This is why Turkey are part of the EU. They have more sense than the others.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Million Protesters Gather In Istanbul
Updated: 17:52, Sunday April 29, 2007
Up to a million protesters have gathered in Istanbul accusing the government of planning an Islamist state and demanding it withdraw its presidential candidate.
Despite the Istanbul protests and a threat from the powerful army to intervene in the election, Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul, architect of Turkey's EU membership drive, said he would remain the ruling AK Party's candidate for head of state.
The protesters flooded the streets of Turkey's largest city to priase the army and denounce Gul and Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, whose AK Party enjoys a huge parliamentary majority, as a threat to a secular order separating state and religion.
"Turkey is secular and will remain secular," they chanted.
"Turkey is under threat from the AK Party leadership. We will not be able to express our thoughts like this if they stay in power," said protester Cigdem Yilmaz, 22, a student.
Top Turkish businessmen called for early parliamentary elections, which the AK party would appear well placed to win.
Many secularists are worried by Gul's Islamist past and the fact his wife wears the Muslim headscarf banned in universities and public offices.
But the AK Party, which has vigorously pressed liberal reforms and European Union membership ambitions, since election in 2002, denies any secret agenda.
i think the hijab ban should be abolished. forbidding women to wear hijab in a muslim country has nothing to do with any rational version of secularism and is absurd.
again, turkey's version of secularism is almost a religion in itself.
i think anyone who believes in human rights would have to agree that women should be free to wear hijab.
ye really u r right....secularist regard secularism as a religion alternative for islam...if u r muslim u cannat be a secular....samely if you r a secular you cannot be a muslim..but it is inshallah in a near future that the minority banners of hijab in high deps of state will all be fired ,kicked from this beutiful country..
I think that all muslims in every muslim country should decide on their own, in which kind of state they want to live. If all muslims would choose living in sharia law, well, honestly i wouldnt care. Maybe i would be even happy. Muslims may live under most sharp laws on the whole world if they really want it. I just dont care because im not going to live in muslim country. If they dislike after some years, well, at least they wouldnt blame it on West.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
i am a Turkish, and i dont like the political movements in Turkey. But mosques are full of people, and a lot of mosques everywhere.....
I hope muslims will win as early as possible.....
gul is not a great leader, but i may accept, so i've to....
because he is selected now....
salam,
i think Gül is better than others,
He is tolarent,kind,calm,tries to keep logic,,and still young...
for my opinion,very old people must nt be in ruling countries,
be coz they did everythng they could n they have no passion anymore,,
like an old soccer player
You're right Gul is better than the others, everyone should pray that he comes to power and turns this land of evil acts back into an islamic state, its a muslim country and yet woman are kicked out of schools and unviersitys for wearing hijaab, people drink freely on the streets and still claim they are muslim, these 'muslims' need to get rid of their freestyle thinking and get their beleifs straight.
People don't mind turkish people being muslim but if they practise their beliefs, they won't be allowed to join the eu!
You're right Gul is better than the others, everyone should pray that he comes to power and turns this land of evil acts back into an islamic state, its a muslim country and yet woman are kicked out of schools and unviersitys for wearing hijaab, people drink freely on the streets and still claim they are muslim, these 'muslims' need to get rid of their freestyle thinking and get their beleifs straight.
People don't mind turkish people being muslim but if they practise their beliefs, they won't be allowed to join the eu!
salam aleykum bro,
i agree with you but not all the things u wrote,
please dont think that all the people drink alcohol or dont pray,or dont care about haram/halal...there are millions of people here in my country who tries to live as islam asks...
especially turks who lives in some other countries ,dont practice islam generally,,unfortunately...
You're right Gul is better than the others, everyone should pray that he comes to power and turns this land of evil acts back into an islamic state, its a muslim country and yet woman are kicked out of schools and unviersitys for wearing hijaab, people drink freely on the streets and still claim they are muslim, these 'muslims' need to get rid of their freestyle thinking and get their beleifs straight.
People don't mind turkish people being muslim but if they practise their beliefs, they won't be allowed to join the eu!
salams..
i think this thread has made it quite clear that no, turkey is not filled with all the non islamic acts it appears to be overriden with.so i will not bother to lecture on that....
you state that you prefer Gul to the others due to his will to turn turkey or 'land of evil acts' into an islamic state...
my friend...just because Gul is capable (in ur opinion) of turning turkey into an islamic state, it does not mean that it is his will to do so...i think youve skipped the point. the whole idea is that he is not trying to create an islamic state...thats not what he wants for turkey...noone wants that for turkey, especially turks.you can secure an islamic democracy with no need for the reinstitution of a calipahate.
he was the foreign affairs minister for years...what you imply with your idea of islamic state building is an isolationaist approach...turkey doesnt want that.turkey wants to prosper and move further into the western world, intact to its islamic identity.
we have established that Gul is "tolarent,kind,calm,tries to keep logic,,and still young..."-- again...who cares...so is my dad...
can we please remember that we are trying to debate whether or not Gul is a favourable leader for a very important country and nation...he is a rational thinker, he is fluent in english, he is well educated, he is a competent leader, he is a strategic and systematic practicioner of foreign law and order...he has a persuasive and mature speech pattern, he is ideologically set and opinionated, yet not proud enough to run down other peoples ideas...
thats what counts...not the fact that he is kind and looks good on tv.
about turks practicing their religion and thus not being able to enter the EU...my friend...you need to realise that the EU is not a toy or game. they are serious in what they do and what they want and if they beieve that they can benefit from turkey, theyw ill allow them to join regardless of the practices within...i agree to a certain extent with what u are tryin to say...
"especially turks who lives in some other countries ,dont practice islam generally,,unfortunately..."----Brother Abdilhan...hakkini helal et ama, i beg to differ...i understand that the general understanding in Turkey is that the turks in germany and europe and australia etc lose their identity...but in terms of practicing islam...they are as willing to prcatice as possible under the circimstances of the place in which they live....the ones which forget...it is barely their fault in most cases.
turks in turkey have the freedom to practice and enjoy their religion and hear the ezan five times a day etc...except secular laws such as the hijab, but in other countries, lets not forget that they are never reminded of their religion. never. there is no way of thinking about your religion.they are not priveleged with the facilities that the turks in turkey are...i know turks in other countries who need to pray in toilets and rubbish dumps...i know some who forget it was prayer time...i know some who have never probably seen anyone wearing a hijab in their lives...so lets not be unfair please.
i think that is all i wanted to say...sometimes we need to get over ourselves and the fact that we very patriotic about being turk and try and actually show and justify it in what we say...
that is all.
w/s.
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
sister sumeyye,i didnt wanna say that all the turks ,in abroad ,dont practise islam,,
especially in europe n us,many turks live like europeans,they go to pubs,discos,dating,etc... of course there must be many turks who wanna live as a true muslim,,,and i understand how hard their situation is,,may Allah help them inşaAllah,,,
but unfortunately i met many people from england,france,germany or Us,they say so...for them ,the main reason of Ottoman's collapsing was to not to be a european nation,and now they r trying to live like a european and this will brings many bad habits with itself,,,
i hope that they understand beauty of islam soon...inşaAllah,,amin...
dear malay bro;
we turks are mostly religious,but since 1920s many thngs ve been changed n some people tried to make us far from our blessed religion,and they achieved this somehow by changing the letters into latin,abolishing caliphate,law system,closing all medreses n religious schools and so on...
but they couldnt make us forget about our past,and we are awakening again,
especially among the youth,islam is uprising again alhamdulillah,,,
i dont expect that turkiye will return into an islamic state again,but at least we ll be a developed,free,tolarent muslim country again...
(inshaAllah)
Yes I agree with abdil han, sorry ,but just seeing so many of our turkish muslim brothers and sisters behaving in this way sometimes justs creates an overall bad image of them, but yes there must be many turkish muslims who are not like this.
ı hata nur serter,one of the great kuffars in turkey-the assitant dean of istanbul üni-....officially she is a muslim,but in real she does utmost effort to hinder islamic acts..
secularism is very different in turkey...islam n secularism are thought to be alternatives to each other...this is what problesm root from..
Any comment/news on the new president? The first lady wears traditional hijab right...but some people want to change her to wear modern hijab...thats what i heard...lol
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
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