KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- Military investigators from two countries are looking into two separate crashes that killed eight NATO soldiers and injured 27 yesterday in southern and eastern Afghanistan.
The worse accident involved a coalition CH-47 Chinook helicopter that crashed in the Shahjoy district of Zabul province, roughly 270 km northeast of Kandahar.
The chopper, carrying 22 U.S. service members, suffered a sudden, unexplained loss of power and crashed near the main highway to Kabul.
"The loss of these service members is felt by all of us here in Afghanistan, and we offer our deepest sympathy to the families of those who were killed," said Lt.-Col. David Accetta, a coalition spokesman.
The U.S. military emphasized that the cause of the crash was believed to be mechanical and not due to hostile action, although the aircraft was carrying troops meant to counter an expected militant operation.
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"It was not enemy-fire-related," said Col. Tom Collins, a spokesman for NATO in Kabul. "The pilot was able to radio in that he was having engine problems. We're confident it was not due to enemy action."
The eight dead and 14 injured in the chopper early yesterday followed the crash of three Canadian armoured vehicles on the pre-dawn streets of Kandahar.
Thirteen Canadian soldiers suffered minor injuries early yesterday when their LAV III fighting vehicles smashed into one another. The accident happened when a convoy of recently arrived combat troops was moving between bases, said Maj. Dale MacEachern, a spokesman for the Canadian Forces.
All of the injured were treated at the nearby medical clinic at the Canadian-run provincial reconstruction base, but six of them were transferred by air to the NATO hospital at Kandahar Airfield.
Details on the collision were not released and military police were investigating.
As Usual the Kuffar always lie about their ways, this is the Mujahideen Side of the Story...
A Helicopter of invaders troops shoot downed in Helmand
Qari M Yousuf
Yesterday Mujahideen of Emarat Islamic with antiaircraft weapon fired and shot down a Helicopter of invaders which was going for the military apparitions between Grishk and Sangen districts of Helmand province .
After a incident it was going to there base and there were no correct details about the location of this incident and travelers of the Helicopter .
Possible it was that Helicopter which invaders claimed suffered Malfunctions,
You've made that point abundantly clear. Not sure what you're doing on a Muslim forum or why, seeing as you don't care about these people, you'd even care if they had a civil war, but I'm sure you have your reasons.
But you do have your surreal moments:
Keltoi Quote: One thing you do not want to see first thing in the morning before coffee is an Apache gunship with bad intentions.
It was amusing at the time only because I happened to be wearing a T-shirt that read: Just give me my coffee... and no one gets hurt. But if the people (yourself included) vye for one side or the other, the format is presented much like a football game. The fact that you're so satisfied about your "side" is disturbing, but I've grown accustomed to this from the Americans. I haven't had to deal with much of it from the various parties who are involved in the war. For the most part, the Sunnis in Iraq have asked questions like: What do you expect us to do? or What do you think we should do? or the infamous argument-ender: What would you do? And I have to admit, all three of these questions have me stumped.
They have produced, what I consider to be, justification for their various responses, but they have made it abundantly clear that they're open to advice. For this, they certainly have one up on President Bush, who has done nothing but refuse advice when it interferes with his agenda, regardless of who it comes from. They also have one up on the side-liners who seem to feel they're enjoying themselves.
And when I say I've grown accustomed to the Americans, I mean the civilians and the talking heads on TV. You don't get much of this from the soldiers themselves. In fact, some very substantial testimony has been published, that casts the U.S. involvement in Iraq in a very nasty light. But, much like President Bush, you're perfectly willing to ignore the bulk of it to protect his agenda.
Ninth Scribe
As for the discussion on the Apache attack helicopter, I wasn't celebrating anyone's death. I didn't see any of it as a "victory", which is what was being put forward here. I used humor in a discussion about how frightening it would be to wake up to a helicopter attack at dawn. I have never celebrated anyone's death, nor do I consider each death a "little victory", as a certain poster stated. It has nothing to do with being "satisfied" with my side. I'm completely unsatisfied with the civilian leadership's decisions and goals.
As for "protecting" President Bush's agenda, I'm not sure what your point is or how you came to that rather dubious conclusion. The fact that I don't support an immediate pullout has nothing to do with Bush, but about keeping our promises to the Iraqis who have placed their trust in the U.S. presence, at least those that have done so, and to uphold our responsibilities in stabilizing an unstable situation.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
The fact that I don't support an immediate pullout has nothing to do with Bush, but about keeping our promises to the Iraqis who have placed their trust in the U.S. presence, at least those that have done so, and to uphold our responsibilities in stabilizing an unstable situation.
The Iraqis? What Iraqis? The country was stable before the invasion. The invasion is what caused it to become unstable. The promises you want to keep are to a government who behaves no differently than Zarqawi - and has proved it on more than one occassion! I knew they could do that much for me. Keltoi, I would have to pound down 60 mgs of methadone just to figure out how to see through those closed eyes the way you do. You actually believe all this dribble. This country was founded by a bunch of rich, aristocratic, slave-owning, white men... who didn't want to pay their taxes. That's what they're trying to shovel to the rest of the world.
But that's ok. It's not like you and I have to listen to each other. We don't even have to like each other. You just keep rambling about the great USA - I'll be over here - counting the copters.
Ninth Scribe
Last edited by Ninth_Scribe; 02-23-2007 at 12:31 AM.
The Iraqis? What Iraqis? The country was stable before the invasion. The invasion is what caused it to become unstable. The promises you want to keep are to a government who behaves no differently than Zarqawi - and has proved it on more than one occassion! I knew they could do that much for me. Keltoi, I would have to pound down 60 mgs of methadone just to figure out how to see through those closed eyes the way you do. You actually believe all this dribble. This country was founded by a bunch of rich, aristocratic, slave-owning, white men... who didn't want to pay their taxes. That's what they're trying to shovel to the rest of the world.
But that's ok. It's not like you and I have to listen to each other. We don't even have to like each other. You just keep rambling about the great USA - I'll be over here - raining helicopters.
Ninth Scribe
Yeah, you hate the U.S....that his obvious. Thanks for your contributions.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Is the killing of these people in the helicopter any worse than raping a woman?
To me, the helicopter pilot is not a civilian and was engaged in a battle for what ever reason the U.S. sees fit to trump up. Correction: 'I' believe it was a trump! Based on other information I have, I have made a judgement call. I expect the Iraqis to defend themselves from, what I believe to be, an illegal invasion. Who they choose for allied champions is not my concern.
I don't agree with Al Qaeda's vision of Islam only because, to be blunt, Shariah cannot be installed upon the whole of the Earth while there are currently disputes between the Muslims themselves on exactly what Shariah is. That is my only bone of contention. Their argument against Israel has some merit, their complaint against the Shia in Iraq has some merit, and their methods in battle are no different than U.S. standards. I did want to challenge them on the decree allowing innocents to be killed in the name of war, but I'm not in any position to require that while my own soldiers are there with identical orders. I pity the civilians as much as anyone else does, but regardless of whose side you're on, their lives were written off as forfeit the moment Shock and Awe was initiated. That is what named Iraq a battle-field.
I'm actually past caring about who started the war, but I don't believe America will win it.
Ninth Scribe
Last edited by Ninth_Scribe; 02-24-2007 at 02:49 AM.
I don't agree with Al Qaeda's vision of Islam only because, to be blunt, Shariah cannot be installed upon the whole of the Earth while there are currently disputes between the Muslims themselves on exactly what Shariah is.
So when the disputes between the Muslims themselves on exactly what Shariah is, you will agree with Al Qaeda's vision of Islam?
Power to the people. Power to the opressed! Time and Time Again! Down with the agressors, down with the state terrorsit!
Afghanistan is not a simple case. Different groups of Muslims had been fighting eachother for over a decade already before the Americans intervened. The Americans didn't even do the majority of the fighting, this was done by local allies. Afghanistan is not a country that is united behind the Taliban.
If it is:
Why was there a civil war going on before the Americans showed up in 2001?
Why did millions upon millions of Afghan refugees which fled in the last few decades return to their homes after the fall of the Taliban? More than 5.5 million refugees returned since 2001! Approximately 3.5 remain abroad. (Source UNHCR)
Why did a majority of the Afghans turn out to vote in both the Presidential and Parliamentary elections in 2004 and 2005? Why did a majority of these vote for the current president? These elections were both monitored by the UN, which has lots of experience on this. If people wanted the Taliban to return and rejected the new government and institutions, why did they go out and vote? Why did the people not boycot the elections? (Source)
Why have opinion polls in Afghanistan showing over and over that the Taliban are not popular at all? Why do people consider the Taliban the biggest threat to Afghanistan? Why did a 2005 poll show that a whopping 87% considered the ouster of the Taliban a good thing? Even the Pashtun interviewed believed so. Why do people feel secure everywhere in Afganistan, except in the south, where the Taliban are frequently on the offensive? If the Afghan national army and the coalition forces are so bad, why do people feel only insecure in the areas in which the Taliban is active? Why are people becoming less optimistic the stronger the stronger the Taliban gets? (Source 2006 BBC World Poll PDF, 2005 Poll)
None of these indicators make any sense if you view the Taliban as a liberation movement with popular support. At best they have some support among the Pashtun in the south. But it appears clear to me, both by actual voting, voting by using their feet (return of refugees) and polls that Afghans do not want to be liberated by the Taliban. They want peace, something that is pretty much only absent in the Kandahar and Helmand provinces at the moment, which happen to be the provinced in which the Taliban is still very active.
Look, if you disagree, you'll have to come up with information showing you are right. Information which shows that the Taliban really have majority support, that the Afghans are truly waiting to be liberated. Just because you would want to live under Taliban rule does not mean the majority of the Afghans agree.
As a mod I do appreciate your kind concerns and suggestions as to how to moderate. However, since I am basically very lazy and do not like to read, Please make it easy on me and use the report button to express your concerns about a specific post.
A few threads have been deleted. Now let us return to the topic.
Its a shame that regular Afghani soldiers can beat the crap out of a navy seal. Thats pretty embarrassing. US should quit just because of this humiliation. Just imagine if the Afghan soldiers were actully trained to fight.
I bet face to face a navy seal cannot stand up against a Afghani Mujahid. Pretty much all American/British/Infedel soldiers are a bunch of cowards I would say. Yea.
The people who cry about freedom are slaves to their own desires. I am a slave of my Exalted and Merciful Rabb, Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Alhamdulillah
Its a shame that regular Afghani soldiers can beat the crap out of a navy seal. Thats pretty embarrassing. US should quit just because of this humiliation. Just imagine if the Afghan soldiers were actully trained to fight.
I bet face to face a navy seal cannot stand up against a Afghani Mujahid. Pretty much all American/British/Infedel soldiers are a bunch of cowards I would say. Yea.
In hand to hand combat you mean? I seriously doubt that. The afghans are superb tactical fighters in mountainous terrain, but have not proven themselves at hand to hand combat. The american navy seals are skilled close contact fighters.
In hand to hand combat you mean? I seriously doubt that. The afghans are superb tactical fighters in mountainous terrain, but have not proven themselves at hand to hand combat. The american navy seals are skilled close contact fighters.
Skilled is an understatement.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
If you would like to 'debate' about Afhganistan or the taliban or even sharia law, please either create a new thread or use the search function and carry one on from there. This thread was originally a news report, so realistically there should be very little debating going on at all.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
If you would like to 'debate' about Afhganistan or the taliban or even sharia law, please either create a new thread or use the search function and carry one on from there. This thread was originally a news report, so realistically there should be very little debating going on at all.
Well, since the event is long over and the world is still spinning, there probably isn't much more to discuss on this topic.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
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