Question: What's the fastest way to eliminate a group that speaks against you?
Answer: #1) Slip an 'al qaeda' operative into the group and the shut the entire group down because of terrorist related activity or just assasinate the leader w/out charge or trial.
Al Qaeda and terrorism are the new buzz words of the 21st century, and a really nice way for governments and countrys to silence freedom of speech.
This isn't just happening in the US... but even in 'muslim' countries. For example, in Imam Anwar Al Awlaki (lives of the prophets, the hereafter) was arrested in Yemen because of 'media reports that he had ties to 2 9/11 hijakers' http://www.saracen.nu/2006/11/06/bre...laki-detained/, yet no proof was ever given. Guilt by assumed association.
Isn't this a nice, sweet n' dandy way to silence your critics? You have a small muslim group that denounces a government for oppression and reminds us of the Laws Allah (swt) set on mankind..... a few months later, that group is shut down, leaders in custody because of 'suspicious' Al Qaeda related activity. Some ditzy blonde mentions it for 30 seconds on the evening news , hundreds of analysts affirm the threats al qaeda presents to the west, and average american joe believes every single word, after all we believe everything we read and everything we see on tv. Right?
You know what? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know 100% for sure what is going on in the world. Allah(SWT) only knows for sure what is happening to the world. I mean, there could be a handful of fanatics planning on blowing up the world somewhere. But i believe their numbers are less than what is made out to be.
you said what you just said, right? right
so what gives you that idea
In the U.S. it is against the law to stockpile weapons and it is against the law to have sexual intercourse with a minor....so the Branch Davidians were doing a little more than practicing free speech.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
You will notice that these people have been claiming attacks around the world, not just in the US, since 1993 (and maybe before that). It is strange to me the different views that are out there, no more than 2 weeks ago I was reading a post on this forum about how, these werent just a few little groups of people and that it was actually an extensive network that is building and preparing for an all out war with non muslims around the globe.
Seeing this post, and seeing how contradictory it is to previous posts shows how the opinions and views of Muslims are incredibly disorganized and different from place to place. I think this is the main reason that it is so hard for the average american, european, australian or otherwise to figure out what is going on. On one hand you have groups and groups of people who say we just want peace, on the other you have groups and groups of people saying that there will never be peace. The only thing here that is shared between the two is that it is only on Muslim terms that we can have peace. So how is the average person supposed to know whether there is a wolf to cry about or if it is just an old beaten dog crawling out of the woods?
In regards to this thread, "The boy who cried Al-Qaeda", I must say the author is awful naive about threats in the world today. Every week you see more people busted for plots on public areas, if we were to say, "oh these people are half way around the world and they cant touch us" we would be in the same position as we were in the pre 9/11 era, that is what we thought then. The mistake will not be made again, they wanted to be taken serious and now they are, and it is at the expense and demise of those around them, whose fault is it? Should there be no reaction to the events that have come to pass since 9/11? Should there be no reaction to the events prior to 9/11? Truth is 9/11 was the breaking point, these people have been around and commiting atrocites for decades, something must be done to show that our country will not continue to allow these attacks. I dont think this is a "Boy who cried wolf" situation, I think it is a "Wolf dressed as a sheep" situation.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Waco? Well, stockpiling weapons and taking adolescent girls as wives is a little more than free speech.
so much for the words 'alleged' and 'innocent until proven guilty'... these allegations were never proven and justified the FBI's unconstitional assult on american citizens.
face it, if you are a strong, smart individual with great influence to change the status quo, you will be silenced or 'offed'. examples that come to my mind in America include the death of remarkable civil rights leaders such as MLK or Malcom X, recent examples in other parts of the world include the death of that Russian Spy Alexander Litvinenko and the deportation of Anwar Al Awlaki (and eventual arrest) despite the fact that he was a born american citzen.
But now with this Al Qaeda thing, it's easy for any government around the world to take anybody they want. It's a week before the election? Let's find a video of our star Osama to scare the people into voting our way, and then we'll tell them that if they don't vote for us, they are voting for the terrorist.
Some middle easternish people are speaking some arabish language on an airplane? Lets make an example of them by having them escorted in handcuffs to airport security.... There's a strong muslim community somewhere? let's set a few of the young men up by planting an FBI agent into manipulating them into committing a crime.
“And so…” I say, the whole thing is based on religion and thank god I’m an atheist.
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, it reminds me Yusuf Estes, when he said that if you throw out an atheist from the airplane, he will scream "oh my Goddddddd" ...lolllllllllll
so much for the words 'alleged' and 'innocent until proven guilty'... these allegations were never proven and justified the FBI's unconstitional assult on american citizens.
face it, if you are a strong, smart individual with great influence to change the status quo, you will be silenced or 'offed'. examples that come to my mind in America include the death of remarkable civil rights leaders such as MLK or Malcom X, recent examples in other parts of the world include the death of that Russian Spy Alexander Litvinenko and the deportation of Anwar Al Awlaki (and eventual arrest) despite the fact that he was a born american citzen.
But now with this Al Qaeda thing, it's easy for any government around the world to take anybody they want. It's a week before the election? Let's find a video of our star Osama to scare the people into voting our way, and then we'll tell them that if they don't vote for us, they are voting for the terrorist.
Some middle easternish people are speaking some arabish language on an airplane? Lets make an example of them by having them escorted in handcuffs to airport security.... There's a strong muslim community somewhere? let's set a few of the young men up by planting an FBI agent into manipulating them into committing a crime.
Actually, the allegations against the Branch Davidians were proven. Before the assault by the ATF.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
How many terrorists does it take to inflict serious damage on a civilian population? It took 19 Al-Qaeda terrorists to kill 3,000 people. Obviously the world has to take the threat seriously. There are instances, of course, where people use this very real threat to further their own agendas, but that doesn't mean the threat doesn't exist.
the verdict is still out at who is the real culprit. Ii find it intrigueing that Bush and his cronies denied any further investigations into 9-11 and ran to war right away, and also how they failed to provide proof when demanded by talebans for the crime. I"ll show you the real 19 terrorists tonight.
format_quote Originally Posted by Hawa
It took one to lead to the deaths of over 700,000 INNOCENT people. Which terrorist should you fear more?
That is in iraq alone, what about pakistan border bombing of villagers and afghan, a nation rained with bombs day and night?
If you are going to make up a number...why not go long...1 million has much more impact.
Based on your more "cautious" figure, that is 470 every single day for 1500 days?????
They also include the number of people that starved to death under Saddams reign on the US too. Apparently we should still trade with people and give aid to people who threaten our country with WMD... It is our fault that no one, including the foreign terrorist (al-Qaeda and so on) didnt bother to step in and stop Saddams genocides, dictatorship and stealing of oil money. They could have saved their people then and looked good, but no they wait until the US comes in and removes the guy and then blame everything on everyone else as if they are holy warriors sent from God to blow up the marketplace and teach those big bad Kuffar of the west a lesson.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
If you are going to make up a number...why not go long...1 million has much more impact.
Based on your more "cautious" figure, that is 470 every single day for 1500 days?????
If you read the news more often it was 655,000 last time it aired on tv. you can bet it's 700,000 by now considering how generous the invaders are showering the bullets indiscriminately.
If you read the news more often it was 655,000 last time it aired on tv. you can bet it's 700,000 by now considering how generous the invaders are showering the bullets indiscriminately.
What news is that, sir? Have you ever heard of the old American television show, Mr. Ed? It chronicled the amazing adventures of a wise-cracking, talking horse. Only recently has it come to light that the talking horse was a fake! They would feed the beast oats and when he was chewing, a human actor would do the voice-over. This revelation has caused me to be a bit more circumspect about television.
Here is an anti-American website that attempts to record casualties from any source or cause based on published news stories.
On the low end they estimate 64,000 on the high end 70,000
Remember, the figure you advance means nearly 500 every day of the war. Instead of regurgitating something that has been fed you, engage your brain..,the thinking part I mean.
PS. Here is a picture of Mr. Ed (the one on the left). I am not sure, but I have my suspicions about hsi ability to play chess either.
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What news is that, sir? Have you ever heard of the old American television show, Mr. Ed? It chronicled the amazing adventures of a wise-cracking, talking horse. Only recently has it come to light that the talking horse was a fake! They would feed the beast oats and when he was chewing, a human actor would do the voice-over. This revelation has caused me to be a bit more circumspect about television.
Here is an anti-American website that attempts to record casualties from any source or cause based on published news stories.
On the low end they estimate 64,000 on the high end 70,000
Remember, the figure you advance means nearly 500 every day of the war. Instead of regurgitating something that has been fed you, engage your brain..,the thinking part I mean.
PS. Here is a picture of Mr. Ed (the one on the left). I am not sure, but I have my suspicions about hsi ability to play chess either.
I couldn't help but wonder if you were talking about yourself or "mr ed" while falling half asleep reading your speal. Since your source of information seems to be the white house or your limited friends and their limited intelligence, so lets see if we can help you see a bit clear...
I stand by the figure that a lot of innocent people have lost their life... and that troubles me, and it grieves me. (but it won't stop him from killing more, btw saddam allegedly killed 250,000 in 20yrs compared to what this moron did in 3yrs)
President George W Bush
I couldn't help but wonder if you were talking about yourself or "mr ed" while falling half asleep reading your speal. Since your source of information seems to be the white house or your limited friends and their limited intelligence, so lets see if we can help you see a bit clear...
I stand by the figure that a lot of innocent people have lost their life... and that troubles me, and it grieves me. (but it won't stop him from killing more, btw saddam allegedly killed 250,000 in 20yrs compared to what this moron did in 3yrs)
President George W Bush
Each of those links is a report on the same exact survey, all from the same study. There have been many many many other studies that have found a far lower figure. Also lets not forget that the insurgents kill far more civilians per day than US soldiers. You are making it out to be Bush's fault that the insurgents cant quit blowing up markets and schools. Perhaps this figure is true, perhaps it is not, there is certainly enough other studies to debunk this one, however either way it is not Bush's fault the insurgents act as they do and for you to claim that he has taken each of these lives is preposterous and misleading. Again you show how you only look with one eye, one survey, one set of opinions
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Each of those links is a report on the same exact survey, all from the same study. There have been many many many other studies that have found a far lower figure. Also lets not forget that the insurgents kill far more civilians per day than US soldiers. You are making it out to be Bush's fault that the insurgents cant quit blowing up markets and schools. Perhaps this figure is true, perhaps it is not, there is certainly enough other studies to debunk this one, however either way it is not Bush's fault the insurgents act as they do and for you to claim that he has taken each of these lives is preposterous and misleading. Again you show how you only look with one eye, one survey, one set of opinions
Each of those reports reported by different outlet shows the validity of it, and of course you may be able to find some trash by DC to debunk it even when the sites given there are quite reputable.
The "insurgents" are freedom fighters, who are fighting an army that invaded that land and is occupying it. By international law they have every right to fight an occupying force and also the statements of UK General also stated they have the right to fight. It is you and your arrogrant gov't that think you are right and anyone who does not agree is labled a "terrorist". I think we all know the real world leader terrorist here.
Each of those reports reported by different outlet shows the validity of it, and of course you may be able to find some trash by DC to debunk it even when the sites given there are quite reputable.
OK so by that logic if multiple big news agencies report it, it must be true....lol.. you just ruined yourself, how about these same sources, calling your beloved conspiracy theories trash, and the people making them up "crack pots", not to mention the fact that these same sources have also posted the figures that cogenscenti gave you. How about the daily news they publish on Insurgents killing civilians? That all also must be true, since they all report it right?? Or is that only the case when it suits you? LOL http://icasualties.org/oif/ <-- Search around this page, you will find plenty of info on Iraq here
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
The "insurgents" are freedom fighters, who are fighting an army that invaded that land and is occupying it. By international law they have every right to fight an occupying force and also the statements of UK General also stated they have the right to fight. It is you and your arrogrant gov't that think you are right and anyone who does not agree is labled a "terrorist". I think we all know the real world leader terrorist here.
The insurgents arent freedom fighters, the thought is laughable.. If they are such freedom fighters, then where were they when Saddam was ruling, mercilessly for decades? Where were they then? They came not to free anyone, they came because they see an opening to take over a country and its assests. If they cared about the Iraqi people, they wouldnt have killed a single woman, child or Iraqi citizen. It is pretty easy to identify an american soldier in Iraq, it isnt near as easy to identify an insurgent in Iraq, but yet the Americans have stilled killed far less civilians... Why is that do you think? Not because the insurgents are fighting for the Iraqis, I can tell you that.
I think that the IRAQIS have the right to fight the Americans if they do not want them in their land, I also think they should have the right to vote without the worry of a suicide bomb blowing them up, or go to the market without the fear of death. You act as if these problems and the chaos are caused by the US, if it werent for these power hungry, war mongering groups, the US would already be long gone.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
"I can imagine no greater misfortune for a cultured people than to see in the hands of the rulers not only the civil, but also the religious power. --Caius
To fill a world with ... religions of the Abrahamic kind, is like littering the streets with loaded guns. Do not be surprised if they are used. - Richard Dawkins
The insurgents arent freedom fighters, the thought is laughable.. If they are such freedom fighters, then where were they when Saddam was ruling, mercilessly for decades? Where were they then? They came not to free anyone, they came because they see an opening to take over a country and its assests. If they cared about the Iraqi people, they wouldnt have killed a single woman, child or Iraqi citizen. It is pretty easy to identify an american soldier in Iraq, it isnt near as easy to identify an insurgent in Iraq, but yet the Americans have stilled killed far less civilians... Why is that do you think? Not because the insurgents are fighting for the Iraqis, I can tell you that.
I think that the IRAQIS have the right to fight the Americans if they do not want them in their land, I also think they should have the right to vote without the worry of a suicide bomb blowing them up, or go to the market without the fear of death. You act as if these problems and the chaos are caused by the US, if it werent for these power hungry, war mongering groups, the US would already be long gone.
Al-qaeda was a hero and so was OBL when they fought the russians and drove them out of afghan. He was US friend but a terrorist insurgent for the russians. But now he is fighting another occupation (YOURS), he is a terrorist insurgent. How stupid do you think we are, all of you are invaders who invade and occupy muslim lands. We don't want your demon-cracy and captialism and we will fight you for our freedom. Call yourself what you want but the the nation you occupy, you are thier oppressor and the terrorist, not the liberator your leaders claim. So you can take your neo-con thoughts and share them with your blind neo-con friends else where cuz we're not buying it here.
"And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only."
Subhanallah, this is what Allah swt tells us to be careful from people who pretend to be peacemakers, and actually they are the real terrorists.
got that right, we know exactly what these kuffars are upto. They can fool the world or so they think but inshallah not us and we will fight to the end to expel them from our lands. They are getting vietnam style whopping but i guess they need "hawk down" style the way our somali brothers did to their pilot.
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