Why is it that Muslims are fighting each other and not joined together to get the invaders out of Iraq?
Religion of Peace? or Religion of War and Vengeance?
Why is it that Islam always has had bloody borders?
BAGHDAD,
Iraq — ...Mortars are quickly becoming the weapon of choice as Sunnis and Shiites fight it out in Baghdad. Having mortar rounds fall like rain is now a daily occurrence in some parts of the Iraqi capital.
Throughout Baghdad and in towns and villages within a 50-mile radius, whole populations have shifted as Shiite and Sunni flee violence from death squads and suicide bombers to the safety of places where their Islamic sect is the majority.
But as this physical separation between Sunni and Shiite grows, the mortars cut that gap, allowing sectarian fighters to fire into a district from a distance.
All I can say is that the only way a person can understand, is to have lived in a war zone. During times of upheaval there is very much confusion. It becomes difficult to recognise who is friend and who is foe.
This is not a confrontation of ideologies it is a battle of survival. War and poverty brings out the best and the worse in people. It is very easy to see everybody as being a potential enemy. Comunication becomes disrupted. Lies become viewed as truth and truth gets distorted to seem to be lies.
we can not condemn anything until we have lived in the situation. We can not understand until we know what forces are driving each person.
Why is it that Islam always has had bloody borders?
I think you could write that statement again and ask why does mankind always seem to have bloody borders.
Probably the majority of Iraqi people have lost a family member, friend or acquaintance, or know someone who has lost their home or livelihood due to this war. How does that person seek justice, do they go down to the local police station and report a murder.
Probably the majority of people will not feel as if justice has been done to put some kind of closure on a grave injustice.
Sadly the way justice is served most often is by killing members of the opposition. This has very little to do with any religion it is in human nature to seek justice.
Sadly I believe the British and American forces invaded Iraq without a just cause, they have bungled the peace, probably leaving Iraq in a worse situation than it was in before the invasion.
You have to look at the situation from an individual stand-point. Islam is a religion of peace because that's how our rules are laid out, but not everyone follows all the rules.
Like Eric said, its a human problem, not an ideological problem. By your own admittion, you're saying that Islam is a religion of war -- where in the Quran does it say 'war constantly'?
Unless you go around Iraq interviewing its nearly 30 million citizens, no one will ever know...
"This world is a blank price tag, and whatever value you put on it, is what its worth to you. I have made this world priceless and worthless, so therefore I have placed my value in the afterlife."
Saddam use to kill shias and sunnis didnt do anything. Now saddam is gone shia are in power and they are getting revenege. Sunnis see that as a attack on them they go back and kill and it goes round and round. Saddam killed shia because iraq and iran war. << There thats why they are killing each other.
Saddam was secular he had no connections to religion as i seen his statues which are haram. he thought of himself more then a human as far as i see. Astagfurillah
He was a dictator sunnis couldnt even rise up agiasnt him either or they be killed too. Al Qaeda always wanted to take saddam out they hated saddam.
In order for Bush to depose Saddam, thousands of Iraqis were killed in the process.
To me that does not seem a just way to put things right, it has created further injustice, and thousands more will probably die before any peace can be achieved.
Why is it that Muslims are fighting each other and not joined together to get the invaders out of Iraq?
Because, despite the extremists' spin, they all know perfectly well that the "invaders" are no such thing, just want to get the heck out as soon as it is politically acceptable and are not a long-term threat.
In the meantime, assorted ethnic and political interest groups are quite happy to use violence to further their own agendas in the sure knowledge far too many people will assume they are all 'heroic' insurgents and Jihaadists, and that assorted acts such as placing bombs in crowded markets is somehow aimed at the Americans rather than other Iraqis. Quite how is never made clear.
lol islam has had a bloody border? blacks slaves,indian slaves,native american genocide,vietnam....should i go on?
lets see how many islamic countries have made people suffer and how many western countries have made people suffer i guarntee western countries have done far worse...
"why does islam have such bloody borders?"
dunno guess the crusades were planned by the muslims hey?
when it stated in the quran that there would be hypocrits all i can say is i had no idea it would be this bad!?
i mean how many have others met!?? its amazing the power of blindness...
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lol islam has had a bloody border? blacks slaves,indian slaves,native american genocide,vietnam....should i go on?
lets see how many islamic countries have made people suffer and how many western countries have made people suffer i guarntee western countries have done far worse...
"why does islam have such bloody borders?"
dunno guess the crusades were planned by the muslims hey?
when it stated in the quran that there would be hypocrits all i can say is i had no idea it would be this bad!?
i mean how many have others met!?? its amazing the power of blindness...
What "crusades" are you referring to? Also, the point is not what Muslim countries have done historically, it is about the present day. The chaos can't be pinned all on the U.S., as convenient as that might sound to many. The Middle East is a bloodbath and has been for quite some time.
What "crusades" are you referring to? Also, the point is not what Muslim countries have done historically, it is about the present day. The chaos can't be pinned all on the U.S., as convenient as that might sound to many. The Middle East is a bloodbath and has been for quite some time.
yes yes its a bloodbath and its beacuse muslims just start fighting eachother hey!?
what crusade? pick one...
how many times keltoi!? your in such denial that its sick did you hear the part about hypocrits?
the first post was about how islams borders and how bloody they are?
what the heck!?
as i stated the borders of western lands are bloody with the blood of others so its hilarious when fingers are pointed at islam!?
media is a wonderful thing...
oh will you wake up?? its all about protecting the USA with you!??
if a US soilders does anything "oh no that didnt happen"
if it was a us soilder torturing someone it never happend???
dude will you pls wake up!
but you wont know why cos you and many in the west THINK they know what they are on about but the lack of logic in your debates and the blatent ignorance of what you and the west have done to so many innocents genocide,rape,economic control to this day!!
and then you have the audacity of wasting time by talking of blood on our borders!?? hey!??
once you in the west have raped and killed and stolen all you can and set up your economics in favour for yourselves then you start talking of blood that is being spilt and why its being spilt!????
whatever hypocrits!
how many times has it been explained yet you only ignore!??
pathetic...
yeah yeah blood on our borders oh those muslims how messed up they are whatever...
your in the middle east and your killing innocent left right and centre and you happily blame muslim insurgents for the deaths of there own yeah yeah in afgan and palastine and iraq muslims just went nuts and started killing eachother!!
dream kid keep dreaming...yeah US soilders dont torture they dont beat they dont rape they dont use electrical torture....
do me a favour keltoi instead of chatting rubbish and wasting all our time as usual get your head out the sand and go do some research!
cos i tell you straight boy im sick of explaining to you and people like you!
denial and ignorance how messed up are you...
Last edited by Rou; 11-13-2006 at 08:44 PM.
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Perhaps instead of slinging insults when you are losing an argument, you could take a deep breath and try making a valid point. Insults are a clear sign that you are nearing the end of your ability in debate.
Maybe u should quit it Gary, you have too much on your mind. Its only invalid when it doesnt fit a persons mindset, like yours. This is like the third thread you've said this. Broken record? Yeap.
Your not any less of giving insults.
Last edited by Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн; 11-13-2006 at 08:57 PM.
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