A fictitious account dedicated to my violated sisters in Kashmir.

**- Qatada -** · 06-05-2007

A fictitious account dedicated to my violated sisters in Kashmir.

As she limped home, the nausea re-emerged and had her retching and vomiting. After a full five minutes, the dizziness receded and she was able to continue the long journey home. Some old men walked past; she pulled her burqah further down to cover her face. Despite years of her father's gentle admonitions, she had only recently abided by the Shari’ah injunction of veiling. She used to feel modest enough wearing the traditional transparent duppata over her head, but things were different now. Now she clung to her burqah as though it would offer protection from further violations.

She started gasping for breath; the memories were resurfacing after all these
weeks of self-imposed amnesia. Against her will she once again heard the raucous laughter and felt the searing pain. "Ya Allah, Ya Allah" she had cried. It was the first time she could recall ever praying to Him. "Allah?" they had mocked. "Which Allah? Your religion is a lie; there is no Allah. There is only us, and you, and we can do what we want to you."

As yet another Hindu soldier moved forward to take his turn, she had curled herself up in a protective ball, trying to make herself invisible. Never in her life had she felt such pain, not even when as a child, she had fallen whilst running and broken her ankle. Her mouth was wide open and the screams were deafeningly silent. She was blind to everything except her private terror. The thought of possible consequences had not occurred to her then. Perhaps had she envisaged then, what she suspected now, she would have lost her mind completely. Perhaps she was just ill from the stress, and was jumping to conclusions.

As twilight approached, she finally reached home. Ever since the incident, she had had one thought on her mind: home. She had felt that once there, things would somehow be all right again. Looking at the door with its hinges broken off, she blinked back the tears. It was a strong door and had protected them in the winter from the icy winds, but eight soldiers with heavy boots and a determination to enter had defeated it.

Would her family read the shame on her face? She had planned to pretend that they had merely beaten her. As she entered, she saw her father with his head bent, silently murmuring a du'a. He had not noticed her enter, but her sisters had. They screamed with fright and relief, and the old man jumped. As she unwillingly met his eyes, she broke down and fell into his lap.

For what seemed like an eternity, he cried with his daughter, his youngest child. He had immediately guessed what she had endured. For six weeks he had been ill with worry. He had envisaged her dead, and now here she was, broken and humiliated. The world stood up for animal rights, he thought angrily, yet his daughter was only a Muslim girl. The Indian army was free to violate her honour as they pleased in his absence, and the world looked the other way. He noticed how she was clinging to her burqah, but said nothing.

As the months went by, the whispered sympathies of the women at the well receded. She took little comfort in this fact: it would start up again, once her condition was apparent.

How vigorously it thrashed inside her! Sometimes it terrified her, despite its small size. At the back of her mind was the dread that it would resemble whichever soldier had fathered it. That thought did not surface to her conscious mind, but at night she had vivid nightmares about it. She would awaken, and seek refuge in Allah from them coming true.

For the first time in her life, she was praying regularly, and fully veiling. This veil that the West so despised made her feel protected and chaste. It helped her forget her shame when she rarely ventured outside. Fasting helped her attain a serenity that she had never before experienced. Without her eemaan, she would probably have had an abortion, or been one of the many unreported suicides that such cases result in.

Her father had taken her sisters to the market, so she was all alone the day the contractions started. How she wished her mother had not passed away so many years ago; she needed her so much at this moment. As the pains grew longer and closer together, her screams intensified. That horrific night, they had been silent screams, audible only in her mind. This time, she felt as though the entire Valley might hear her.

The child was somehow delivered, but she had only the vaguest of memories of that moment. She was verging on unconsciousness. Against her will, she drowsily looked at her son for the first time. She exhaled a sigh of relief, the first in nine long months. She saw no features to remind her of his violent conception.
Growing up, the boy witnessed the atrocities carried out against the villagers whenever the army passed through. His small fists would clench, and he would dread those nights when his mother, as if reliving the past, would begin to scream hysterically. He had long ago guessed what whispered conversations overheard at the well had confirmed. His eyes would burn with a desire for revenge, a yearning that he knew his mother understood - only too well.

The years passed, and now her father had also departed from this world. She often wept, as she recalled him playing with his grandson, whom he favoured, as if to make up for his lack of a father. He never pressurized her to give the child away, unlike so many others. “For the believer, there is benefit in every test from Allah”, he had always reminded her. She understood the wisdom behind those words now. Looking at her son, a young man now, she felt immensely proud. She could hold her head up now; she had raised him well. Every day she prayed for his Shahaadah. With each expedition he partook in, every soldier he killed, her pain was slowly diminished.

How amazing it was she thought, that this same young man - borne from the rape of a young Muslim girl – was now inflicting so much damage upon the very army that had fathered him.

Source: Islamicawakening.com

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

I really dont believe that. Do you have something to back up this claim?

just out of curiousity and i dont know but do you think since the "war on terror" was announced there have been other religious groups suspected of terrorist activites?

if so wats the ratio of muslims > others suspected?

seriously just check the statistics it will make it clear..

**Suomipoika** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by NoName55

I suppose there is no need as any halfwit knows that it is the the kafar hindu army that is rampaging in kashmir.

on the other hand I bet you will rejoice if a crime was commited by someone with an Islamic sounding name and it was plastered all over the media that a Muslim did it. lets try islam for the crime of individual.

Actually I have no problem when people/news tell as much information about the perpetrators including religion, skin colour, nationality, sex, etc etc etc.

I have however a problem that when islam/muslim is mentioned with crime, on these forums, there is a wave of complainment. But when hindus are painted as evil, its merely a good story.

But dont mention religion of hindu army of occupation because it somehow besmirches the name of holy cow

Belittling another religion?

**Suomipoika** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

just out of curiousity and i dont know but do you think since the "war on terror" was announced there have been other religious groups suspected of terrorist activites?

if so wats the ratio of muslims > others suspected?

seriously just check the statistics it will make it clear..

Which other religious group using religion as justification has made mass casualty attacks against civilians in the "west" in recent years?

I only can think ETA that has killed people, and Im pretty sure there is plenty of their members in jails.

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Ps. To the person who sent me pm, Im sorry I cant reply yet.

**NoName55** · 06-05-2007

sure hindus are ever so saintly, how dare these mozlems write any thing pro victim and anti-hindu post on their own forum.

hindus are so saintly that they regard us and shudhras less than cowdung (for if any muslim or shuddhra cast so much as a shadow on their choka it becomes unclean and has to be purified with a coating of cowdung mixed with water and soil.

they love us so much that if we get caught eating beef or slaughtering a cow, even on mere suspicion we can be lynched by burning or shooting

Belittling another religion?

Oh I am sorry if I left out the monkey, the elephant, the snake, kali or shiva lingum

Actually I have no problem when people/news tell as much information about the perpetrators including religion, skin colour, nationality, sex, etc etc etc.

of course that has nothing to do with mass media ownership being in kafar hands and richmeglomaniacs and profiteering vested interests. as such they are ever so even handed

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

Which other religious group using religion as justification has made mass casualty attacks against civilians in the "west" in recent years?

I only can think ETA that has killed people, and Im pretty sure there is plenty of their members in jails.

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Ps. To the person who sent me pm, Im sorry I cant reply yet.

you say this and you still cant admit its a war on islam?

**Suomipoika** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

you say this and you still cant admit its a war on islam?

Why does that mean its war against islam?

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

Which other religious group using religion as justification has made mass casualty attacks against civilians in the "west" in recent years?

cassualties were alleged against muslims constantly but not a single claim was proven.

also remember the issue on the niqaab, remember the brothers in forest gate/canada and many other places in the west who got shot and terrorised in their own homes. remember the unjust support of israel and the invasion of iraq/afghanistan and lebanon. all of this was supported by the west, and yet they call it a war on terror, IF this was truelly a war on terror then the terrorists would be stopped (terrorist meaning those terrorising the millions in other countries) but this IS a war on islam due to the clear fact that it is constantly muslims getting attacked.

and we seem extreme when we show our outrage and try to defend ourselves.

why dont you consider the stance of the muslims for once? see their angle?

**- Qatada -** · 06-05-2007

Suomipoika, i don't usually say hindus are terrorists, however - in this case i purposelly did so to make it clear that the battle is between Muslims and Hindus.

You know why? Because of the fact that there are many Kashmiris who are from the same race. And on top of that - i believe without a doubt that it is a war of religions and ideologies, like bro ibnabdulHakim has explained. And it's these people who actually accuse Islaam of being evil, yet they are doing many acts of evil while justifying it by misquoting Islaam. What do others do? They follow it blindly, since they feel that whatever the media spoon feeds them is the truth.

**Cognescenti** · 06-05-2007

I have to say I am with Suomi on this. Any valid instructive purpose of this story is completely overshadowed by the destructive, hate-filled message. This is less a religious document than it is a recruiting tool for Mujahadin. It is completely manipulative. Even if based on historical facts, it has propaganda written all over it. The only thing missing is the martial music and video of the misbegotten hero, a big knife held in his teeth, machine gun belts slung over his shoulders, firing a huge machine gun from the hip at the swarm of murderous, swarthy Hindus bearing down on him. Maybe the could make the story in Bollywood if they could find a way to put some song and dance in it?

BTW...there is some really shocking anti-Hindu insults being slung around by an unnamed poster on this thread. Good thing there aren't any Hindus here to complain, eh?

**- Qatada -** · 06-05-2007

Thankyou for your opinion Cognescenti, if you never noticed - it was a woman in the plot. And it's ironic since you guys expect sympathy off others yet you don't share none yourselves? Atleast we condemn acts which are immoral.

Regards.

**Cognescenti** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Thankyou for your opinion Cognescenti, if you never noticed - it was a woman in the plot. And it's ironic since you guys expect sympathy off others yet you don't share none yourselves? Atleast we condemn acts which are immoral.

Regards.

Greetings, Sir;

I was referring to this chap.

How amazing it was she thought, that this same young man - borne from the rape of a young Muslim girl – was now inflicting so much damage upon the very army that had fathered him.

BTW..I don't think your closing statement is even remotely fair. I have no doubt that evil acts have been comitted by Indian soldiers or by other Hindus and, as always, the weak suffer the most. How does complaining about the demonization of the fictional account undercut empathy for the real victims? What if this story were told to an impressionable, 18 year old Muslim man and it caused him to kill an innocent?

As for sympathy from Muslims. I am not asking for it, though it would be nice if the slaughter in the name of any religion were to stop.

**- Qatada -** · 06-05-2007

Kool, i loved that part too.

Regards.

**Suomipoika** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

cassualties were alleged against muslims constantly but not a single claim was proven.

also remember the issue on the niqaab, remember the brothers in forest gate/canada and many other places in the west who got shot and terrorised in their own homes. remember the unjust support of israel and the invasion of iraq/afghanistan and lebanon. all of this was supported by the west, and yet they call it a war on terror, IF this was truelly a war on terror then the terrorists would be stopped (terrorist meaning those terrorising the millions in other countries) but this IS a war on islam due to the clear fact that it is constantly muslims getting attacked.

and we seem extreme when we show our outrage and try to defend ourselves.

why dont you consider the stance of the muslims for once? see their angle?

I thought about this long, and to be honest, I dont really know what to say, seems what you think as truth and what I think as truth are lightyears apart. We could go on about Israel or Palestine, 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan wars and their justification, but that would derail the thread, and it would also bring the conspiracy theorists out of their holes.

Its sort of ironical that you complain about the outrage against "you" when you try to defend yourself, however... well, it seems to very similar to outrage against USA when they are defending themselves...

I dont really believe that this is a war against islam, because, there are millions of muslims who life their lives as they please in the "west", and most muslim countries are not attacked by the "west". Even if I did see the truth the way you claim it to be, I dont really understand why handful of conflicts in which muslims are participants equal to "war on islam".

Why dont I see the angle of muslims? I guess for the same reasons why you dont see the real angle of the "west"? It really is not a war on islam.

Anyway, Im sorry for derailing the thread.

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Suomipoika, i don't usually say hindus are terrorists, however - in this case i purposelly did so to make it clear that the battle is between Muslims and Hindus.

You know why? Because of the fact that there are many Kashmiris who are from the same race. And on top of that - i believe without a doubt that it is a war of religions and ideologies, like bro ibnabdulHakim has explained. And it's these people who actually accuse Islaam of being evil, yet they are doing many acts of evil while justifying it by misquoting Islaam. What do others do? They follow it blindly, since they feel that whatever the media spoon feeds them is the truth.

Its nice of you to make blatant statements about all members of one religion, and blame them for the actions of some of the said religion.

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Thankyou for your opinion Cognescenti, if you never noticed - it was a woman in the plot. And it's ironic since you guys expect sympathy off others yet you don't share none yourselves? Atleast we condemn acts which are immoral.

You want us to condemn act that was in a made up story? Did you condemn Scar when he let Simba's father fall in Lionking?

**- Qatada -** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

I thought about this long, and to be honest, I dont really know what to say, seems what you think as truth and what I think as truth are lightyears apart. We could go on about Israel or Palestine, 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan wars and their justification, but that would derail the thread, and it would also bring the conspiracy theorists out of their holes.

Its sort of ironical that you complain about the outrage against "you" when you try to defend yourself, however... well, it seems to very similar to outrage against USA when they are defending themselves...

You see the irony there? The media has a whole right to label MUSLIMS terrorists, and that's justifiable?

Its nice of you to make blatant statements about all members of one religion, and blame them for the actions of some of the said religion.

Maybe i'm just talking about extreme hindus? Right? Or like i've stated loads of times before, maybe that's the only way we can distinguish between the two parties? Or do you know of another way? Because i'm sure that if you say indians, well theres muslim indians too, and if we say pakistani muslims - well theres hindus and sikhs living in pakistan too. So what can we title them?

You want us to condemn act that was in a made up story? Did you condemn Scar when he let Simba's father fall in Lionking?

I've posted you the truth havn't i? That situations like this truelly do occur, and it's based on true events, yet the character in this specific story is fictional.

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 06-05-2007

suomipoika i have much to say but i will refrain because i honestly consider it pointless. However its nice to see a discussion where both side try their best to hold back offense

the story serves to show the suffering of muslims in kashmir but it seems it did the opposite and enraged others into thinking it is a fiction of propaganda and hate... i dont quite understand how that happened but im going to keep quiet

the story is amazing, it gave me much strength, and if faced by such oppression thinking about this story will surely help with the help of Allah Azza wa jall...

**جوري** · 06-05-2007

If the kuffar on this forum don't like what is written, they can go find a more suitable forum to foster their thoughts and beliefs. There is really no need to impose their opinion on the members here, it is that simple. Don't like it-- Don't eat! it is not a difficult permutation!

**Suomipoika** · 06-05-2007

[QUOTE=Fi_Sabilillah;757429]You see the irony there? The media has a whole right to label MUSLIMS terrorists, and that's justifiable?

Maybe i'm just talking about extreme hindus? Right? Or like i've stated loads of times before, maybe that's the only way we can distinguish between the two parties? Or do you know of another way? Because i'm sure that if you say indians, well theres muslim indians too, and if we say pakistani muslims - well theres hindus and sikhs living in pakistan too. So what can we title them?[QUOTE]

I think this portraits my position perfectly, first you complain about media labelling muslims terrorists, and then you go on wanting to label rapists/murderers/terrorsts as hindus, and your reason, because of lack of better term.

**- Qatada -** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

I think this portraits my position perfectly, first you complain about media labelling muslims terrorists, and then you go on wanting to label rapists/murderers/terrorsts as hindus, and your reason, because of lack of better term.

I think you don't understand, i'm using the logic of the media here. To show you how powerful they are in their propaganda.

Isn't it ironic that when a muslim woman wears the veil she is oppressed? But when a nun wears hers she's 'pious'? Or when a muslim man grows a beard he's an extremist, but when a jewish one does he's practising his religion? Or when a person does an attack [which goes against Islamic teachings] he is an islamic extremist, but when someone kills innocents (and it's part of their religion!) - they are just freedom fighters?

Do you now see the irony?

**جوري** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Read it akhi

the ending is amazing.. Allaah sends forces from places you couldn't imagine.. and that is the truth, you'll realise that once you read it till the last paragraph. And the praise is for Him, the Lord of the Worlds.

And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine. And if any one puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is (Allah) for him. For Allah will surely accomplish his purpose: verily, for all things has Allah appointed a due proportion. [Qur'an 65:3]

Great story akhi.. and very inspirational ('tis indeed darkest before dawn)--
jazaka Allah khyran!

**Cognescenti** · 06-05-2007

Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

If the kuffar on this forum don't like what is written, they can go find a more suitable forum to foster their thoughts and beliefs. There is really no need to impose their opinion on the members here, it is that simple. Don't like it-- Don't eat! it is not a difficult permutation!

Ah, is that how it works?

Here is a forum sticky from the header:

There have been increasing numbers of complaints from certain Jewish members who feel victimised in this section. All forum participants are reminded that victimising entire groups of people based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality or otherwise has no place in Islam or the rest of civilised society for that matter. If you must disagree, please do so respectfully - do not resort to insults. Such juvenile and asinine behaviour will not be tolerated.

Members are also urged to report such posts.

Substitute "Hindu" for "Jew" and get back to us. Perhaps there could be some kind of warning like "Kuffar keep out/echo test in progress" on the title of the thread?