'Lyrical terrorist' convicted for jihad poems (OP)
'Lyrical terrorist' convicted for jihad poems
Samina Malik: on her social networking website she said her interests were: "Helping the mujahaddin in any way which I can ... I am well known as lyrical terrorist"
A Heathrow worker who called herself the “Lyrical Terrorist” burst into tears today after becoming the first woman to be convicted under new terrorism legislation.
Samina Malik, 23, was found guilty at the Old Bailey of possessing records likely to be used for terrorism by a majority of 10 to one.
The court had heard that Malik, who worked at WH Smith, wrote poems entitled How To Behead and The Living Martyrs and stocked a "library" of documents useful to terrorists.
When her home was searched in October last year, police discovered a ring binder full of documents as well as a bracelet bearing the word "jihad". They also discovered a sticker on a mirror inside the door, bearing the words "lyrical terrorist".
In one handwritten document found by police, she wrote: "Many opportunities have been given to me but something always holds me back.
"I always sit alone to think and ponder how it would be to unite with the Muslim ummah and to go shoot rocket-launchers, help them load their ammunition, nurse the wounded, and what the atmosphere would be like."
Also found were publications by Sheikh Omar Bakri, the extremist cleric, as well as a printed-out version of the "declaration of war" by Osama bin Laden.
One poem found at her property, called The Living Martyrs, said: "Let us make Jihad/ Move to the front line/ To chop chop head of kuffar swine".
A second poem, called How to Behead, read: "It’s not as messy or as hard as some may think/ It’s all about the flow of the wrist."
Several documents were discovered on her computer, including The Mujaheddin Poisoner’s Handbook, Encyclopaedia Jihad, How To Win In Hand To Hand Combat, How To Make Bombs and Sniper Manual.
The court heard that Malik had also belonged to the social networking site Hi-5, a similar site to Facebook or MySpace. On this she listed her interests as: "Helping the mujahaddin in any way which I can ... I am well known as lyrical terrorist."
Under favourite TV shows, it said: "Watching videos by my Muslim brothers in Iraq, yep the beheading ones, watching video messages by Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri and other videos which show massacres of the kaffirs."
In another internet entry, the court heard, she wrote the names Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri, Sheikh Abu Qatada, Sheikh Osama bin Laden and Abu Musa al Zarqawi.
Sentencing Malik for possessing records likely to be useful in terrorism under the Terrorism Act 2000, Judge Peter Beaumont, the Recorder of London, bailed her under what he described as "house arrest" to be sentenced on December 6 and ordered reports into her family background.
He told her: "You have been in many respects a complete enigma to me." He warned her that "all sentencing options remain open".
On the other hand, it is also sad that people are defending this girl whilst at the same time critizing people who want to kick out Muslims and immigrants. Double standards work both ways people.
So, this is illegal hate speech whilst the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons and the BNP are freedom of expression? Sounds like double standards. I am not saying that what the girl said was right, but that if they want to hold their position they should logically outlaw the far-right and also condemn the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons.
Dubble Standards? Na, they have little in common.
If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.
Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.
If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.
Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.
Michael Savage said that people should kill 100 million Muslims, but I don't see him in jail. Far right leaders always talk about peresecuting Muslims in their manifestoes, but they aren't behind bars. And I remember a while back some people on YouTube made a speech about murdering Muslims, but I bet they are not in prison under terror laws...
If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.
Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.
hola wilberhum,
i think maybe you are not taking into consideration the cultural differences... while in our culture insults against a persons' religious deities or parents can be shrugged off as an attempt to provoke us, while a death threat is a crime and something to be taken seriously, for their culture they would much sooner have their persons' threatened than for somebody to commit (in their traditions) the crime of blasphemy.
this might sound fascist but i do not think there should be a freedom of speech.... people speak carelessly and insultingly toward each other and it only promotes hostility, some things should not be said. but i do not like politics very much, the rules of politeness make far more sense to me than the rules of politics...
Michael Savage said that people should kill 100 million Muslims, but I don't see him in jail. Far right leaders always talk about peresecuting Muslims in their manifestoes, but they aren't behind bars. And I remember a while back some people on YouTube made a speech about murdering Muslims, but I bet they are not in prison under terror laws...
Are you implying that Western justice is not perfect?
Of coures it is. Ya, Right! (Just playing with you)
There never has and there never will be perfect justice under any system.
this might sound fascist but i do not think there should be a freedom of speech.... people speak carelessly and insultingly toward each other and it only promotes hostility, some things should not be said. but i do not like politics very much, the rules of politeness make far more sense to me than the rules of politics...
que Dios te bendiga
I agree that there should be some limits on free speech when it comes to racism, verbal assault etc. I don't think it should be got rid of completely, otherwise leaders would just misuse their newfound power to stop anybody critising them.
I don't think laws of politeness would really work, people should try to proliferate and spread politeness instead. What is the point of being nice if you do not intend to but are forced to by the law?
No, but it does mean people should try to do something about it. If the girl goes to prison, so do racists. If racists are merely exercising free speech, so is the girl...
i think maybe you are not taking into consideration the cultural differences... while in our culture insults against a persons' religious deities or parents can be shrugged off as an attempt to provoke us, while a death threat is a crime and something to be taken seriously, for their culture they would much sooner have their persons' threatened than for somebody to commit (in their traditions) the crime of blasphemy.
this might sound fascist but i do not think there should be a freedom of speech.... people speak carelessly and insultingly toward each other and it only promotes hostility, some things should not be said. but i do not like politics very much, the rules of politeness make far more sense to me than the rules of politics...
que Dios te bendiga
If you don't think there should be freedom of speech, why are voicing an opinion?
Or are you one of those that think we should only have the freedom to speak in support of what you think?
As far as taking in "cultural differences", I agree.
If some can't cope with the cultural differences, they should leave. :enough!:
No, but it does mean people should try to do something about it. If the girl goes to prison, so do racists. If racists are merely exercising free speech, so is the girl...
Got to go with you on that one.
I think anyone that wants to harm someone based on race, should go to prison.
If you don't think there should be freedom of speech, why are voicing an opinion?
Or are you one of those that think we should only have the freedom to speak in support of what you think?
As far as taking in "cultural differences", I agree.
If some can't cope with the cultural differences, they should leave. :enough!:
lol well... because i have an opinion and thought i would share it...
i do not think people should be allowed to say blasphemous things, especially against Christianity, or say racist or hateful things. if you forbid these things it's not really 'freedom of speech' anymore. i think people should have a degree of freedom in speech... but not the right to say whatever they want whenever they want to.
lol well... because i have an opinion and thought i would share it...
i do not think people should be allowed to say blasphemous things, especially against Christianity, or say racist or hateful things. if you forbid these things it's not really 'freedom of speech' anymore. i think people should have a degree of freedom in speech... but not the right to say whatever they want whenever they want to.
Well I'm glad you shared your openion. That is one of the great things that come with freedom of speach.
But if 5 guys get together, claim Bush is there Prophet, you think it should become illegal to say negative anything about Bush?
Not what I think is a good idea.
especially against Christianity Why? Because they held the Inquision?
I agree that there should be some limits on free speech when it comes to racism, verbal assault etc. I don't think it should be got rid of completely, otherwise leaders would just misuse their newfound power to stop anybody critising them.
I don't think laws of politeness would really work, people should try to proliferate and spread politeness instead. What is the point of being nice if you do not intend to but are forced to by the law?
hola
i think there are lots of things other than racism and verbal assault... blasphemy, slander, promoting violence like this 'poet' has done and things like this should all be banned. but then it would not be freedom of speech... which is okay for me.
lol i didn't mean that there should be politeness laws, just that i hate politics, i think more in terms of what politeness and etiquette dictate rather than what politics require. i don't like the pessimism and underhandedness of politics... i'm not advocating anything, just talking about what interests me
Well I'm glad you shared your openion. That is one of the great things that come with freedom of speach.
But if 5 guys get together, claim Bush is there Prophet, you think it should become illegal to say negative anything about Bush?
Not what I think is a good idea.
slippery slopes work both ways... if the chairman of the fed decided to do a little ad libing just for fun during his next press conference and prophesy a 'hopeless future' and recommend everybody prepare for financial ruin do you think nothing should be done to prevent him from saying this?
slippery slopes work both ways... if the chairman of the fed decided to do a little ad libing just for fun during his next press conference and prophesy a 'hopeless future' and recommend everybody prepare for financial ruin do you think nothing should be done to prevent him from saying this?
i do not think that is a good idea...
The future is hopeless. So I think the honesty would be good.
Six men in a five man life boat. What is the “Right Thing”?
No matter what you pick, it is your personal opinion of what is the "Right Thing” and there will be many that will disagree with you.
That's a major problem. You can't define things in undefined terms.
you are agnostic... so perhaps for you the world is a big ocean and you do not hold a compass, i do not know...
but i believe in catholicism so the right thing is quite defined for me... disagreement from other people is natural but doesn't really make a difference for me
An european guy calling himself a Crusader, would make a poems calling to violence against muslims, poems about beheadings muslims and starting a crusade against muslims.
Would it be ok for you?
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
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