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    U.S. troops target bomb networks By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer
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    JISR DIYALA, Iraq - Newly arrived U.S. troops southeast of Baghdad are destroying boats on the Tigris River and targeting networks believed to be bringing powerful roadside bombs from Iran as the military cracks down on extremists from all directions, military officials said.

    But a top U.S. commander warned on Monday that three or four times more Iraqi security forces are needed to sustain the progress in clearing the area and stanching the flow of arms and makeshift bombs into the capital.

    Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, whose command covers the southern rim of Baghdad and mostly Shiite areas to the south, said the reinforcements who arrived as part of a troop buildup have had success in rooting out militants from their sanctuaries and preventing them from fleeing the area in an operation called Marne Torch — one of a quartet of offensives in the capital and surrounding areas.

    "All along the Tigris River valley, people knew this is where the Sunni extremists were storing munitions, training for operations, building IEDs to take them into Baghdad," he said, referring to improvised explosive devices, the term the military uses for roadside bombs.

    "They just didn't have the reach to get down there. Now with the surge brigades they've got the reach. But the issue is we can't stay here forever and there's gotta be a persistent presence and that's gotta be Iraqi security forces. And that's always our biggest concern," he said while visiting troops from the 3rd Infantry Division's 3rd Brigade Combat Team at a U.S. patrol base on the southeastern edge of Baghdad.

    The dusty base is nestled between high sand berms on what was the Tuwaitha nuclear complex, which was bombed during the U.S.-led invasion and subsequently looted, near the mainly Shiite village of Jasr Diyala, 12 miles southeast of Baghdad.

    Lynch said his units had been successful in preventing the militants from fleeing the area ahead of the offensive and overall detained 150 people, including at least 30 high-value targets — most from the rural Arab Jubour area just south of the capital.

    "In the past they had exit routes so they saw the operation coming," he said. "What we did is establish blocking positions all around Arab Jubour so the enemy couldn't leave but they had to stay and fight and as a result to either die or be captured."

    Lynch's comments were the latest to signal a growing impatience among U.S. commanders with Iraqi security forces amid calls in the U.S. for the Bush administration to start bringing troops home. The Americans have expressed confidence in a new strategy aimed at flooding volatile areas with U.S. troops to quell the violence, but also concern that the progress could be reversed once U.S. troops leave.

    Underscoring the dangers, Lynch said two helicopters adjacent to his came under "significant small-arms" fire while flying low over the desert landscape to the patrol base, causing no injuries but leaving one aircraft severely damaged.

    The brigade commander, Col. Wayne W. Grigsby, Jr., said 21 boats had been destroyed on the river and in the reeds on the banks since the operation began in force on June 15, most with secondary blasts indicating many were filled with explosive material.

    He also said the military had gained intelligence from a local sheik about networks bringing armor-penetrating explosively formed projectiles, known as EFPs, on a major road that travels from the border with Iran through Shiite areas to Baghdad. The U.S. has accused Iran of supplying mainly Shiite militias with EFPs, but Tehran has denied the allegations.

    Lynch said the area had two battalions from the 8th Iraqi army division but added "there needs to be three or four times more Iraqi security forces than are currently present to provide for sustained security. That's the critical piece in all of this."

    Lynch said the Iraqi soldiers with whom he had worked were professional, although many still lacked training and equipment more than four years after the war started in March 2003. He said the main problem was with Iraqi police, a predominantly Shiite force that has been accused of being infiltrated by militias.

    "In my battlespace my concern is police, local police. Either they're nonexistent or the ones that are there tend to be corrupt," he said.

    "Then there are large portions of the battlespace where there are no Iraqi security forces at all. And the Iraqi security forces have to be grown to a level where they can occupy these places. This is an enemy sanctuary because nobody's been out there. There are no Iraqi security forces so the enemy fills the void."

    He said the extra U.S. troops had provided the numbers to curb the militant activity, which included storing munitions, training and building roadside bombs.

    "But if someone doesn't secure that presence, I mean have sustained security then it's not going to work. that's the concern," he said.

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    Re: Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

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    operate under the rules of professional journalism
    Here's a sample of your "professional journalism," as reported by World Net Daily:

    Report: Al Qaeda Bakes Little Boys

    A reporter embedded with the U.S. military in Iraq reports a government official has recounted a new atrocity by al-Qaida: several instances in which terrorists baked a young boy, then invited his family to lunch with the victim as the main course.

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    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=56643
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    Re: Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zman View Post
    /Peace To All



    Here's a sample of your "professional journalism," as reported by World Net Daily:

    Report: Al Qaeda Bakes Little Boys


    i really wish i hadnt read that

    I hope to God it is not true
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    Re: Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zman View Post
    /Peace To All



    Here's a sample of your "professional journalism," as reported by World Net Daily:

    Report: Al Qaeda Bakes Little Boys


    I don't consider World Net Daily to be a very good source either, as they have a political agenda. Not unlike the far-left websites you copy and paste from day to day.
    Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

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    Re: Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

    format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi View Post
    I don't consider World Net Daily to be a very good source either, as they have a political agenda. Not unlike the far-left websites you copy and paste from day to day.
    now what I would like to see is Mr. Zman post a story that is "middle" not far right or left, and try to do that for the duration of his life
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    Re: Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

    format_quote Originally Posted by MTAFFI View Post
    now what I would like to see is Mr. Zman post a story that is "middle" not far right or left, and try to do that for the duration of his life

    What sources do you consider to be in the middle of the road?
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    Re: Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

    Greetings and peace be with you MTAFFI,

    I am starting to understand why Bush felt compelled to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. It seems that the American and British people would not be satisfied with anything less.

    The voice of devastating revenge rather than justice seems to be the loudest.

    If America were to seek real justice for 9 / 11 then they should only seek the people responsible.

    By their very actions Britain and America have created thousands of potential suicide bombers; simply because we have killed so many innocent ordinary working class people who have no voice.

    Alongside with Bush and Blair the suicide bombers will also stand before God. The more frightening prospect is that each one of us here will also stand before God. How do we each stand for justice and peace; I doubt if the creator of all that is seen and unseen will distinguish between American, British, or Iraqi.

    In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

    Eric
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    Re: Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zman View Post

    What sources do you consider to be in the middle of the road?
    how about NBC's Meet the Press?
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    Re: Success in Iraq is dependent on Iraqis

    Did you hear about Sunni militants posing like Iraqi police shooting dead 30 people today in northern Baghdad.
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