Arrests at Jerusalem gay parade

**Amadeus85** · 06-22-2007

Anti-Gay Pride protester arrested in Jerusalem
Hundreds of people protested against the Gay Pride march
A Gay Pride march in Jerusalem has taken place amid tight security, sparking fierce protests among the holy city's religious communities.

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Hundreds of people protested against the Gay Pride march

An ultra-Orthodox Jewish man was arrested for planning to bomb the parade, Israeli police said.

At least 18 other people were arrested during the march, which came after Israel's High Court rejected an appeal by religious groups to ban it.

More than 7,000 police were deployed to secure the parade to prevent clashes.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said officers found an explosive device in the bag of the alleged bomb plotter.

"He admitted he planned on planting it on the route of the parade today," Mr Rosenfeld said.

At least 15 people were arrested for throwing stones at police on Wednesday night after the court appeal was rejected.

About 2,000 people joined the march, holding bright balloons, singing and holding posters of Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama, the Associated Press news agency reported.

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A larger event in Tel Aviv passed off peacefully earlier this month

I will be not be shut down by anyone - Jerusalem is the place where we should parade
Adam Russo
Gay activist

March organisers said they were expecting 5,000 people to attend.

"We are thrilled to be here today, celebrating our freedom of speech in the centre of Jerusalem," Noa Satat, chairwoman of gay-rights group Open House, told Reuters news agency.

Several hundred ultra-Orthodox Jews held protests against the parade at the entrance to the city, setting rubbish bins on fire and waving banners that said "Shame".

The community has protested repeatedly against the march in the past week, burning tyres, confronting police and damaging police cars.

More than 1,000 firefighters went on strike last week, refusing to grant a licence to the parade's organisers, forcing them to cancel a rally at the end of the march.

Gay Pride event in Tel Aviv on 8 June
A larger event in Tel Aviv passed off peacefully earlier this month

The event, held in Jerusalem since 2001, has been denounced in the past by conservative Jewish, Christian and Muslim groups which share a view that homosexuality is an abomination.

But civil liberties groups argue that it celebrates diversity in the holy city.

"The question of 'why in Jerusalem' is not a question. It is the same question as letting women vote," said Dana Olmert, herself a lesbian and daughter of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, in an interview with Israel's Army radio.

Last year, it was relocated to a sports stadium because of security concerns.

In 2005, an ultra-Orthodox Jewish protester stabbed and wounded three people despite a heavy police presence at the event.

Gay activist Adam Russo, who was one of those stabbed two years ago, told the BBC that homosexuals had the right to march through the city.

"We are all frightened but I'm here because of my right to protest," he said. "I will be not be shut down by anyone. Jerusalem is the place where we should parade."

Israel's largest annual Gay Pride parade held in the mainly secular city of Tel Aviv passed off peacefully earlier this month. About 20,000 people attended the event.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6225444.stm

**Trumble** · 06-24-2007

The event, held in Jerusalem since 2001, has been denounced in the past by conservative Jewish, Christian and Muslim groups which share a view that homosexuality is an abomination.

My usual response to such things. Should members of conservative or any other religious groups believe homosexuality to be an abomination they are quite at liberty to avoid practicing it. They are not, or at least should not, be at liberty to try and inflict their version of 'morality' on other people.

The 'God' argument makes even less sense than usual. Should God actually consider homosexuality an abomination why are there any homosexuals? God must be responsible for them. The only response seems to be that it is some sort of "test", in which case people should be left to get on with that "test". God will no doubt take suitable account of those passing and failing come the day of judgement; He needs no human agents in the meantime.

**DAWUD_adnan** · 06-24-2007

Why are they allowing gay parades, when that place is Holy to Christians, jews and muslim alike ?

Plus what do gay people have to do with mandela, he fought for opression ON his OWN land against him by outsiders, i hardly doubt that gay have been through any thing like the black south africans lol

**vpb** · 06-24-2007

The 'God' argument makes even less sense than usual. Should God actually consider homosexuality an abomination why are there any homosexuals? God must be responsible for them. The only response seems to be that it is some sort of "test", in which case people should be left to get on with that "test". God will no doubt take suitable account of those passing and failing come the day of judgement; He needs no human agents in the meantime.

so we should also leave serial-killers free, and do what they want, bc they want to be like that. why are we arresting and punishing them???

**doorster** · 06-24-2007

also this forum is supposed to be for promoting Islam and not sodomy!

**Strzelecki** · 06-24-2007

^ Because they're a danger to society. Whilst homosexuality, really isn't.

**DAWUD_adnan** · 06-24-2007

Originally Posted by buriedaway_4536

^ Because they're a danger to society. Whilst homosexuality, really isn't.

If everyone if the number of gays was just as high as muslims the human race would be extinct, so yeah they are.

**doorster** · 06-24-2007

Originally Posted by buriedaway_4536

^ Because they're a danger to society. Whilst homosexuality, really isn't.

could you illustrate as to how it is of benefit to society

**Strzelecki** · 06-24-2007

Originally Posted by DAWUD_adnan

If everyone if the number of gays was just as high as muslims the human race would be extinct, so yeah they are.

But it's not. And probably never will be.

Originally Posted by doorster

could you illustrate as tohow it is of benefit to society

Maybe when you can illustrate why people should be told who they are rather than be able to live their lives as themselves.

**guyabano** · 06-24-2007

Originally Posted by vpb

so we should also leave serial-killers free, and do what they want, bc they want to be like that. why are we arresting and punishing them???

now what has a gay to do with a serial killer??

Well, on first place, maybe Jerusalem is not the place maybe to have a gay parade, at least, not yet. But fact is, the gay parades are colorful and they know to walk the streets and spread good mood

**thirdwatch512** · 06-24-2007

i am a major supporter of gay rights, and thank God that those people who were protesting against the basic fundemental right to love were arrested!

to the memebr who said that homosexuals were a harm to societyy- how so? because they love each other?

you know, the average homosexual makes a higher income then a straight person, and they have a higher graduate rate from college.. at 40%, compared to the national average at like a low 13%. homosexuals also give 3 times as much charity as straight couples do. this is a fact!!

and who cares if they don't have kids.. God forbid we need more kids when we can't even provide for 12 millio kids here in America as it is!

so should we kill people who can't have kids? oh!! were going to lose population if they can't have kids!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> baseless claim

you know, when you muslims bash homosexuals.. you would be surprised at how pro muslim rights many gay groups are. like for example there was an article on CNN about a gay rights group standing up for the rights of the people in iraq and demanding an immediate withdrawal and to allow more refugees in the US. a muslim group was going to protest a gay pride parade but decided not to, after they saw this.

many homosexuals are a lot more gay friendly then fellow Chrsitians. which is utterly crazy, considering how homophobic muslims are.

**thirdwatch512** · 06-24-2007

Originally Posted by guyabano

now what has a gay to do with a serial killer??

Well, on first place, maybe Jerusalem is not the place maybe to have a gay parade, at least, not yet. But fact is, the gay parades are colorful and they know to walk the streets and spread good mood

lol amen! so much happiness!

**vpb** · 06-24-2007

now what has a gay to do with a serial killer??

Well, on first place, maybe Jerusalem is not the place maybe to have a gay parade, at least, not yet. But fact is, the gay parades are colorful and they know to walk the streets and spread good mood

why?? both serial killers and gays infect the society, they both kill the society, how is the population gonna grow, if serials killers kill people, and gay people stop the births??? actually gay-ism is much more dangerous. stops the new births, increases the number of old people.
so let's just leave serial killers free, let them perform the actions they want.

**Trumble** · 06-24-2007

Originally Posted by vpb

so we should also leave serial-killers free, and do what they want, bc they want to be like that. why are we arresting and punishing them???

Because serial killers harm other people and society. What consenting adults choose to do in private does not.

Originally Posted by doorster

could you illustrate as tohow it is of benefit to society

There is is no need to. The point is that what consenting adults choose to do in private does not HARM society. Why should people not be free to do the things they choose if those things harm nobody?

also this forum is supposed to be for promoting Islam and not sodomy!

Nobody is 'promoting sodomy'. All that is being promoted is the right of people to engage in sexual activity that harms no-one without being persecuted by those who think they have the right to force their own moral views down other people's throats. As I said, if there is a God, He can settle up in due course.

**vpb** · 06-24-2007

Because serial killers harm other people and society. What consenting adults choose to do in private does not.

so gays, don't harm the society, which stops the development of humans????

**Trumble** · 06-24-2007

Originally Posted by vpb

why?? both serial killers and gays infect the society, they both kill the society, how is the population gonna grow, if serials killers kill people, and gay people stop the births??? actually gay-ism is much more dangerous. stops the new births, increases the number of old people.
so let's just leave serial killers free, let them perform the actions they want.

Don't be absurd. The human population of the planet is growing far faster than is ultimately sustainable, gays (and contraception) or not.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, the 'gay liberation' movement started in 1970. World population then, 3.6 billion. World population now, 6.5 billion, increasing at over 200,000 a day.

**thirdwatch512** · 06-24-2007

Originally Posted by vpb

why?? both serial killers and gays infect the society, they both kill the society, how is the population gonna grow, if serials killers kill people, and gay people stop the births??? actually gay-ism is much more dangerous. stops the new births, increases the number of old people.
so let's just leave serial killers free, let them perform the actions they want.

LOL so you think that stoning gay people to death is going to solve the problem? LOL because now not only do you have the kids that the homosexuals could not have, BUT you don't have the gay people. LOL what a smart way of thinking LOL

and btw, many gay people have kids. women get sperm donors, men get egg, gays and lesbians get together, and sperm can now be turned into a generic egg known as a germ, and eggs can do the same.

i know many, many gay people with kids. and the kids are happy, and all is well.

and how is society harmed again?

**Strzelecki** · 06-24-2007

Okay.
I'm not gonna stay and argue.
I'm just gonna post my opinion, and then make a clean get away. Quote me all you want on the matter, but I will not respond to avoid arguments.

I believe one cannot choose or control their sexuality. I do not see homosexuality as a threat at all.
Even if you disagree with it, it's going to continue. So why not just tolerate it? Toleration is all about agreeing to disagree.
No one is forcing homosexuality upon anyone else. And if homosexuality was banned, then I assume they would just remain single, hence no new births anyway.
I see no problem or negative ramifications as a result.

In short, all people ever want is to be accepted for who they are. So why must things be made difficult for anyone?

**vpb** · 06-24-2007

Don't be absurd. The human population of the planet is growing far faster than is ultimately sustainable, gays (and contraception) or not.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, the 'gay liberation' movement started in 1970. World population then, 3.6 billion. World population now, 6.5 billion, increasing at over 200,000 a day.

let's assume we all agree with gay-ism, and let people become gays, and we'll see how the population will decrease. population is still growing bc we are still holding the natural human morals. bc it seems by supporting and agreeing with this gay-ism, u are agreeing to decrease the number of population.

just check, germany and canada, they are already suffering just from lack of births, just bc people don't want to have many kids,
imagine now if majority is gays and lesbians. this is a virus that can spread quickly.

LOL so you think that stoning gay people to death is going to solve the problem? LOL because now not only do you have the kids that the homosexuals could not have, BUT you don't have the gay people. LOL what a smart way of thinking LOL

who was talking about punishments???

and btw, many gay people have kids. women get sperm donors, men get egg, gays and lesbians get together, and sperm can now be turned into a generic egg known as a germ, and eggs can do the same.

yeah, really? how many of them??

and how is society harmed again?

Your senses of judging right and wrong doesn't seem to be right.

I believe one cannot choose or control their sexuality.

really? why all my life, I lived, I never met a single gay or lesbian in my country? not one. ???
why is it just in west that this is happening?
what are you guys being fed with?

I do not see homosexuality as a threat at all.

yeah, ppl see the problems coming later.

Even if you disagree with it, it's going to continue. So why not just tolerate it? Toleration is all about agreeing to disagree.

really? well people taking heroin is still continuing. why not just let them do that. tolerate it??

No one is forcing homosexuality upon anyone else. And if homosexuality was banned, then I assume they would just remain single, hence no new births anyway.

if it would be banned, the next generation would have few more these mind-infected ppl thinking that they love men and women.

u know , I'm not gonna discuss anymore. what I can see is that you can't percept what is good and bad, as a result of your thinking the world is here now, bc letting bad habits manifest in the world.

at least you christians should be more smarter, but I can see everyday you are going away from u'r book. Only belief of Jesus's blood is left with u. nothing else.

Astagfirullah