After months of having thousands of women and children being killed , tortured and raped - a group of fighters storm a hospital , take over a thousand hostages and threaten to blow it up if the war isnt stopped.
They get what they want from the hostage-taking which is a ceasefire and use it as a platform to end the brutal war a few months later.
Is the hostage-taking an act of terrorism??? Or a legitimate operation to end the murder of their people?
Keeping in mind that before the hostage-taking tens of thousands of women and children had been killed and raped - the hostage-taking stopped this mass-murder.
Before the hostage-taking a brutal war against a whole nation was happening - the hostage-taking stopped this too.
What do you think?
(I am referring to this one particular hostage-taking incident in the Russian town of Buddenyvosk)
Re: Hostage-Taking - Is this Terrorism or a Legitimate Operation?
the hostage-taking is an act of terrorism
Wrong does not justify wrong. The end does not justify the means.
Most, if not all the hostages had nothing to do with the problem.
Collectave punishment is wrong.
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I think anyone that willingly, consciously and freely enlists with the army to go impinge on the rights of other people under any banner deserve whatever in hell they have coming to them.... Insha'Allah rabena yizedhoum khosara fi'almwal wal'anfous..... Don't send your boys over there if you want them to keep their head.
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Re: Hostage-Taking - Is this Terrorism or a Legitimate Operation?
Wrong does not justify wrong. The end does not justify the means.
Most, if not all the hostages had nothing to do with the problem.
Collectave punishment is wrong.
Absolutely, it is terrorism. People become desperate, they lose perspective, they hate, but that doesn't make what they do right or moral
Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?
Re: Hostage-Taking - Is this Terrorism or a Legitimate Operation?
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
I think anyone that willingly, consciously and freely enlists with the army to go impinge on the rights of other people under any banner deserve whatever in hell they have coming to them.... Insha'Allah rabena yizedhoum khosara fi'almwal wal'anfous..... Don't send your boys over there if you want them to keep their head.
Re: Hostage-Taking - Is this Terrorism or a Legitimate Operation?
format_quote Originally Posted by Chechnya
Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?
No I think every Chechen should be killed. That will solve the problem.
Da, You think killing inocent people will solve the problem.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Chechnya
Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?
Do you seriously believe kidnapping people is going to save the Chechen people? No, it will only bring more violence and death to them.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
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No I think every Chechen should be killed. That will solve the problem.
You may be trying to be silly but to many Russians that comment wouldnt raise an eyebrow - theyve tried it before - are you part Russian?.
Da, You think killing inocent people will solve the problem.
Chechens didnt blow up the hostages in Buddenyvosk so there was no killing of innocent people but there was tens of thousands of dead innocents in Chechnya which is why this hostage-taking was so crucial.
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Do you seriously believe kidnapping people is going to save the Chechen people? No, it will only bring more violence and death to them.
Well you didnt answer my question - as for hostage-taking, it has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Chechen and eventually led them to freedom.
Re: Hostage-Taking - Is this Terrorism or a Legitimate Operation?
Good old “Tribal Thinking”.
Since a member of your tribe harmed a member of my tribe, every member of my tribe can harm any member of your tribe.
Chechnya, I know you justify killing innocent people, you have been doing that since you started the forum, but Purest Ambrosia, I’m disappointed at your approval of violence toward innocent people.
Re: Hostage-Taking - Is this Terrorism or a Legitimate Operation?
Chechnya, I know you justify killing innocent people, you have been doing that since you started the forum, but Purest Ambrosia, I’m disappointed at your approval of violence toward innocent people.
Do I?
What are you basing that on?
And btw apart from showing a little sacrasm, you have avoided answering my question/
Ill ask it again:
Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?
Re: Hostage-Taking - Is this Terrorism or a Legitimate Operation?
format_quote Originally Posted by Chechnya
Do I?
What are you basing that on?
And btw apart from showing a little sacrasm, you have avoided answering my question/
Ill ask it again:
Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?
If I remember right, you started out praising a “School Children Killer”.
When I say I do not supporting hostage-taking, I mean I do not support hostage-taking.
But since you support hostage-taking, I would assume that you would find it ok to rape, torture and murder hostages whose only crime is being Russian.
Re: Hostage-Taking - Is this Terrorism or a Legitimate Operation?
The first post is based on hindsight. For one thing, just because it worked before, doesn't necessarily mean it would work again. I mean, a certain country dropped nuclear bombs on a certain other country to help end a certain war, but that does not mean that tactic would necessarily work today.
My own personal view on war is that it is ugly by nature and should be avoided at all costs, but if it is inevitable, civilians must not deliberately or recklessly be made to suffer.
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Forgive me for sounding so mean, but how does that make sense?
You are saying that if a person came into your house, raped your mother, daughters and killed them later on, will you not go mad?
Infact, you'd be on the verge of suicide.
I support justice.
A crime is a crime. Whether you commit it here in canada, or you commit it in US or whether you commit it in russia, it is still a crime. (I do not mean all those sissy laws that the government issues to keep a leash on people)
Hostage crises is a direct cause of what happened to these people's pasts.
Do I blame them? ( I dont want to answer that)
You think on it yourself
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