a good story mashallah though i am not sure the author intended it be seen as such.
muslims should help one another, the secularists send their troops to help each other all the time and when muslims do the same we are called terrorists.
however i think it only the fit and able somali muslims who were practicing and living in the west returned to somalia the war would be over very shortly.
No person that is not a Somalian has any right to fight there. If the UN sees this happening then they have a moral obligation to override whatever the wishes of the African Union and Somalian officials want, and step in and deal harshly with foreigners coming to fight.
It is unfortunate that the UN that is also foreigners would have to interfere, but it would be necessary. Foreigners coming to fight based solely on religious beliefs, have no right there.
I'm confused at something, I thought Somalia was like nearly 100% Muslim, so the Un backed other side of the goverment in Somalia are Muslims too??
Yes the other side is muslim too, but they are being supported by Ethiopia while the UIC wants more of the shariah based law system, while the interim government doesn't want that much of an "extreme" government. :confused:
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Why would a person not have that right? What if they have a spouse who is Somalian?
Oh for crying out loud. Is this a serious question?
format_quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi
What if they have a best friend who is Somalian and in trouble?
If you are not a Somalian, you have no business getting involved.Criminal charges should be layed against any person that does this. If they kill someone, it is murder. It is not their war.
No person that is not a Somalian has any right to fight there. If the UN sees this happening then they have a moral obligation to override whatever the wishes of the African Union and Somalian officials want, and step in and deal harshly with foreigners coming to fight.
It is unfortunate that the UN that is also foreigners would have to interfere, but it would be necessary. Foreigners coming to fight based solely on religious beliefs, have no right there.
format_quote Originally Posted by SilentObserver
Oh for crying out loud. Is this a serious question? If you are not a Somalian, you have no business getting involved.Criminal charges should be layed against any person that does this. If they kill someone, it is murder. It is not their war.
According to your logic bro, should these same criminal charges be layed against the ethiopians who are entering somali territories and the americans who are supporting the ethiopians in this war?
According to your logic bro, should these same criminal charges be layed against the ethiopians who are entering somali territories and the americans who are supporting the ethiopians in this war?
Any person that crosses the border without international support, yes. If the ethiopians are massing troops under the advisement of an international body, to deal with human rights issues brought about by the ICU takeover of the capital, and to avert a regional conflict, then I support this.
If it is done under the lone support of the US (which I doubt - please provide a link), then this is not something I support.
Any person that crosses the border without international support, yes. If the ethiopians are massing troops under the advisement of an international body, to deal with human rights issues brought about by the ICU takeover of the capital, and to avert a regional conflict, then I support this.
If it is done under the lone support of the US (which I doubt - please provide a link), then this is not something I support.
Avert regional conflict or to cause regional conflict? Somalia has been an anarchistic state for coming onto 2 decades. As soon as they start to rebuild there national identity and try to reestablish a semblance of order. Countries such as ethiopia, supported by the western nations invade them and you support them?
Its ok for any nation to go and invade muslim lands and kill innocent muslim civilians but as soon as they start fighting back and asking for help, they are terrorists?
With such views, no wonder we live in such a peaceful world!
Avert regional conflict or to cause regional conflict? Somalia has been an anarchistic state for coming onto 2 decades. As soon as they start to rebuild there national identity and try to reestablish a semblance of order. Countries such as ethiopia, supported by the western nations invade them and you support them?
Its ok for any nation to go and invade muslim lands and kill innocent muslim civilians but as soon as they start fighting back and asking for help, they are terrorists?
With such views, no wonder we live in such a peaceful world!
Settle down there fella, no need to shout.
Its ok for any nation to go and invade muslim lands and kill innocent muslim civilians but as soon as they start fighting back and asking for help, they are terrorists?
When things get worse, and the situation threatens to become more of a regional conflict, yes. You are misleading with the information presented in the way that you have. The situation has not improved since the ICU captured Mogadishu, as you seem to want us to believe.
they start fighting back and asking for help
They? "They" that are asking for help, are not the voice of somalians. They are one side in a civil war that is quickly turning regional.
Settle down there fella, no need to shout. When things get worse, and the situation threatens to become more of a regional conflict, yes. You are misleading with the information presented in the way that you have.
format_quote Originally Posted by SilentObserver
The situation has not improved since the ICU captured Mogadishu, as you seem to want us to believe. .
The situation has clearly improved if the lawlessness has been irradicated, which the news here in the UK shows has happened. The situation has improved if normal people can go about rebuilding there lives, as has again been shown here in the news.
format_quote Originally Posted by SilentObserver
They? "They" that are asking for help, are not the voice of somalians. They are one side in a civil war that is quickly turning regional.
If they are not the voice of somalians, they themselves being somalians, then who is to be the voice of the somalians, the invading Ethiopians? or there sponsors the americans (before you ask for proof again, this was also on ITN news earlier this evening)? No maybe its the UN who will 'save' the day after having allowed the ethiopians to illegally invade a neighbouring country and having killed potentially thousands?
If it wasnt for external interferance it wouldnt even be a civil war. With the interferance of the external nations it not only becomes a full blown civil war it can easily escalate into a regional war. So instead of seeing a nation rebuilding, we will instead see a nation in an even worse state.
The only people who will benefit from such a situation are the people whose business is to create the weapons of death.
If they are not the voice of somalians, they themselves being somalians, then who is to be the voice of the somalians, .
You again are misrepresenting the facts. They are some somalians in a wide conflict. There are many other somalians (who I agree are probably not happy with airstrikes from Ethiopia) who have been fighting against this group.
format_quote Originally Posted by netprince
If it wasnt for external interferance it wouldnt even be a civil war. With the interferance of the external nations it not only becomes a full blown civil war it can easily escalate into a regional war. So instead of seeing a nation rebuilding, we will instead see a nation in an even worse state.
To a limited extent this may be true. The Ogaden war in the late seventies was at times a battle of all the interfering countries, seemingly not Somalia or Ethiopia. Things never got better following this, and it was no surprise to see northern Somalia declare independance, hence, civil war.
format_quote Originally Posted by netprince
The only people who will benefit from such a situation are the people whose business is to create the weapons of death.
With this I agree 100%. If we can't agree on the details, at least we can agree on the outcome.
"Muslims are brothers and help each other. We have a right to call our brothers and sisters to help us in this holy war,"
The closest fighters are in Sudan but are to busy killing blacks in Darfur. They are the closest but I doubt they are available currently because they are just so busy.
Why has Somalia not condemned them? But condemns watching FIFA matches.
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The closest fighters are in Sudan but are to busy killing blacks in Darfur. They are the closest but I doubt they are available currently because they are just so busy.
Why has Somalia not condemned them? But condemns watching FIFA matches.
Sudan in itself is at civil war; its not about religion or race, its about culture. Both sides in the conflict are Black and both sides have significant Muslim populations. Its about oil and cultural dominance (Nubian vs. Arab).
And secondly, Somali militia asked for the help of foreign fighters, including Sudanese ones, and did not make exclusions as to who can and can't help; although they'd have to be Muslim.
And Sudanese militia aren't the closest. Do not forget that Eritrea, Djibouti, Tanzania, Kenya, and Ethiopia itself can provide militia to the Islamic Courts; as Ethiopia is one-half Christian and dominated by the powerful Orthodox sect.
But I do agree, the Sudan does have the most disposable number of militia at hand.
"This world is a blank price tag, and whatever value you put on it, is what its worth to you. I have made this world priceless and worthless, so therefore I have placed my value in the afterlife."
Sudan in itself is at civil war; its not about religion or race, its about culture. Both sides in the conflict are Black and both sides have significant Muslim populations. Its about oil and cultural dominance (Nubian vs. Arab).
And secondly, Somali militia asked for the help of foreign fighters, including Sudanese ones, and did not make exclusions as to who can and can't help; although they'd have to be Muslim.
And Sudanese militia aren't the closest. Do not forget that Eritrea, Djibouti, Tanzania, Kenya, and Ethiopia itself can provide militia to the Islamic Courts; as Ethiopia is one-half Christian and dominated by the powerful Orthodox sect.
But I do agree, the Sudan does have the most disposable number of militia at hand.
i am sure the sudanese arab militias would be willing to fight the ethiopians. i mean, they are willing to kill majority muslims who have the same ethnic backrounds as the ethiopians, and the ethiopians are majority christian.
i am sure the sudanese arab militias would be willing to fight the ethiopians. i mean, they are willing to kill majority muslims who have the same ethnic backrounds as the ethiopians, and the ethiopians are majority christian.
That makes very little sense and provides little resistance to my comment, it might actually even support my comment.
Lets start from the beginning.
Both sides fighting in Sudan's conflict are Muslim or have significant Muslim populations, and share closer ethnic ties than with Ethiopians. Ethiopians share a close blood link with Somalis, whereas Sudanese people are closer to Maurs, Chadians, and Berbers.
Sudan's 'Arab' militia is not condoned by the Somali Islamic Courts and it would also prove extremely tough because they'd have to CROSS Ethiopia!
And just about every single foreign fighter is from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and the gulf Arabian peninsula, all whom come through Kismayo's Aden Sea coastline, ruling it impossible for Sudanese militia to enter Somalia.
"This world is a blank price tag, and whatever value you put on it, is what its worth to you. I have made this world priceless and worthless, so therefore I have placed my value in the afterlife."
Both sides fighting in Sudan's conflict are Muslim or have significant Muslim populations
i mentioned that.
and share closer ethnic ties than with Ethiopians.
not politically.
Ethiopians share a close blood link with Somalis, whereas Sudanese people are closer to Maurs, Chadians, and Berbers.
but the ethiopians and darfurians are clearly aligned politically just like sudanese militias and somalia militias are. i would be highly suprised if there was not a high turn out of sudanese to help somalia, many of whome have blood on their hands in darfur.
Sudan's 'Arab' militia is not condoned by the Somali Islamic Courts
i have had trouble finding where they have condemned the genocide. perhaps you could show me otherwise, i could very well be wrong.
and it would also prove extremely tough because they'd have to CROSS Ethiopia
incorrect. start in sudan, and cross through eritrea, and djibouti and you will get in somalia without ever having to cross through ethiopian soil.
And just about every single foreign fighter is from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and the gulf Arabian peninsula,
really? i'm postive you do not have it down to an excat science. there is no true way to know if sudanese will respond and go or not.
all whom come through Kismayo's Aden Sea coastline, ruling it impossible for Sudanese militia to enter Somalia.
Sudan in itself is at civil war; its not about religion or race, its about culture. Both sides in the conflict are Black and both sides have significant Muslim populations. Its about oil and cultural dominance (Nubian vs. Arab).
Bingo. Jazak, bro, you've covered the issue for me. My own shaykh, Muhammad Nur Abdullah, is Sudanese by origin, and visited sudan with some local and national politicians and aid workers sometime back. One of the people he traveled with reported her surprise that the fighting is almost completely being done by blacks. When she read the news reports she thought that they meant "arab" as in ethnic arab, not linguistic arab. The only conflict in Sudan is between the arabic speaking blacks and the non arabic speaking blacks.
And secondly, Somali militia asked for the help of foreign fighters, including Sudanese ones, and did not make exclusions as to who can and can't help; although they'd have to be Muslim.
And Sudanese militia aren't the closest. Do not forget that Eritrea, Djibouti, Tanzania, Kenya, and Ethiopia itself can provide militia to the Islamic Courts; as Ethiopia is one-half Christian and dominated by the powerful Orthodox sect.
But I do agree, the Sudan does have the most disposable number of militia at hand.
This goes way beyond who can draw up the most troops. The Somalis and Ethiopians (many of whom, ironically enough, are ethnic somalis) have hated eachother for a long time, and engaging in jihad is, in this instance, the wrong way to go about things. After over a decade of lawlessness in mogadishu, the UIC have finally restored some semblance of order. If the UIC played their cards right, they could force the Baidoa government into obsolesence by being the more productive and dominant of the two. Eventually, foreign governments (including the ethiopians) would be forced to recognize the UIC as the sole legitimate power inside Somalia.
The interim goverment are composed of warlords backed by chiefly the U.S, the warlords that are answerable os seriouse human rights violation. I will not list the crime.
Once the Islamic court came into power, the warlords grouped and formed the so called interim goverment. They brought support from the U.S and accuse the Islamic goverment to belong to al-qaeda and running a terrorsit goverment (Bush Crap).
The U.S backed interim goverment being devotedly pushed, are trying to get foreign troops under the guise of the U.N and the political word "peace force" mainly consisting of African nations (let them do the dirty work). Let U.S handle the politics in the middle east. They wan't Democracy, Freedom. (being Ironic)
The issue is they (U.S backed warlords) have resorted to calling the Ethopian troops (just to add flavor let's call them their christian pillow friend) to be sent into somalia for whatever it serves the foreign purpose.
Frankly it the war won't do any good to somalia or the ethopian.
Do you see common traits mostly in the middle east?
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