Alhamdulilah I attended the Khilafah talk in London on 4th August. MarshAllah it was good. I am not a member of the Hizb, yet, have a lot of friends who are, and all I hear is how I can't make a difference unless I am in the Hizb. But isn't spreading Islam through Dawah the way to achieve the Khilafah? How does compulsory Hizb membership fit into that? This is my argument. InshAllah, just wanted to see what everyone here thought.
Khadijah
Last edited by AhlaamBella; 08-07-2007 at 03:39 PM.
dear sister, was the victories at Badr, Banu Qaynuqa, Uhud, Banu Nadir, Banu Qurayza, Hudaybiyyah, Khaybar, Mu'tah, Mekkah,Hunayn, Autas, Ta'if , Tabouk ..etc... due to the believers sitting around and saying "we wont get up and fight for our deen? hardly my dear sister, im not demeaning you but simply stating it takes more than throwing flowers at those who throw led to gain victory.
dear sister, was the victories at Badr, Banu Qaynuqa, Uhud, Banu Nadir, Banu Qurayza, Hudaybiyyah, Khaybar, Mu'tah, Mekkah,Hunayn, Autas, Ta'if , Tabouk ..etc... due to the believers sitting around and saying "we wont get up and fight for our deen? hardly my dear sister, im not demeaning you but simply stating it takes more than throwing flowers at those who throw led to gain victory.
Why don't we all just have a big fight? That's bound to make things better!
Why don't we all just have a big fight? That's bound to make things better!
Actually, what about aiming for...
Peace
His post does not necessarily mean that we just get in one big ring and fight. The truth is that when the previous victories came, they only came due to everyone willing to put their life on their line for the Religion i.e. sacrificing their own blood. And I repeat, that doesn't necessarily translate to unjust violence of any kind.
you'd prefer sitting in a cirlce playing guitar?(music is not permissable) i think not and its an issue in which should be solved within the ummah only.
dear sister, was the victories at Badr, Banu Qaynuqa, Uhud, Banu Nadir, Banu Qurayza, Hudaybiyyah, Khaybar, Mu'tah, Mekkah,Hunayn, Autas, Ta'if , Tabouk ..etc... due to the believers sitting around and saying "we wont get up and fight for our deen? hardly my dear sister, im not demeaning you but simply stating it takes more than throwing flowers at those who throw led to gain victory.
I understand what you mean. But, the Muslims in that time we using DEFENSIVE fighting. I know the muslims in this world need defending, but in this day and age, if a muslims hows aggression,they get arrested. We need another method
sis, quital fee sabeelillah is both offensive and defensive, its to both protect our ummah and fight to establish one since in this case of these times its shattered its out obligation and dear sis, most of those battles i mentioned we're offensive campaigns, and without them we wouldnt be here today saying La Ilaha IlAllah
sis, quital fee sabeelillah is both offensive and defensive, its to both protect our ummah and fight to establish one since in this case of these times its shattered its out obligation and dear sis, most of those battles i mentioned we're offensive campaigns, and without them we wouldnt be here today saying La Ilaha IlAllah
I'm still of the opinion that Violence should be a last resort. Islam is not spread by the sword...despite what people say
plz dear sis, think carefully of your opinion on this issue and perhaps seek some more knowledge on this authentic sort from the ulimah inshaAllah youll gather a greater understanding of the deen
you'd prefer sitting in a cirlce playing guitar?(music is not permissable) i think not and its an issue in which should be solved within the ummah only.
No, what I propose is engaging your brain and condemning calls for violence, rather than encouraging them, as you have clearly done here. People like you must bear a large part of the responsibility for Islam's bad public image on the world stage.
alhamdulillah we have ulema to make proper rulings for us to follow, and i obstain from sensationalistic terms like "condoning calls for violence" " Islamist terrorism" etc....we're not islamist we're muslims, we're not terrorists...and i do use my brain more than 10% alhamdulillah
Muslims Beware!
Shia infiltrators are very keen on qitaal (as long it is we who do it and get squished by kuffaar), they will push you forward into "jihad" then stab you in the back
uktee, means we gota fight for it , its the khalifah isnt gona make itself
And how should one fight for this in our time? Until the Muslim return to Quran and Sunnah I do not see the how this will happen. How should the Muslim fight a khalifah when they do not understand what is obligatory on them of Aqeedah ??!!
Al-Albani said:
"... everybody claims that the prophet is their role model. Our prophet SAW spent the first half of his message in making da3wa, and he started with it not with jihad. The prophet first raised his companions Islamic education like he educated them to say the word of truth and not be afraid of it, he also taught them the Islamic teachings. We know that our Islam today is not like it was when Allah revealed "today I have completed your religion", many things have indeed been added to Islam,..."
Imaam Ibn Qayyim said in his book Miftaah Daar us-Sa’aadah (vol.2, pp. 177-178):
“Contemplate on His wisdom in that He makes the kings and rules of the people those who have the same actions as them. Indeed, their actions manifested in the form of their leaders and kings. If they were steadfast, their kings became steadfast; if they were just, their rulers were likewise just to them; if they were unjust, their kings and rules would also be unjust. If plotting and treachery manifested amongst the people, it would likewise be manifested in their leaders. If they withheld from the rights of Allah and were stingy, their kings and rulers would also withhold their money and be stingy. If they took from those who were weak without right in their interactions with them, their kings and rulers would take from them without rights… so their actions are an image of their people’s actions and it is not from Devine Wisdom except that those who are evil and immoral are put over those who are like them in actions. When the first generation were the best of generations and the most righteous, their leaders were like that as well. Now though, the wisdom of Allaah denies that those ruling over us will be of the likeness of Mu’awiyah or ‘Umar bin ‘Abdul ‘Azeez not to mention the likes of Abee Bakr and ‘Umar! Rather, our leaders have our own condition and the leaders before represented the condition of the people they were ruling over. Both types each have their necessary wisdom and its own requisite. ”
Look at the speech of this noble Imaam, who was firmly grounded in knowledge and spoke with wisdom and exposition from the Book of Allaah and the sunnah of the Messenger (sallaahu alayhi wassallam)! Look at how he made clear to us that our leaders are from us and are a punishment to us! So if we obeyed Allaah and traversed the straight way then Allaah would bless us with leaders and rules like us. So whoever attributes the calamites of the Muslims to the rulers and leaders (solely) has greatly erred, is incorrect and is off the straight way.
Source taken from the Book; Who’s In For ‘Iraaq?! Shaykh ‘AbdulAzeez bin Rayees ar-Rayees; Pages 23-24
We must come back to Allah and than we shall gain success Insha Allah.
Last edited by Umm Yoosuf; 08-08-2007 at 07:08 PM.
And how should one fight for this in our time? Until the Muslim return to Quran and Sunnah I do not see the how this will happen. How should the Muslim fight a khalifah when they do not understand what is obligatory on them of Aqeedah ??!!
Al-Albani said:
"... everybody claims that the prophet is their role model. Our prophet SAW spent the first half of his message in making da3wa, and he started with it not with jihad. The prophet first raised his companions Islamic education like he educated them to say the word of truth and not be afraid of it, he also taught them the Islamic teachings. We know that our Islam today is not like it was when Allah revealed "today I have completed your religion", many things have indeed been added to Islam,..."
Imaam Ibn Qayyim said in his book Miftaah Daar us-Sa’aadah (vol.2, pp. 177-178):
“Contemplate on His wisdom in that He makes the kings and rules of the people those who have the same actions as them. Indeed, their actions manifested in the form of their leaders and kings. If they were steadfast, their kings became steadfast; if they were just, their rulers were likewise just to them; if they were unjust, their kings and rules would also be unjust. If plotting and treachery manifested amongst the people, it would likewise be manifested in their leaders. If they withheld from the rights of Allah and were stingy, their kings and rulers would also withhold their money and be stingy. If they took from those who were weak without right in their interactions with them, their kings and rulers would take from them without rights… so their actions are an image of their people’s actions and it is not from Devine Wisdom except that those who are evil and immoral are put over those who are like them in actions. When the first generation were the best of generations and the most righteous, their leaders were like that as well. Now though, the wisdom of Allaah denies that those ruling over us will be of the likeness of Mu’awiyah or ‘Umar bin ‘Abdul ‘Azeez not to mention the likes of Abee Bakr and ‘Umar! Rather, our leaders have our own condition and the leaders before represented the condition of the people they were ruling over. Both types each have their necessary wisdom and its own requisite. ”
Look at the speech of this noble Imaam, who was firmly grounded in knowledge and spoke with wisdom and exposition from the Book of Allaah and the sunnah of the Messenger (sallaahu alayhi wassallam)! Look at how he made clear to us that our leaders are from us and are a punishment to us! So if we obeyed Allaah and traversed the straight way then Allaah would bless us with leaders and rules like us. So whoever attributes the calamites of the Muslims to the rulers and leaders (solely) has greatly erred, is incorrect and is off the straight way.
Source taken from the Book; Who’s In For ‘Iraaq?! Shaykh ‘AbdulAzeez bin Rayees ar-Rayees; Pages 23-24
We must come back to Allah and than we shall gain success Insha Allah.
Alhamdulilah I attended the Khilafah talk in London on 4th August. MarshAllah it was good. I am not a member of the Hizb, yet, have a lot of friends who are, and all I hear is how I can't make a difference unless I am in the Hizb. But isn't spreading Islam through Dawah the way to achieve the Khilafah? How does compulsory Hizb membership fit into that? This is my argument. InshAllah, just wanted to see what everyone here thought.
Khadijah
The prophet PBUH told us only one group will enter Jannah... those who followed the Quran and sunnah.
He did not mention we have to be in a hizb, this is why i am against them........ every group thinks they are the ones in the right one.
How about putting ur trust in Muhammed's PBUH saying instead???
Alhamdulilah I attended the Khilafah talk in London on 4th August. MarshAllah it was good. I am not a member of the Hizb, yet, have a lot of friends who are, and all I hear is how I can't make a difference unless I am in the Hizb. But isn't spreading Islam through Dawah the way to achieve the Khilafah? How does compulsory Hizb membership fit into that? This is my argument. InshAllah, just wanted to see what everyone here thought.
Khadijah
Islam is going to break apart much like the first Caliphate.
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