News 4m Pakistan

**AmarFaisal** · 07-27-2007

To the Mods: We need a thread where we can share n put the news from Pakistan. If u want us to create one for every news, then we shall. But I think it would be more convieneint to have just one.

To the Users on the forum: We shall try our best not to backbite or "discuss" matters in such ways. We shall use this thread solely to update news on Pakistan to others interested.

COming back to the news:

Razak Bughti , the governments speaker for Baluchistan has been shot dead in his car.

I heard this news on Geo and haven't found it covered on net yet. I shall put a source as soon as I find one.

**snakelegs** · 07-29-2007

Originally Posted by islamirama

It would be most wise for the supreme court to not let that happend. Bhutto and nawaz shareef both are thieves and crooks. They robbed the country of all it's money and transfered it to their bank accounts in UK. Pakistan does not need crooks and military dictators as both are bad for the country and economy. All 3 have done nothing but make the country a lot worse than it was.

i think you misunderstood my question.
would the supreme court be able to block president musharraf from dropping the charges? (which would prevent the return of either)

**snakelegs** · 07-29-2007

Originally Posted by doorster

As things stand today, there is hardly anyone in Pakistan who knows what Islam is, heck, in many places, 85 out of a 100 can't even read or write there own name, let alone be able to read and understand Quraan and are at mercy of persons like yourself

We need to teach them to be Muslims first before we start chopping their hands of for theft, we need to provide for widows and orphan girls before we accuse them of being prostitutes and kidnap them and take them to our "Mosque" to do to them, only Allah knows what!

this is so true. (though i didn't realize literacy rate was quite that low).
education - both secular and islamic - is a very major and pressing issue.

**snakelegs** · 07-29-2007

mods - i ask you please not to close this thread just because some are insulting and doing personal attacks and accusations. if need be, i would hope that you would delete the objectionable posts instead.
thank you.
p.s. doorster, it has not been sanitized as i am writing this.

**islamirama** · 07-29-2007

Musharraf urged to quit army post

The former Pakistani PM, Benazir Bhutto, has said Pervez Musharraf must quit as head of Pakistan's military if he wants to continue as president. She spoke after the two were reported to have met in what was said to be a bid to strike a power-sharing deal.

Pakistani reports said Gen Musharraf and Ms Bhutto had met in Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates.

Gen Musharraf is facing increasing political opposition and rising violence from Islamist militants.

"I have very grave reservations about a uniformed president, and I believe it blurs the distinction between the civilian and military rule," Ms Bhutto told Britain's Sky television on Sunday.

Ms Bhutto has lived in exile since leaving Pakistan in 1999 after serving as prime minister for two terms in the 1980s and 1990s.

She has been trying to engineer a comeback, but the constitution would have to be changed to allow her a third term as prime minister.

Speculation is running high that he may strike a deal with Ms Bhutto for her support in exchange for allowing her return to Pakistan to run for prime minister. (A crook and a war criminal conspiring to stay in power and rob pakistan even more)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6921299.stm

**binAadam** · 07-29-2007

I was switching news channels and stopped at Al Jazeera, it was the program ‘Witness’ about Lal Masjid.

The host spent 5 days in the Lal Masjid or he went there 5 days before the operation launched. He was interviewing Maulana Ghazi Shaheed (rahimahullah), and looking at his beautiful face my heart was melting, that he’s no more with us and was killed in cold blood with hundreds of innocent girls and boys students.

Ghazi said he was not doing anything illegal, according to the state law brothels or massage centres are not allowed in Pakistan and that they took action because the government didn’t do anything against them even after complaints.
He said they just label you as Al-Qayeda or Taliban and after you have been called Taliban, you can be easily killed. He showed the tree in the courtyard of Lal Masjid where his father Maulana ‘Abdullah was martyred. He took the reporter to the top of the building and showed the surrounding area saying that was all uninhabitated in the past but later that was populated. There were brothers making ablution (wudhu) at a pond, everything was emotional to me, as all I was watching on tv screen doesn’t exist now. Brothers and hijabi sisters I saw there may not be alive today and I had tears in my eyes thinking about that.

The reporter was taken inside the Jami’ah Hafsah where men were not allowed, in a hall there were little girls reading Quran sitting on floors, in another room there were adult girls wearing hijab/niqab and pink scarves, a kind of uniform in that level of the class. In another class a hijabi/niqabi teacher was teaching elementary English to little girls. There was a tuck shop with biscuits and other stuff, a garments shop, a clinic with professional lady physicians, I think that wasn’t aleopathic but homeopathic or Greek or whatever. Girls were coming to a reception area where they were handing in a paper sheet to the receptionist, the walls were green-tiled and everything looked sad to me because it doesn’t anymore exist. Girls students wearing their modest hijab chanting slogans and holding sticks gave the sign of Jihad rightly or wrongly but what was painful that we can't see those purified sisters of us anymore.
Jami’ah Saiyidah Hafsah (radhiyAllahu ‘anha) has been leveled to the ground, there’s only debris in its premises with concrete material, human bones, flesh, belongings of the inmates and most probably hundreds of human bodies piled / buried in the basement of Jami’ah.

The Al Jazeera reporter was showed outside the Masjid in the street while there were clashes carried on between students and the security forces, the very first day, 3rd of July.

He was talking to a ‘Liberal Family’ in a house and they were ridiculing the escape of Maulana Abdul ‘Aziz in the burqa, the Al Jazeera reporter was telling the story of ongoing situation and porbaly it was 7th of July after the escape of Maulana Abdul Aziz, the Al Jazeera reporter called Ghazi Shaheed and Ghazi said there were 2000 students inside and children were only a few, wAllahu A’lam.

Situation was getting worse and in the end the reporter said, (in my words) ‘It’s 2’ clock in the afternoon, the operation started at 4 o’clock in the morning and it is said to have been heavy fighting inside the complex ….. and it’s reported that Ghazi has died.’

He was showing the badly damaged and ruined building of Jami’ah Hafsah which was opened for the media a few days after the operation was finished.
The reporter ended his report saying:

This is not the end; this is the beginning.

**binAadam** · 07-29-2007

WITNESS SPECIAL: Red Mosque

Producer: Farah Durrani

In the days leading up to the storming of the Red Mosque, Rageh Omaar gained exclusive access.

He and his team were the last TV crew inside the mosque before the siege began and filmed the last interview with Abdul Rashid Ghazi, one of the mosque's leaders, before his death.

With the prospects of violent conflict growing more ominous by the day, Rageh asked him about his meeting with Osama Bin Laden and his religious and political awakening after the assassination of his father.

In a candid interview, Rashid Ghazi states his belief that "wherever Muslims are awakening … much has to do with the aggression, the tyranny being committed by America and its allied forces".

Rashid Ghazi describes the increasing tension between the mosque and the Pakistani authorities and declares he will never surrender, even as the soldiers begin to gather in the streets around the mosque and hopes of a negotiated settlement dwindle.

The film also offers unique access to the Jamia Hafsa madrasa, the religious seminary for women attached to the Red Mosque.

Umme Hassan, the woman who ran the madrasa, explains the philosophy behind the seminary.

"We work for what God wants. The government hasn't fulfilled its duty and when it doesn't, according to the Prophet, the responsibility falls on the clerics."

Two days into the filming, clashes erupted at the mosque between students and security forces.

A week later, an estimated 100 people were dead.

Already, the storming of the mosque has led to violent attacks on government targets around Pakistan.

This Witness Special will broadcast at the following times GMT:

Saturday 28 July: (1900)
Sunday 29 July: (2400, 0500, 1100)

WITNESS SPECIAL: Red Mosque

**snakelegs** · 07-29-2007

Originally Posted by islamirama

It would be most wise for the supreme court to not let that happend. Bhutto and nawaz shareef both are thieves and crooks. They robbed the country of all it's money and transfered it to their bank accounts in UK. Pakistan does not need crooks and military dictators as both are bad for the country and economy. All 3 have done nothing but make the country a lot worse than it was.

yes, i think the majority of pakistanis want nothing to do with bhutto or shareef and they want an end to military rule.

**AmarFaisal** · 07-30-2007

Originally Posted by binAadam

WITNESS SPECIAL: Red Mosque

Producer: Farah Durrani

In the days leading up to the storming of the Red Mosque, Rageh Omaar gained exclusive access.

He and his team were the last TV crew inside the mosque before the siege began and filmed the last interview with Abdul Rashid Ghazi, one of the mosque's leaders, before his death.

With the prospects of violent conflict growing more ominous by the day, Rageh asked him about his meeting with Osama Bin Laden and his religious and political awakening after the assassination of his father.

In a candid interview, Rashid Ghazi states his belief that "wherever Muslims are awakening … much has to do with the aggression, the tyranny being committed by America and its allied forces".

Rashid Ghazi describes the increasing tension between the mosque and the Pakistani authorities and declares he will never surrender, even as the soldiers begin to gather in the streets around the mosque and hopes of a negotiated settlement dwindle.

The film also offers unique access to the Jamia Hafsa madrasa, the religious seminary for women attached to the Red Mosque.

Umme Hassan, the woman who ran the madrasa, explains the philosophy behind the seminary.

"We work for what God wants. The government hasn't fulfilled its duty and when it doesn't, according to the Prophet, the responsibility falls on the clerics."

Two days into the filming, clashes erupted at the mosque between students and security forces.

A week later, an estimated 100 people were dead.

Already, the storming of the mosque has led to violent attacks on government targets around Pakistan.

This Witness Special will broadcast at the following times GMT:

Saturday 28 July: (1900)
Sunday 29 July: (2400, 0500, 1100)

WITNESS SPECIAL: Red Mosque

very informative brother..but I hate to say I missed the proggramme. U posted abt 2 hrs back nit's already monday morning here. How could I ve watched it. I'l still check it out today.Mayb they'l show it again.

**AmarFaisal** · 07-30-2007

Wanted to post some news other than political

Karachi seashore to be cleared of dead fish by today: KPT

KARACHI: In reaction to the discovery of hundreds of dead fish in Karachi’s Keamari Harbour on Saturday night, Dr Saghir Ahmed, provincial minister for Environment and Alternative Energy, said that marine pollution was not the cause of their death.

He stated that these fish were thrown by fishermen from their trawlers. Nonetheless, he said that specimens have been sent for a laboratory test to ascertain the real cause of death.

Meanwhile, the officials of Karachi Port Trust (KPT) have said that the site would be cleared of the dead fish today (Monday).

Saghir Ahmed also promised to issue a complete report on the matter, which would be disclosed to the public after the completion of the official investigation. He directed his staff to remain in contact with the officials of Marine Department.

However, he said that the recent rainwater might have carried harmful chemicals to the sea resulting in the death of fish.

Corroborating such a point of view, Tahir Qureshi, Director, Coastal Ecosystem, the World Conservation Union (IUCN) based in Pakistan says that, “About 300 million gallons of untreated industrial and municipal waste is thrown into the Arabian Sea every day”.

The callousness of an indifferent bureaucracy, he said, has transformed Karachi Harbour into a septic pool.

The role of trawlers, if any, in relation to the discovery is still unclear.

According to sources, fishing trawlers, which are supposed to operate beyond 35-miles of the coastal belt, violate all sorts of laws unabashedly thanks to weak surveillance network and a corrupt bureaucracy, which tacitly allows the owners of these trawlers to go unpunished.

http://www.geo.tv/geonews/details.asp?id=9513&param=1

**binAadam** · 08-05-2007

Originally Posted by AmarFaisal

very informative brother..but I hate to say I missed the proggramme. U posted abt 2 hrs back nit's already monday morning here. How could I ve watched it. I'l still check it out today.Mayb they'l show it again.

The video of the program is now available on this page, sis; you still can watch there inshaAllah.

**AmarFaisal** · 08-05-2007

yes brother I can see the you tube videos but can't I download them and view them?

**MTAFFI** · 08-07-2007

Looks like Pakistan is really trying to keep US forces outside their borders! Good for them, I am glad they decided to try and get a better handle on their situation with the tribal regions
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070807/...re_as/pakistan

Pakistan forces destroy militant hideout By BASHIRULLAH KHAN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 38 minutes ago

MIRAN SHAH, Pakistan - Helicopter gunships and artillery on Tuesday bombarded two militant hideouts that had been used to launch attacks on security forces in a troubled tribal region near the Afghan border, the Pakistani army said.

Spokesman Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad said forces targeted a pair of compounds in Daygan, a village about 10 miles west of North Waziristan's main town of Miran Shah after receiving "credible intelligence that militants were present there."

It appeared to be the army's toughest military action in the lawless border region after a month of escalating violence, and came a day after foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said al-Qaida and the Taliban had no safe havens in the tribal zone.

Cobra helicopter gunships and artillery launched the attack early in the morning and it lasted about four hours, Arshad said. No ground forces were used in the assault, and there was no immediate word on militant casualties.

"The militants used to regroup and prepare attacks on security forces and take refuge at these compounds, so security forces targeted them," Arshad told Dawn television, calling the compounds a "staging post."

A local security official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to journalists, said the militants had retaliated and both sides had used light and heavy weapons.

Residents in Miran Shah could hear the artillery and said a stray mortar struck a home, wounding three civilians, including two children, who had been transported to a hospital in the town.

The security official confirmed that some weapons fire had hit a home in Daygan, and that three or four people had been injured.

The assault appeared to be the toughest military action since troops that were withdrawn from key checkpoints under a controversial peace deal with pro-Taliban militants in September 2006 were redeployed to North Waziristan about a month ago — prompting militants to pull out of the deal and resume attacks.

President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a key ally of the United States in its war on terror, is under pressure from Washington to crack down on militants after U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that the peace deal had allowed al-Qaida to regroup.

Musharraf said Tuesday that recent suggestions from the U.S. that it might launch unilateral strikes against al-Qaida in Pakistan were "counterproductive" to the fight against terrorism, the government said.

Musharraf's comments were the highest-level rejection by Pakistan of comments by senior U.S. officials and presidential candidates about the possibility of U.S. strikes within the country, a possibility that Pakistan views as challenging its sovereignty.

President Bush said Monday that the U.S. and Pakistan, if armed with good intelligence, could track and kill al-Qaida leaders in Pakistan, but stopped short of saying whether he would ask the Pakistani president before dispatching U.S. troops there.

Violence has surged in Pakistan, particularly along its northwestern frontier with Afghanistan, since an army raid on Islamabad's pro-Taliban Red Mosque in early July. In all, more than 350 people have died in suicide bombings and clashes between militants and security forces.

Pakistan says it has 90,000 troops deployed near the border to combat militancy and attacks on Western and Afghan forces in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, A bomb exploded at a bus station in the northwestern Pakistan city of Peshawar on Tuesday, but no one was hurt, police said.

The explosion ripped through Peshawar's main terminal near an empty bus, said Fazl-e-Maula Khan, a city police officer.

Khan said no one was hurt in the blast.

**MTAFFI** · 08-07-2007

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070807/...re_as/pakistan

Musharraf rejects US strikes in Pakistan By ROHAN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 1 minute ago

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - President Gen. Pervez Musharraf said Tuesday that talk of U.S. military strikes against al-Qaida in Pakistan only hurts the fight against terrorism, and his troops bombarded militant hideouts in their strongest response yet to a month of anti-government attacks. Ten suspected militants were killed.

The assault by artillery and helicopter gunships "knocked out" two compounds in Daygan village in the tribal belt near the border with Afghanistan that were being used as staging posts for attacks on security forces, said Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad, the army's top spokesman.

Ten militants were killed and at least seven were wounded in the operation, about 10 miles west of Miran Shah, the main town in the North Waziristan region, he said.

No ground troops were used in the operation, and the report on militant casualties was based on information from "local sources," he said without elaborating.

There were at least four smaller-scale bombings and shootings in the border region Tuesday, the latest in almost daily violence that has intensified pressure on Musharraf to crack down on militants in the area.

Musharraf, a key ally in Washington's war against terrorism, told visiting Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., that comments by senior U.S. officials and presidential hopefuls about the possibility of unilateral U.S. strikes within the country were not helpful. Musharraf met Durbin in the southern city of Karachi.

"He emphasized that only Pakistan's security forces, which were fully capable of dealing with any situation, would take counterterrorism action inside Pakistani territory," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

"The president pointed out that certain recent U.S. statements were counterproductive to the close cooperation and coordination between the two countries in combating the threat of terrorism," the ministry said.

President Bush said Monday that America and Pakistan, if armed with good intelligence, could track and kill al-Qaida leaders in Pakistan. He stopped short of saying whether he would ask Musharraf before dispatching U.S. troops to the country.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., a presidential candidate, has said that he would use military force in Pakistan if necessary to root out terrorists, prompting angry responses from Pakistani officials.

Musharraf also described a new law tying U.S. aid to Pakistan to progress in combatting militants as an "irritant in the bilateral relationship," the statement said.

His comments came two days before he is due to hold talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai about border security at a tribal council, or jirga, in Afghanistan.

Arshad said U.S.-made Cobra helicopter gunships and artillery attacked the compounds in North Waziristan about 5 a.m. after receiving intelligence that militants were there. Militants fired back with light and heavy weapons. The clash lasted about four hours, he said.

"The militants used to regroup and prepare attacks on security forces and take refuge at these compounds, so security forces targeted them," Arshad told Dawn television.

A local security official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of his job, said a stray mortar round had hit a home in Miran Shah, injuring three or four people.

The Daygan assault appeared to be the toughest military action since troops withdrawn from the tribal zone in September 2006 began to redeploy there in July, following the collapse of a controversial peace deal with pro-Taliban militants.

Since then, attacks on government forces have risen, and more than 360 people have been killed, including at least 102 in the army's raid last month of the radical Red Mosque in Islamabad. Militants have vowed to avenge those deaths.

Elsewhere along the border Tuesday, a soldier was killed in a drive-by attack on security forces by two men on a motorcycle in North West Frontier Province, according to police official Israr Khan. Another soldier was killed in North Waziristan by a bomb that exploded near him as he fetched water from a stream, a security official said.

In Bannu, a city near North Waziristan, a bomb exploded Tuesday evening close to a police station, injuring five civilians but no police, said Amir Maqbool Shah, a Bannu police officer.

**AmarFaisal** · 08-08-2007

I am sure many of us r pleased with the above news.

Below

25 villages in Chinniot submerged with River Chenab water from India

LAHORE: More than 25 villages in Chinniot submerged with the Chenab river water released from Indian side. Local administration has divided Chinniot tehsil in nine sectors to meet the emergency situation.

The administration has started announcements from loudspeakers of mosques for immediate evacuation of the population to safer places in view of expected flooding in the area.

The administration is taking safety measures to meet the flood threat after discharge of river water from India to Pakistan. The flood stream would pass through Chinniot at Wednesday midnight.

More than 25 villages in tehsil Chinniot submerged with sudden release of the Chenab river water from India. The villages included Yakke, Khizirke, Salok, Kharkan, Lolebale, Lal Da Burj, Kot Amir Shah, Bakhshke, Kot Khudaya and other villages near River Chenab

http://www.geo.tv/geonews/details.asp?id=9872&param=1

**AmarFaisal** · 08-08-2007

Bolan flooding cuts Quetta-Sibbi section land link

QUETTA: National Highway inundated as River Bolan flooded near Dadar area of district Bolan cutting the land link of Quetta-Sibbi section with rest of the country.

According officials of district Bolan, torrential rain in Bolan, which lasted for three hours last night, had increased the water pressure, which created flooding in River Bolan cutting down the land link of Balochistan from rest of the country.

The officials said that restoration of land route is difficult before receding of water. Wapda sources said that heavy rains damaged the 220-KV transmission line disrupted power supply to Quetta, Mastung, Pesheen, Ziarat. The power supply to Quetta and district Bolan was restored late in the night.

http://www.geo.tv/geonews/details.asp?id=9847&param=1

**AmarFaisal** · 08-08-2007

CIA orchestrated slaying of Chinese in Pakistan: Parliamentary Secretary

ISLAMABAD: CIA had orchestrated slaying of Chinese nationals in Pakistan, parliamentary secretary for defence Tuesday said in National Assembly session.

Taking part in foreign policy debate in the house, Parliamentary Secretary for Defence Syed Tanveer Hussain said a false love affair with the United States should be curtailed. He also called for better relations with Iran, Russia and China.

“The aid that forces us to treat our own people brutally should be spewed out,” he said.

He also called for raising slogan of Jihad to take revenge from America.

He said the United States and India have similar interests in Kashmir and a conspiracy being hatched to make the region autonomous.

He said the Kashmir issue wouldn’t be resolved on table adding that allowing free entry to Jihadis in Kashmir can resolve the issue within one month.

http://www.geo.tv/geonews/details.asp?id=9851&param=1

**wilberhum** · 08-08-2007

Seeing what a man with no evedance can say is interesting.

**Haidar_Abbas** · 08-08-2007

barakAllahu feeki ukhtee Amar,
keltoi: lollll we're still fighting for it dont worry itll be liberated by means of shariah and islam soon enough

**AmarFaisal** · 08-08-2007

Originally Posted by wilberhum

Seeing what a man with no evedance can say is interesting.

A lot has been happening around the world without evidence.......

**wilberhum** · 08-08-2007

Originally Posted by AmarFaisal

A lot has been happening around the world without evidence.......

That is true, always has been, allways will be.

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