News 4m Pakistan

**AmarFaisal** · 07-27-2007

To the Mods: We need a thread where we can share n put the news from Pakistan. If u want us to create one for every news, then we shall. But I think it would be more convieneint to have just one.

To the Users on the forum: We shall try our best not to backbite or "discuss" matters in such ways. We shall use this thread solely to update news on Pakistan to others interested.

COming back to the news:

Razak Bughti , the governments speaker for Baluchistan has been shot dead in his car.

I heard this news on Geo and haven't found it covered on net yet. I shall put a source as soon as I find one.

**NoName55** · 08-10-2007

Originally Posted by Darkseid

Germans, not brits. More Americans are of German descent.

And actually we can say American, because most of us do have some Native American ancestory and we do have a different culture and dialect of english from that of the Brits.

LMFAO! Racist you say? Honestly, where is racism being implied? I mean you are insisting that Pakistanis are an actual race of people rather than a divergent group of tribes and states that were formally apart of a British colony that was conquered and oppressed by the westerners for hundreds years.

Well don't you recall than Bangladesh was once a part of Pakistan (formally known as East Pakistan). Does that make Bangladesh still a part of Pakistan after being seperated or does that mean after being split form Pakistan you are no longer Pakistani.

I mean the Punjab people live in both India and Pakistan. THey consider themselves to be Punjabs rather than as Indians or Pakistanis.

And here is something else for you too.

http://www.balochmedia.net/

The administrator of this website is a sunni muslim of the Balochi region of Pakistan that highly advocates the independence of Balochistan from Pakistan and Iran. So honestly, what were you thinking of when you said that statement?

I have someone from that region that told me all about it which is much incite than just reading. However, I have read a great amount of the history of Balochistan and Pakistan.

Honestly, there is no true union of the people outside of religious boundaries. Balochis and Pashtuns are Iranic. In fact Pashtuns are called Afghans in Afghanistan, which makes it more clear to united those two regions together. The other two region of Pakistan are sindh and punjab, which are Indo-Aryan and therefore share more close ties to India than they do to the Iranic regions of Balochistan and Afghanistan/Pashtunistan.

In fact the only reason why the country is together rather than falling apart is in fact due to its militaristic government.

If It were up to me I would make you take you deviding tactics and obscene filth some place else!

I only wish we still had kadafi, fisabilillah almadani here!

we are trying to get away from concept of racism and tribes are used only for localised ID purposes and healthy competition in armed forces (to see which brings more pride or disgrace upon the ummah) not for fighting amongst ourselves, which you will have us do.

**Muezzin** · 08-10-2007

Originally Posted by Darkseid

Are you Balochi, Pashto (Afghan), Punjab, or a different ethnic group in Pakistan?

Punjab

You can't really say Pakistani descent, since Pakistan was nothing more than a federation of muslim states from the British Raj of India.

Okay. Technicalities...

**snakelegs** · 08-10-2007

Originally Posted by NoName55

If It were up to me I would make you take you deviding tactics and obscene filth some place else!

I only wish we still had kadafi, fisabilillah almadani here!

we are trying to get away from concept of racism and tribes are used only for localised ID purposes and healthy competition in armed forces (to see which brings more pride or disgrace upon the ummah) not for fighting amongst ourselves, which you will have us do.

here are the keys to the Secret Kingdom:
fi_sabililllah is now qatada
al madani is now >-< tho it doesn't quite look like that when he types it.
sneaky little bunch, aren't they?

**NoName55** · 08-10-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

here are the keys to the Secret Kingdom:
fi_sabililllah is now qatada
al madani is now >-< tho it doesn't quite look like that when he types it.
sneaky little bunch, aren't they?

be that as it may but al_Madani vanished more than a month ago and I have not seen qatada for over a week and others dont bother postin any replies now (kadafi, ansar)

**snakelegs** · 08-10-2007

Originally Posted by NoName55

be that as it may but al_Madani vanished more than a month ago and I have not seen qatada for over a week and others dont bother postin any replies now (kadafi, ansar)

come to think of it - you're right. it's been a while since i've seen any posts by either of them.
kadafi and ansar have been pretty quiet for months.
maybe they took the LI family jewels and ran!

**Tania** · 08-12-2007

Tomorrow is 14th august. The people will have a day off to celebrate

**snakelegs** · 08-13-2007

i have a question for pakistanis. how free is the urdu press in pakistan? i can't read urdu well enough yet to tell anything.
the english language press is obviously very free - this is why i am wondering. i can't imagine that the urdu press would have anywhere near that much freedom.
another question:
what do you make of the supreme court's ruling that freed javed hashmi - what does it mean, etc.
tania,
the answer to your question is yes. but the Official Forum Viewpoint is that it is forbidden to celebrate it, so it is best not to mention it.

**Tania** · 08-13-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

tania,
the answer to your question is yes. but the Official Forum Viewpoint is that it is forbidden to celebrate it, so it is best not to mention it.

Ohh, thats was the easiest question to ask in such a political thread

**Hashim_507** · 08-13-2007

The reason to invade afghanistan was not to get so-called bin laden man but to destroy pakistan government and get rid of the nuclear establishment. Look at pakistan situation now; it was the perfect setup.

**AmarFaisal** · 08-13-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

i have a question for pakistanis. how free is the urdu press in pakistan? i can't read urdu well enough yet to tell anything.
the english language press is obviously very free - this is why i am wondering. i can't imagine that the urdu press would have anywhere near that much freedom.
another question:
what do you make of the supreme court's ruling that freed javed hashmi - what does it mean, etc.
tania,
the answer to your question is yes. but the Official Forum Viewpoint is that it is forbidden to celebrate it, so it is best not to mention it.

In my view the Urdu press in as free as the english press in Pakistan.
Infact, some afternoon and evening newspapers r the best to get the real news. While other noon newspapers give so much gossip, u can hardly figure out what the truth is

Jang being the most circulated urdu newspaper in Pakistan, is not bad. And it is considered to be the pioneer in Urdu and Pakistan Journalism.

Tania
Tomorrow is 14th august. The people will have a day off to celebrate

Independence day brings back sweet memories of the 3 years I spend in school in Pakistan, Karachi. We used to prepare for days to sing national anthems n songs in the assembly. Specially prepare clothes for this day, in green and white. Out street boys would collect charity and decorate the whole street with lights. And we would cut the cake calling all people in the street to this celebration (the street had around 30-40 houses). There would be a competition on which streets were the best. We would decorate our car with flags n go out in a procession shouting " Jivey Jivey Pakistan" or " Dil Dil Pakistan". My brother who was just 8yrs then, put up a stall for Badges of Pakistan and sell them in the street.

We would also decorate our gallery, balcony with flags. Our father would wake us up early in the morning to watch the shows of the Independence day on the TV.

but the Official Forum Viewpoint is that it is forbidden to celebrate it, so it is best not to mention it.

All that I mentioned above is not to put forward the idea of celebration. But lets say, I just mentioned how an average Pakistan child views his independence day.

what do you make of the supreme court's ruling that freed javed hashmi - what does it mean, etc.

**snakelegs** · 08-13-2007

Originally Posted by AmarFaisal

In my view the Urdu press in as free as the english press in Pakistan.
Infact, some afternoon and evening newspapers r the best to get the real news. While other noon newspapers give so much gossip, u can hardly figure out what the truth is

Jang being the most circulated urdu newspaper in Pakistan, is not bad. And it is considered to be the pioneer in Urdu and Pakistan Journalism.

that's good to know!

Independence day brings back sweet memories of the 3 years I spend in school in Pakistan, Karachi. We used to prepare for days to sing national anthems n songs in the assembly. Specially prepare clothes for this day, in green and white. Out street boys would collect charity and decorate the whole street with lights. And we would cut the cake calling all people in the street to this celebration (the street had around 30-40 houses). There would be a competition on which streets were the best. We would decorate our car with flags n go out in a procession shouting " Jivey Jivey Pakistan" or " Dil Dil Pakistan". My brother who was just 8yrs then, put up a stall for Badges of Pakistan and sell them in the street.

We would also decorate our gallery, balcony with flags. Our father would wake us up early in the morning to watch the shows of the Independence day on the TV.

All that I mentioned above is not to put forward the idea of celebration. But lets say, I just mentioned how an average Pakistan child views his independence day.

while celebration of things like indepence day is an issue, i have confirmed - thanks to the link muhammad gave on the other thread that got closed - what i thought but wasn't sure of:

"But the natural love that a person feels for the place where he grew up is something that is not regarded as blameworthy by sharee’ah, so long as that does not distract you from acts of worship and obedience which are more important."

so this is basically common sense.
there is no question that nationalism is not simply love of your country, etc - but can be a very negative force. (like nazis, or even hyperpatriotic flag waving americans, for that matter - a matter of degree).

btw, the link was:
http://www.islamicboard.com/803688-post29.html

for background on release of javed hashmi:
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/aug2007-w...2007/dia.htm#4

there is so much happening in pakistan it is probably even difficult for a pakistani in pakistan to evaluate what it all means - let alone a non-pakistani on the other side of the world).
as pakistan turns 60, i can join you in wishing for a better future for your country and its people.

**snakelegs** · 08-29-2007

am wondering what pakistanis here think about the coming elections. are any of the main runners worthy of support?

Bhutto: Musharraf to quit Pakistan army
By Isambard Wilkinson in Islamabad
Last Updated: 6:12am BST 29/08/2007

President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan has agreed to resign as army chief in a power-sharing deal with Benazir Bhutto, the exiled former prime minister claimed yesterday.

He had previously insisted that he would remain army chief while standing for re-election as president. But a deepening political crisis appears to have forced the general, a key ally in the US-led war on -terror, to compromise.

After months of secretive political horse-trading Ms Bhutto, who has consistently claimed that she would not strike a deal with Gen Musharraf unless he stepped down as army chief, told The Daily Telegraph yesterday that the "uniform issue is resolved".

for the rest of the story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...29/wpak129.xml

**ahsan28** · 08-29-2007

[QUOTE=snakelegs;there is so much happening in pakistan it is probably even difficult for a pakistani in pakistan to evaluate what it all means - let alone a non-pakistani on the other side of the world).[/QUOTE]

Less knowledge is a blessing

**Tania** · 08-29-2007

But who is running for election : Musharraf and Bhutto

only them

**snakelegs** · 08-29-2007

so, nobody is terribly enthused about any of the likely candidates?
another piece of news is that the supreme court is demanding an investigation into the whole lal masjid thingie.
also:
KABUL: The US-led coalition in Afghanistan has admitted it did not have permission from Pakistan to strike Taliban positions across the border at the weekend, citing a “miscommunication” problem.

The coalition had insisted it was given the go-ahead for the attack inside Pakistan on Saturday that destroyed six Taliban firing posts on both sides of the frontier, killing more than a dozen rebels.

The coalition said in a statement late on Monday it had investigated further and found that Pakistan had not actually given permission. “We regret the miscommunication in this event,” said the coalition’s deputy commanding general for operations, Brigadier General Joseph Votel.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=9832

tania,
nawaz sharif will probably come back. he's the one that general musharraf overthrew in '99. both bhutto and sharif had been accused of corruption.
i think they and president musharraf will be the main choices and i don't know if anybody is terribly excited about any of them. but some will be (relatively) happy if the general takes off the uniform, i think.

**Tania** · 08-30-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

nawaz sharif will probably come back. he's the one that general musharraf overthrew in '99. both bhutto and sharif had been accused of corruption.
i think they and president musharraf will be the main choices and i don't know if anybody is terribly excited about any of them. but some will be (relatively) happy if the general takes off the uniform, i think.

If they had been accused of corruption why the political parties don't send another candidates for election

We had around 8 people running for the president elections in 2004 representing the main political parties.

How many political parties are in Pakistan

3 its a too small number for such a big country

**ahsan28** · 08-30-2007

Originally Posted by Tania

How many political parties are in Pakistan

3 its a too small number for such a big country

Count again, please.

**Tania** · 08-30-2007

Originally Posted by ahsan28

Count again, please.

1. Pervez Musharraf
2. Benazir Bhutto
3. Nawaz Sharif

Its not good

**snakelegs** · 08-31-2007

nawaz sharif has announced that he will return on sept. 10.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/default.stm
question: couldn't both bhutto and sharif be arrested on the outstanding corruption charges when they come back?
tania,
there are about 4 or 5 major parties and lots of little bitty ones.
if i'm wrong, somebody please correct me.

**Tania** · 08-31-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

nawaz sharif has announced that he will return on sept. 10.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/default.stm
question: couldn't both bhutto and sharif be arrested on the outstanding corruption charges when they come back?

But if they are arrested it means Pervez will remain alone in election.

That can't happen. It must be at least 2.
Our political parties are much better because each sent a man in election, so we had at least 8 candidates