but the ethiopians and darfurians are clearly aligned politically just like sudanese militias and somalia militias are. i would be highly suprised if there was not a high turn out of sudanese to help somalia, many of whome have blood on their hands in darfur.
Where do you get off making these absurd accusations? Sudan's 'arab' militia has NO religious ties or affiliations whatsoever. They have not once been mentioned by the Somali Islamic Courts, NOT ONCE. There was ONE peace meeting in Khartoum, and that's in the South in Sudan, which is majority non-Arab.
i have had trouble finding where they have condemned the genocide. perhaps you could show me otherwise, i could very well be wrong.
I never said they condemned them, I said that they didn't condone them. And why would the Darfur genocide be on the mind of Somalis? Two nations, two different issues. Its not a concern. If you care so deeply about the genocide, incorporate it into another thread, because its irrelevant.
incorrect. start in sudan, and cross through eritrea, and djibouti and you will get in somalia without ever having to cross through ethiopian soil..
Look at your map again. They'd have to cross both Puntland and Baidoa; the garrison of the Transitional Gov't and the crossing points of the Ethiopian convoy. The Islamic Militia have HQ in Mogadishu and have foreign divisions stationed in Kismayo. That's going to be one grueling and impossible trek for your fictional Sudanese militia.
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Oh for crying out loud. Is this a serious question? If you are not a Somalian, you have no business getting involved.Criminal charges should be layed against any person that does this. If they kill someone, it is murder. It is not their war.
you mean like the etheopian troops that there are approx between 8000 - 20000 there now or the US and UK as well as other western troops in iraq and afghanistan?
it seems to me that non muslims are on here trying to cause arguments and trouble between muslims, it would be better if the muslims ignored them and reported their posts for being off topic.
can we stick to the subject of somalia? if they want a discussion on anything else let them start their own thread.
Avert regional conflict or to cause regional conflict? Somalia has been an anarchistic state for coming onto 2 decades. As soon as they start to rebuild there national identity and try to reestablish a semblance of order. Countries such as ethiopia, supported by the western nations invade them and you support them?
Its ok for any nation to go and invade muslim lands and kill innocent muslim civilians but as soon as they start fighting back and asking for help, they are terrorists?
For two decades civil war has resulted in them killing themselves.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
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Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
For two decades civil war has resulted in them killing themselves.
That was the point i was trying to make Avar, Somalia as a nation has been in a very bad state, with terrible lawlessness and anarchy. I dont know anything about this new UIC (islamic courts), dont know how they came about, how they gained so much power etc. However, what i have seen from news reports here in the UK is that they have erradicated the lawlessness and anarchy. The warlords have been subdued and/or chased away. A semblance of order has returned, people are once again trying to live normal lives. However, the external forces of ethiopia have decided to enter somalia and lend there forces to the existing anarchistic warlord coalitions to prevent stability returning.
One example i will give of changes that i heard.
Before this new UIC people came to power in Mogadishu there were upwards of 200 gunshot wounds per month. Since the UIC came to power this fgure has fallen to below a 10th of that (20 or so) a month.
To me thats a better state of affair for normal civilians.
For 20 years the warlords ruled in an anarchistic state, now the west is trying to ensure the somali's remain in an anarchistic state for the next 20 years.
That was the point i was trying to make Avar, Somalia as a nation has been in a very bad state, with terrible lawlessness and anarchy. I dont know anything about this new UIC (islamic courts), dont know how they came about, how they gained so much power etc. However, what i have seen from news reports here in the UK is that they have erradicated the lawlessness and anarchy. The warlords have been subdued and/or chased away. A semblance of order has returned, people are once again trying to live normal lives. However, the external forces of ethiopia have decided to enter somalia and lend there forces to the existing anarchistic warlord coalitions to prevent stability returning.
One example i will give of changes that i heard.
Before this new UIC people came to power in Mogadishu there were upwards of 200 gunshot wounds per month. Since the UIC came to power this fgure has fallen to below a 10th of that (20 or so) a month.
To me thats a better state of affair for normal civilians.
For 20 years the warlords ruled in an anarchistic state, now the west is trying to ensure the somali's remain in an anarchistic state for the next 20 years.
as it is at the moment mogadishu has less gunshot wounds and killings than many major US cities...
seriously, check it out for yourself, the number of people shot and killed in US cities v the 20 woundings only in mogadishu,
ok that is likely to be seriously different if this war with etheopia gets any bigger and spreads but at the moment mogadishu is a lot safer than many places in the west with much much less crime.
I suggest you learn the geopolitical situation in Somalia before you post a map like that.
please dont bite to their provoracation, such individuals are only trying to cause fitnah amongst the muslims here so dont respond to their threads or diversions, just report them for being off topic and then leave it at that.
it seems to me that non muslims are on here trying to cause arguments and trouble between muslims, it would be better if the muslims ignored them and reported their posts for being off topic.
can we stick to the subject of somalia? if they want a discussion on anything else let them start their own thread.
assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
Who is doing this? (BTW - your post has been reported for being off-topic)
format_quote Originally Posted by Kswiss
I suggest you learn the geopolitical situation in Somalia before you post a map like that.
Which is a suggestion to speak on the politics as per the lay of the land and the borders. So as you have suggested, would you please follow up with some info as to the geopolitical lay of the land in Somalia?
This goes way beyond who can draw up the most troops. The Somalis and Ethiopians (many of whom, ironically enough, are ethnic somalis) have hated eachother for a long time...
You are factually wrong. The Somali lands (called Soomaali Galbeed by Somalis, meaning Western Somalia) are occupied by Ethiopia, given by then European colonial powers that divided Somalis into five parts. The Somalis that reside there never consider themselves to be so-called Ethiopian; they always are Somalis and are automatically guaranteed citizens of Somalia as well. They never participate in Ethiopian state affairs, the troops now attacking Somali towns aren't them, and in fact started waging guerilla warfare the day Ethiopians started occupying Somali lands. Also know the "border" is not internationally recognized, including the UN, thus being a provincial border. All official international maps show that, instead of long lines, the so-called "border" between Somalia and Ethiopia is dots.
When the Western media talks about the historical arch-rival and animosity between "Ethiopians" and Somalis, they are referring to the ruling class of Amhaars and Tigreys (which Somalis call Habash). Somalis do not even have a problem with Oromos (who are as well fighting to liberate their land called Oromia), Afars and other supressed ethnic groups that live there. Our historical enemy is Amhaar and Tigrey regimes, the advocators of occupation of Somali lands. Tigreys are now the ruling regime.
The Somali state engaged two wars supporting their occupied brethrens, one in newly upcoming Somali Republic without even a military force in 1964, and the other one, which Somalis beat quickly and recaptured all but two cities in 1977, until Soviet Union entered with thousands of Cuban soldiers and pilots with their jets, plus Yemeni, Libyan troops and other then communist regimes in the region that was forced by Soviets to help the Amhaars and Tigreys.
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