News 4m Pakistan

Thread approved, but if fighting results those posts will be deleted and the thread might be locked.

So I agree, people should play nice.

Haven't heard much about Kashmir lately. Have India and Pakistan come to terms on this issue? Probably not.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama

only people rude and arrogant not mention ignorant here are you and your kind like keltio and congito boy. ketllepot was not even on the right topic much less share anything worth reading.

Kashmir has nothing to do with Pakistan? Interesting. I was under the assumption this was a general thread about Pakistan, not specific to Musharaff. From the responses to this thread so far, I probably wouldn't have gotten a worthwhile answer anyway.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070727/...akistan_mosque

Bombing, mosque riot rock Islamabad By SADAQAT JAN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 6 minutes ago


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A suspected suicide bomber killed at least 13 people at a hotel Friday after hundreds of stone-throwing protesters clashed with police as the capital's Red Mosque reopened for the first time since a bloody army raid ousted pro-Taliban militants holed up there.

The blast, targeting police, was the latest in a string of militant revenge attacks and deepened the security crisis facing President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a close U.S. ally.

The bombing comes on the back of almost daily suicide blasts in Pakistan's restive northwestern frontier, where Musharraf is also under U.S. pressure to crack down on al-Qaida. More than 300 people have died in violence which began with the siege of the Red Mosque at the start of July.

Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema said the government had received intelligence about a possible suicide bombing in the Aabpara market where the attack happened about 5:15 p.m. Friday. He said there would be an official inquiry into the security lapse, but he also blamed the mosque unrest for creating the conditions in which an attacker could strike.

"If these people had not created such a situation, it would not have happened," he said, adding the mosque was now indefinitely closed.

Authorities had hoped to restore normalcy to the once-staid Pakistani capital by reopening the Lal Masjid, or Red Mosque, to the public more than two weeks after the commando raid dislodged militant supporters of its pro-Taliban clerics.

But religious students, angered by the government's move to assign a cleric from another mosque to lead Friday prayers, staged protests inside the Red Mosque's compound and occupied it for several hours.

They daubed red paint onto the walls and dome to restore its namesake color after a government restoration left it pale yellow. They also put up a black flag with two crossed swords — meant to symbolize jihad, or holy war. Street battles then broke out between stone-throwing protesters and police using tear gas.

Soon after came a thunderous blast in an open-air restaurant at the Muzaffar Hotel, located in a crowded market district about a quarter-mile away from the mosque.

Cheema said it was a "pre-planned bombing" targeting police.

"It was a huge explosion," said witness Mohammed Ali. "There were policemen sitting and standing at the restaurant, and the explosion occurred after someone came near them," he said, his shirt stained from the blood of victims he helped carry to ambulances.

"A policeman got blown into the air and landed away from the blast site," said another witness, Imtiaz Ahmed.

Television footage showed rescuers rushing bodies from the scene, many bleeding and others partially stripped of their clothes and with skin blackened and raw from the blast.

Khalid Pervez, Islamabad's top administrator, said 13 people were killed, including seven police, and 71 were wounded, mostly bystanders.

Cheema said investigators had also recovered a head believed to be that of the attacker.

There was no claim of responsibility for the bombing, but Islamic militants were strongly suspected. It was the second major bombing to hit this city in 11 days. A July 17 suicide attack killed 16 people at a planned rally for the country's top judge.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz condemned the latest attack and said it would not deter the government's resolve to fight terrorism, the state Associated Press of Pakistan reported.

Islamabad had been gradually recovering from the mosque siege that left at least 102 dead, although security forces are still deployed at sandbagged bunkers on street corners.

Authorities had repaired the blast-scorched interior of the mosque, its damaged minarets and the bullet-riddled roof over its entrance hall.

But hopes that reopening the mosque would cool public anger over the siege — amid lingering skepticism over the official death toll — were dashed.

Bearded religious students and other hard-liners who gathered for prayers soon began chanting anti-government slogans and took control of the mosque compound.

"Musharraf is a dog! He is worse than a dog! He should resign!" students shouted.

They demanded the mosque's former chief cleric, Abdul Aziz, be allowed to lead the prayers. Aziz was caught trying to escape the mosque compound during the siege wearing a woman's burqa. He is currently in government detention.

The crowd also shouted support for Aziz's brother, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, who led the siege until he was shot dead by security forces after refusing to surrender. He had spearheaded a vigilante, Islamic anti-vice campaign that had challenged the government's writ in the city.

"Ghazi, your blood will lead to a revolution," the protesters chanted.

Maulana Ashfaq Ahmed, the senior cleric whom the government had asked to lead the prayers, was quickly escorted from the mosque, as protesters waved angry gestures at him.

In a speech at the main entrance of the mosque, Liaqat Baloch, deputy leader of a coalition of hard-line religious parties, the Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal, condemned Musharraf as a "killer."

"Maulana Abdul Aziz is still the prayer leader of the mosque. The blood of martyrs will bear fruit. This struggle will reach its destination of an Islamic revolution. Musharraf is a killer of the constitution. He's a killer of male and female students. The entire world will see him hang," Baloch said.

Unrest later broke out on the street outside, as protesters confronted scores of riot police backed by armored personnel carriers. Police were armed, but there was no gunfire or reports of serious injuries.

After the bombing, police retook control of the mosque, said Zafar Iqbal, the city police chief. Some protesters resisted and about 50 people were arrested, he said.

Wahajat Aziz, a government worker who was among the protesters at the Red Mosque, said officials were too hasty in reopening the mosque.

"They brought an imam that people had opposed in the past," he said. "This created tension in the environment. People's emotions have not cooled down yet."

What do people think of this? Do these people have the right to behave this way and attack their government and security forces? It seems this sort of thing keeps happening in these Arab or middle east countries, what is the problem and how do these people get the mindset that it is alright to create this sort of disruption and violence in society... What must be done to stop it?

format_quote Originally Posted by MTAFFI

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070727/...akistan_mosque



What do people think of this? Do these people have the right to behave this way and attack their government and security forces? It seems this sort of thing keeps happening in these Arab or middle east countries, what is the problem and how do these people get the mindset that it is alright to create this sort of disruption and violence in society... What must be done to stop it?

Martial Law and curfews in affected areas with orders to shoot to kill rioters and inciters on sight.

Without making examples of few hundred we are going to lose tens of thousands.

Hindus are watching with eagerness to jump-in like they did in 71, so we have to look in all directions and go in hard and come out fast as we can not afford to get bogged down.

format_quote Originally Posted by doorster

Martial Law and curfews in affected areas with orders to shoot to kill rioters and inciters on sight.

Without making examples of few hundred we are going to lose tens of thousands.

Hindus are watching with eagerness to jump-in like they did in 71, so we have to look in all directions and go in hard and come out fast as we can not afford to get bogged down.

i am afraid you may be right - on all counts. yet i think there are some that are hoping to force president musharraf to impose martial law.
obviously no country can allow this lawlessness so there may be no alternative.
were the people acting islamically when rather than pray behind the gov't appointed cleric, they chose not to pray at all?

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama

The people chose to pray, they just chose not to pray behind a gov't appointed cleric. The people want only a kin of one of the matyred in this massacre to lead the prayers . The whole nation is against the dictator and he is trying to oppress them more to control the situation. If you noticed, all the attacks have been against the police and army, a legtimate target in defense of the massacred and retaliation for the atrocities.

I find it funny how the kuffars here (not you) whined why the iraqi ppl didn't stand up to saddam and now they whine again when people of pakistan stand up to busharaaf and are fighting back, these same kuffars now cry that "law & order" must be followered. we have such two face hypocrites here.

the thing is that these people are acting illegally and no government, can condone that.
also, there were protest demonstrations about the issue of lal masjid and they were very poorly attended which indicates that they do not even have popular support.
there are people who want shariah in pakistan (though i think it is far from being a majority) but there are not many who want to see it come about by using the methods these people have used.
pakistan has so many problems - why do they need this one?

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama

The people chose to pray, they just chose not to pray behind a gov't appointed cleric. The people want only a kin of one of the matyred in this massacre to lead the prayers . The whole nation is against the dictator and he is trying to oppress them more to control the situation. If you noticed, all the attacks have been against the police and army, a legtimate target in defense of the massacred and retaliation for the atrocities.

I find it funny how the kuffars here (not you) whined why the iraqi ppl didn't stand up to saddam and now they whine again when people of pakistan stand up to busharaaf and are fighting back, these same kuffars now cry that "law & order" must be followered. we have such two face hypocrites here.

Musharaff and Saddam are two different leaders with two completely different track records. Yes, Musharaff is a military dictator, but he isn't known for using chemical weapons on his own people or propping up a police force notorious for rape, torture, and murder. These are different situations entirely. It doesn't matter what government is in power, that government will not allow anarchy or armed militias to challenge its authority, especially not religious extremists who have already stated they want Musharaff dead.

Perhaps if these poor people Musharaff is "persecuting" weren't also blowing up innocent people with suicide bombs there might be a little more sympathy for them.

If you noticed, all the attacks have been against the police and army, a legtimate target in defense of the massacred and retaliation for the atrocities.

It would be funny, were it not so sick, twisted and tragic!

in defense of the massacred

Murdering policemen and soldiers is "defense of the massacred"?

retaliation for the atrocities

Inciting revenge attacks against Muslims is halal?

God dang traitors and shills are running amok

Musharaff is a military dictator, but he isn't known for using chemical weapons

They used WP-white phosphorus in Lal masjid operation! and Aijaz ul Haq has confirmed that!
http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2007/07...ation-silence/