Kurdish region in northern Iraq.

    But Sunni Arabs oppose the federalism measures, fearing that they will divide Iraq into sectarian mini-states, giving Shiite and Kurds control over oil riches in the south and north, and leaving Sunnis in an impoverished central zone without resources. Some Shiite parties, including the faction of al-Sadr, also oppose the measures for nationalistic reasons.

    Critics have also have warned that moves for federalism could fuel Shiite- Sunni violence.

    The head of the Shiite coalition that dominates Parliament, Abdul-Aziz al- Hakim, praised the passage of the bill and denounced Sunni opposition to federalism. Sunni Arabs largely voted against the Constitution passed in 2005 because it outlined the federal system.

    The law outlines a process for forming regions, requiring any province considering joining a region to hold a referendum, if a third of the provincial legislators request it.

    Meanwhile, the sectarian violence has continued to grow. Dozens of corpses have been found in the capital in the past three days, usually riddled with bullets and bearing signs of torture.

    Four more were found Wednesday in the Dora neighborhood of southern Baghdad, an area that was among the earliest to experience the sectarian bloodletting that is plaguing the capital. Dora is at the center of the American military's push to quell the violence and secure the capital.

    American and Iraqi soldiers moved into Dora and other parts of Baghdad in force in August, as part of a new security plan for the capital that involved neighborhood-by-neighborhood sweeps.

    Elsewhere, four civilians were killed when a concealed bomb blew up in the al-Amel neighborhood of west Baghdad, according to an employee at the Yarmuk hospital. Two more people were killed in another attack, the employee said.

    A roadside bomb apparently meant to strike an Iraqi police patrol exploded under a bridge in east Baghdad, wounding three policemen, and then nearby a car bomb exploded, wounding five civilians.

    Coalition headquarters said Wednesday that four more U.S. soldiers had been killed in action in Iraq, bringing to 40 the number of troops who have died this month.

    A series of huge explosions that rattled the capital late Tuesday were caused when a mortar shell, apparently fired by insurgents, struck an ammunition holding area at an American base in the southern part of the city, the American military said.

    According to Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Withington, a spokesman for the 4th Infantry Division, the mortar shell set off a fire that then exploded tank and artillery shells and other ammunition stored at the base. No injuries were reported in the explosions.[/PIE]


    And so the split has begun.Inteded from the beginning.

    What is weird is that the western media like to divide Kurds and Sunnnis,when the Kurds are sunni.

    A thrird divide that the western world wishes to widen more.

    As i ahve always said,the US likes to use proxies to fight to fight for them.
    And now the Iraqis have fallen in the same way.

    And guess whose idea was it to split Iraq?

    [PIE]AN independent commission set up by Congress with the approval of President George W Bush may recommend carving up Iraq into three highly autonomous regions, according to well informed sources.[/PIE]

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...393750,00.html

    And so the invaders,not content to invade a coutnrry and murder so many,not intend to cut a sovereign county thru their proxies.

    A sad day for this to happen.

    THe Ummah destroys itself by relying on othr for protectiona dn guide.
    The Ummah destroy itself by seeking wealth and safety thru western avenues.

    They are protectors of themsevles ony.
    It is written in the Quran but they wont read it.

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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

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    i feel that the reason why the majority of the people in the west feel that way is due to the fact that the media is promoting that thought-frame.
    I am continually amazed that some Muslims insist that the “Image Problem” is caused by the media and ignore the fact that terrorists are creating the news.
    i still feel that it is an attack on islaam
    I still feel that Islam attacks the West.
    Man's naturally hasty, so he'll try to grasp whatever he can, even if it take's someone else's life in the process.
    Well now we have something we can agree on. By the way Muslims also have “Man’s natural” aspects.
    But the muslim's are trialled so Allaah Almighty may expiate their sins in this world,
    All Muslims’? I think not! Some Muslims? I think so!
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    It wouldnt suprise me if Iraq is to be split.
    The age old tactic of Divide and Conquer
    Have us fighting with each other for land and power for decades.
    Same happened with parts of Africa, India/Pakistan etc. etc.
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    Why will they be a 'threat'? If that is the case, why is the course you accuse the Americans of taking the wrong one from their perspective?

    The same way 'communism' was a threat. Anything that oppose's their law is a 'threat' - hence they feel they have to fight it.


    Hardly. How many Kurds and Marsh Arabs did Saddam slaughter?
    How much muslim's has the west killed? Within 5yrs? [Since 9/11?]



    Perhaps the best way for the Ummah to become stronger is actually to stand up and accept its share of responsibility once in a while? Iraqis are killing Iraqis. Blaming it on some fictional Western plot is a rather sad way of denying that responsibility.

    The best way for the ummah to become stronger is by actually having an islamic state, which the majority desire. This is what the west hates, due to the fact that it will be another superpower, because the population of the muslim's is over 1billion. However, if the muslim's strive for this - their 'extremists.'



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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    Hi wilberhum.


    I am continually amazed that some Muslims insist that the “Image Problem” is caused by the media and ignore the fact that terrorists are creating the news.

    Maybe this wouldn't happen if the muslim's from them countries weren't up for revenge?


    I still feel that Islam attacks the West.

    Due to the fact that they set foot in muslim land's, with a bad intention. I feel it's kinda like a repetitive cycle.



    Well now we have something we can agree on. By the way Muslims also have “Man’s natural” aspects.

    I agree, that's a good point. But we believe in paradise, so a true believer's desire isn't to grasp everything of this world. It's to earn Allaah's Mercy to enter paradise in the hereafter. Whereas the disbeliever only ever think's of this world, so the desire may be much stronger.



    All Muslims’? I think not! Some Muslims? I think so!

    Every single person is trialled, even you are. The difficulties you have in life are a mean's for you to get closer to the Creator, because man is created weak. In time's of hardship - you may realise that there is no-one to turn to beside's Allaah. He will help you, if you are sincere insha'Allaah.




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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    I feel it's kinda like a repetitive cycle.
    Wow, agreement again. It is a repetitive cycle; it has been repeated since there were two tribes.
    But we believe in paradise, so a true believer's desire isn't to grasp everything of this world.
    True Believer? If by that you mean every one of every faith who truly believes, then I agree.
    the disbeliever only ever think's of this world
    If by disbeliever you mean atheists, then again we agree. That is as long as you don’t have the bigoted attitude that atheists don’t have morals.
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    That's an end to the discussion then lol.



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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hanif_Revert View Post
    It wouldnt suprise me if Iraq is to be split.
    The age old tactic of Divide and Conquer
    Have us fighting with each other for land and power for decades.
    Same happened with parts of Africa, India/Pakistan etc. etc.
    Of course, it was a famous doctrine in colonial time

    Encouraged and Aided Shiite Muslims and Kurds to Rebel Against the Government of Iraq Causing Fratricidal Violence, Emigration,Exposure, Hunger and Sickness and Thousands of Deaths. After the Rebellion Failed, the U.S. Invaded and Occupied Parts of Iraq Without Lawful Authority in Order to Increase Division and Hostilities Within Iraq
    This is the modern version but its more deadly with the new special tools at hand,its a U.N.

    In his mad rush to war, Defendant Bush caused the United Nations to completely bypass Chapter VI of the U.N. Charter that mandates the specific settlement of international disputes. Defendant Bush consistently rejected and ridiculed all of Iraq's efforts to negotiate a peaceful resolution of the dispute. Defendant Bush proudly boasted that there would be no negotiation, no compromise, no face-saving, etc.
    U.N on action.

    Defendant Bush repeatedly coerced the members of the United Nations Security Council into adopting an unprecedented series of resolutions that culminated in his securing authority for any nation to use "all necessary means" to enforce these resolutions. To secure these votes in the Security Council, Defendant Bush paid multi-billion-dollar bribes; offered arms for regional wars; threatened and carried out economic retaliation; illegally forgave multi-billion-dollar loans; offered diplomatic relations despite human rights violations; and in other ways corruptly exacted votes. This illegal activity subverted and perverted the very Purposes and Principles of the United Nations Charter itself found in articles 1 and 2 thereof.
    Bush Corrupted the United Nations.

    But the success of the Arab oil boycott led several prominent U.S. government officials in the Nixon administration, and especially Henry Kissinger, to publicly threaten that the United States government would prepare itself to seize the Arab oil fields in order to prevent something like the boycott from ever happening again. This illegal governmental threat was stated openly, publicly, and repeatedly during the course of the Nixon administration, the Ford administration, the Carter administration, and the Reagan administration. The Bush administration would finally be the ones to carry this threat out. But only after a decade of active preparations.
    Why Iraq,not the North Korea or Sudan,obviously the main reason war on Iraq is the Oil posession for U.S.

    http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis19.html

    http://www.islamicboard.com/515637-post23.html
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    when the Kurds are sunni.
    Then why did the Sunni Saddam gas Kurds if they were "Sunni"?
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by therebbe View Post
    Then why did the Sunni Saddam gas Kurds if they were "Sunni"?
    Why do you think Saddam cared about anything other than Saddam?
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by starfortress View Post

    Why Iraq,not the North Korea or Sudan,obviously the main reason war on Iraq is the Oil posession for U.S.

    http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis19.html

    http://www.islamicboard.com/515637-post23.html

    i think that goes without saying
    Iraq: Split to 3

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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    Its not the west or american fault muslims in iraq are killing each other. Muslims are at fault for killing each other in Iraq. Blaming America or west is the easy way out to prove to others its not muslims.
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by Islamicboy View Post
    Its not the west or american fault muslims in iraq are killing each other. Muslims are at fault for killing each other in Iraq. Blaming America or west is the easy way out to prove to others its not muslims.
    It is always good to hear a reasonable voice. Good on you.
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah
    How much muslim's has the west killed? Within 5yrs? Since 9/11?
    The answer is NIL.

    Killing is against Islam.

    So when a US soldier shoots a killer that killer could not possibly have been a Muslim, just a killer.
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98 View Post
    The answer is NIL.

    Killing is against Islam.

    So when a US soldier shoots a killer that killer could not possibly have been a Muslim, just a killer.

    Killing isn't against islaam, killing a life that Allaah Almighty has made sacred is against islaam.


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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post
    Killing isn't against islaam, killing a life that Allaah Almighty has made sacred is against islaam.


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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    Has Allaah Almighty made my life sacred?

    The one's who believe in Allaah and His sign's, they are sacred in the sight of Allaah Almighty.




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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post
    The one's who believe in Allaah and His sign's, they are sacred in the sight of Allaah Almighty.




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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    But what about me? I don't believe in Allaah.

    Doesn't the above answer your question? Anyway, you do actually believe in a Creator. So you're one out of three step's closer to believing compared to an atheist.

    Now all you gota do is to accept that None is worthy of worship except Allaah - the Creator, and to believe in His beautiful Name's and Attributes.



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    Doesn't the above answer your question?
    NO. That is why I repeated it.
    It is really a simple yes or no question.
    Pelase give me a yes or no answer.
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    Re: Iraq: Split to 3

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever says Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (there is none worthy of worship besides Allaah) and rejects everything that is worshipped instead of Allaah, his property and his blood will be sacred [i.e., it is forbidden to seize his property or shed his blood] and his reckoning will be with Allaah.” (Narrated by Muslim).


    In order for his property and his blood to be protected, he must, in addition to saying Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah, also reject whatever is worshipped instead of Allaah, no matter who or what it is.

    http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref...eng&txt=sacred



    So from there, if you don't actually believe that Allaah alone is worthy of worship, then it may be that your life isn't sacred in the sight of Allaah. Because the whole purpose of Allaah creating you was so that you obey Him, but if you turn away from that, then one is putting their desire's (i.e. wealth, or another form of law) before the law of Allaah, which may be a form of associating partner's with Him, Almighty.



    “And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allaah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him)…”

    [al-Bayyinah 98:5]




    “Whoever brings a good deed (i.e. belief in the Oneness of Allaah along with every deed of righteousness), will have better than its worth; and they will be safe from the terror on that Day”

    [al-Naml 27:89]



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