Khilafah. How do we achieve it?

**AhlaamBella** · 08-05-2007

Alhamdulilah I attended the Khilafah talk in London on 4th August. MarshAllah it was good. I am not a member of the Hizb, yet, have a lot of friends who are, and all I hear is how I can't make a difference unless I am in the Hizb. But isn't spreading Islam through Dawah the way to achieve the Khilafah? How does compulsory Hizb membership fit into that? This is my argument. InshAllah, just wanted to see what everyone here thought.

Khadijah

**AhlaamBella** · 08-07-2007

Anybody? lol

**AhlaamBella** · 08-07-2007

No one?

**S_87** · 08-07-2007

which hizb would this be?
ive seen that many of these hizbs are all talk no action.
the first thing a person needs to do is fix themself, then the people around them. not political wise but spiritual wise.
something i read a long time ago went like this
establish shariah within yourselves and you will see it establish around you

so joining something and going to marches and lectures isnt going to do much use. imo

**seeker_of_ilm** · 08-07-2007

Hizb ut Tahrir......

Enough said.

**Umm Yoosuf** · 08-07-2007

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaah

Sister I advice you to stay away from these kind of people. All there talks are based on nothing but Khilafah! Khilafah! Khilafah! They need to submite to Allah subhan wa ta'aala first, they need to fulfil the right Allah has over them. If the Muslims submited to Allah completely and practised their religion according to the text, than Allah will grant them success.

**beespreeteam** · 08-08-2007

I know a lot of people in Australia who say that hizb do more bad than good by being unprepared and getting owned on tv etc LOL. I don't know, just what I've heard.

**AhlaamBella** · 08-08-2007

Originally Posted by Al-Mu'minah

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaah

Sister I advice you to stay away from these kind of people. All there talks are based on nothing but Khilafah! Khilafah! Khilafah! .

SubhanAllah sister I know what you mean! I try talking to them about even the most general of topics such as exam results, and one sister in particular ALWAYS manages to bring the conversation round to Khilafah. Alhamdulilah, not all of them are like that. But the typical stereotyped Hizb member is impossible to have a conversation with!

**InToTheRain** · 08-08-2007

Their Ideas are flawed even though some within all groups have sincere intentions so I wouldn't shut the door on their face so as to speak but maybe you should guide or advice them.

Even if they did get Khilafah how ill the maintain it? I dread the idea of a Khilfah ruled by the those who lack Emaan, taqwah, Ilm or Knowledge in Fiqh. Surely if the foundation is not strong it will crumble, and unfortunately just ain't ready yet. Allah(SWT) will change our situation once we change what is within us insha'allah. Therefore even if the Khilafah came tommorow, it will go down the day after.

If you think they are wrong then you should try to advice them as you should like for your brothers and sisters what you like for yourself insha'allah. Whether they accept or not is upto them. In my case they stayed away from me as I made it pretty clear to them what I believe. Within every group you will find some that are sincerely seeking the truth although the group mentality does stop one from looking at certain things objectively.

**AhlaamBella** · 08-08-2007

So true brother. However, speaking to them is easier said than done. They take everything personally. You'd need some sort of back up in order to have an orderly discussion

**InToTheRain** · 08-08-2007

Originally Posted by DeepOcean

So true brother. However, speaking to them is easier said than done. They take everything personally. You'd need some sort of back up in order to have an orderly discussion

I know what you mean :/ just make sure it's a 1 on 1 else sometimes they feel the heat under peer pressure etc I guess...it's all waswas, saytans wispers play with our mind.

Originally Posted by Alpha Dude

We should elect zAk to be the new Kalifha. :thankyou:

Ye bro just let me know when and where I should go to my Bayan

**AhlaamBella** · 08-08-2007

Originally Posted by WnbSlveOfAllah

I know what you mean :/ just make sure it's a 1 on 1 else sometimes they feel the heat under peer pressure etc I guess...it's all waswas, saytans wispers play with our mind.

I tried that once. I got ambushed

**KAding** · 08-08-2007

Stability! IMHO you have to have stability and prosperity before you can get unity. Insisting on unity when people are generally still uneducated and poor is a pipe dream. In such an environment people will always fail to 'think big' and tribalism will reign.

So I think you have to strive to make the individual countries stronger and more prosperous. At this point you don't have to insist yet on complete and total implementation of the Sharia, that will come automatically once people become more educated and the middle class gains more power. It is the only way to truly tame despotism and strive for a more just form of government. Similarly, unity will come automatically once that happens, because Muslims are ideologically inclined to cooperate with each other. Muslims should strive for an incremental European Union kind of approach to unity, rather then a 'big bang' kind of approach through global jihad or whatever.

So in short, try to limit infighting by not supporting rebels or vigilante Islamic justice. Such infighting is disastrous for the prospects of Islam, since it will only weaken the Muslim world.

This is just the opinion of a kaffir, so take it with a grain of salt

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**AhlaamBella** · 08-08-2007

I can understand what the Hizb are saying, and yes, we do need a Khilafah. But their methodology isn't right. I've been to many of their circles and their Islamic knowledge is VERY limited as all they reda and listen to is the Khilafah! It's all politics

**Muezzin** · 08-08-2007

I'm debating whether or not to close this thread. It just seems to be going in circles. Regardless of what we might think about the er... HT's, we shouldn't really resort to backbiting, which is what seems to be going on in place of actually discussing the topic. The topic itself poses a question which many people on this board lack the acumen to answer in the first place. Hmm...