Hindu extremists burned down the house of a prominent Christian politician in eastern India Thursday, officials said, as violence by gangs from both sides continued despite a curfew imposed after two days of attacks against Christians by Hindu hard-liners.A mob of Hindus torched the house of Radhakant Nayak, a member of the Indian parliament's upper house and a Christian leader in the area, Nayak told the CNN-IBN news channel.
In apparent retaliation for earlier attacks on churches, a group of Christians burned down several Hindu homes in the village of Brahmangaon. Angry Hindus then burned down the village police station, complaining of a lack of protection, a local police official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.
Bahugrahi Mahapatra, a senior government official in the area confirmed there had been "disturbances" in the village, but could not provide details because he had not reached the scene.
India is overwhelmingly Hindu but officially secular. Religious minorities, such as Christians, who account for 2.5 percent of the country's 1.1. billion people, and Muslims, who make up 14 percent, often coexist peacefully. Some have risen to the highest levels of government and business.
But throughout India's history, both communities have faced repeated attacks from hard-line Hindus, with violence against Christians often directed at foreign missionaries and converts from Hinduism.
Earlier, police had said they had deployed hundreds of armed officers to the area, restoring calm after hard-line Hindus marred Christmas celebrations, ransacking and burning eight village churches in Orissa state, a corner of the country with a history of violence against Christians. One person was killed in that violence.
However, Nayak said there was no evidence that forces were on the ground.
"The state government has been saying they have sent forces, but on the ground we are hearing there is no force. The situation is still tense," he told the TV channel.
Six village churches — most nothing more than mud-and-thatch houses — were torched on Christmas Day, and two more were attacked Wednesday along with 10 houses belonging to Christians, said Mahapatra.
There were conflicting reports of what sparked the attacks on the churches in the rural district of Kandhamal, about 840 miles southeast of New Delhi. Each side blamed the other.
The Hindu hard-liners said Christians had attempted to attack one of their leaders, 80-year-old Laxmanananda Saraswati of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad group, who leads an anti-conversion movement.
But the New Delhi-based Catholic Bishops Conference of India said the fighting began Monday when Hindu extremists objected to a show marking Christmas Eve, believing it was designed to encourage Hindus at the bottom of the religion's rigid caste hierarchy to convert to Christianity.
Orissa has one of the worst histories of anti-Christian violence. An Australian missionary and his two sons, aged 8 and 10, were burned to death in their car in Orissa following a Bible study class in 1999.
Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.
i don't know if they're RSS or not.
many hindus are angry and concerned (legitimately, in my opinion) at the christian missionaries who come in and give people tv's and stuff .... they literally buy converts. with some, it is more than a religious issue. they feel that people are being turned against their own culture by adopting a foreign religion.
i think some states may have either already passed laws prohibiting conversions. in india, lower castes or outcasts frequently try to escape the caste system by adopting other relgions, including budhism and islam.
i think hindutva is largely a brahmin movement and wants to preserve the caste system - not have outcastes simply leave.
christianity has been in india, esp in the south for a long, long time.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
i don't know if they're RSS or not.
many hindus are angry and concerned (legitimately, in my opinion) at the christian missionaries who come in and give people tv's and stuff .... they literally buy converts. with some, it is more than a religious issue. they feel that people are being turned against their own culture by adopting a foreign religion.
i think some states may have either already passed laws prohibiting conversions. in india, lower castes or outcasts frequently try to escape the caste system by adopting other relgions, including budhism and islam.
i think hindutva is largely a brahmin movement and wants to preserve the caste system - not have outcastes simply leave.
christianity has been in india, esp in the south for a long, long time.
dont forget christians in north east india have been killing hindus for 13 years now to create a seperate christian state......
i don't know if they're RSS or not.
many hindus are angry and concerned (legitimately, in my opinion) at the christian missionaries who come in and give people tv's and stuff .... they literally buy converts. with some, it is more than a religious issue. they feel that people are being turned against their own culture by adopting a foreign religion.
i think some states may have either already passed laws prohibiting conversions. in india, lower castes or outcasts frequently try to escape the caste system by adopting other relgions, including budhism and islam.
i think hindutva is largely a brahmin movement and wants to preserve the caste system - not have outcastes simply leave.
christianity has been in india, esp in the south for a long, long time.
hindus are angry and concerned (legitimately, in my opinion) at the christian missionaries who come in and give people tv's and stuff .... they literally buy converts.
I am shocked, so it is preferable to have an oppressed illiterate and untouchable hindu to an educated, fed and clothed Christian?
VHP - Vishva Hindu Parishad ... its a hindu org... members from this group attacked the churches...
But i dono the reason..y ....at first..the christians attacked the hindu leader...?
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Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.
whats so funny about saying a fact that christian terrorists in north east india have been killing hindus for 13 years now to create a seperate christian state?
whats so funny about saying a fact that christian terrorists in north east india have been killing hindus for 13 years now to create a seperate christian state?
whats so funny about saying a fact that christian terrorists in north east india have been killing hindus for 13 years now to create a seperate christian state?
There is nothing funny about it at all. Christians should stop proselytising. Period. Any religion that is worth following will gain sincere devotees by merely setting an example.
Here is my summary of the history of Christian tyranny in North East India.
The article below is a summary You can read the complete article at:
Christian Conversions and Terrorism in North-East India
Posted March 10, 2006
Reproduced courtesy, �Akhil Bharatiya Vanavasi Kalyan Ashram, 50 Golden Years�, A Shree Multimedia Vision Ltd. Presentation.
North-East India is a term that usually refers to the seven states of Assam, Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, Meghalaya, Mizoram and Arunachal Pradesh. Sikkim and the Darjeeling district of West Bengal belong to it geographically but are not normally included though often associated with the North East India Christian Council. An intense movement of conversion towards Christianity has taken place over the years; indeed, in several of these states, entire populations have been converted. The percentage of the Christian population in these states in 1991 is as follows:
It is true that Christian missionaries have brought education and civic amenities into this region. However, as in many parts of the world, Christianity has wiped out a whole way of life, erasing centuries of tradition, customs and wisdom. It has caused people to hold their own religion in contempt and look westwards to an alien culture. It has disrupted society by pitting the Christian converts against mainstream Hindu India.
This creation of a class-conflict has insulated the tribals from Indian society, and made them a tool in the hands of Christian missionaries. Missionaries in India have often been a divisive force, which used the tribals for advocating a breaking-up of the country.
Today, as in the past, Christian terrorists feel emboldened to use the gun to force Jesus down the throats of unwilling tribals. For example, in 1857, the Christian Missionaries of Chhota Nagpur offered to the British 10,000 armed converted Kols, in addition, Dr. Mason offered a battalion of converted Karens to put down the 1857 Indian War of Independence. The fear of segregating Indian Christians and training and using them for the purposes of political or religious blackmail on behalf of foreign interests in moments of crisis is not without foundation.
Some of the methods used by the missionaries to convert and thus alienate innocent tribals and their impact are as follows:
1) British Connivance:
After the British administration entered North East India, Catholic and Baptist missionaries were encouraged to come and proselytize, and were given protection under the British Raj. According to an early evangelist Kemolhu, there was forceful opposition to Christianity in those early days and the evangelists had no place to lodge in nor did they have a place to preach the gospel. The village headman (Gaon Budha) appointed by the British government gave them shelter since they belonged to the government and no one could object to their stay.|( In and around 1822, David Scott Esq., )
Christian missionaries virtually held a license during British Raj to trade in human souls and to proselytize by force, fraud, inducement and deceit.
The Commissioner of Koch Behar first conceived the idea of Christianizing the Garo tribe of Assam. He wrote to Bayley, Secretary to the Government,: “I am satisfied that nothing permanently good can be obtained by other means (than sending a missionary) and that, if we do not interfere on behalf of the poor Garo, they will soon become Hindu or half-Hindu.” Secretary Bayley sent a most encouraging letter in reply closing with the words: “I do not think the favourable opportunity for making this interesting experiment should be lost .”
2) Theological Deceit:
Missionaries have spread the belief that the tribals of North East India had no religion. In fact, for most people of this region, belief in Supreme Being is a distinctive feature. He is the Creator and Sustainer of humans and the whole universe and is believed to be loving and benevolent (as against the jealous Christian God). They also believe in many secondary deities. The tribals also believe in the existence of malevolent spirits. They believe in the immortality of the soul and life after death. All religious rites are performed by functionaries like the Lyngdoh (Khasis), Putir (Ao), Puitham (Mizo), Kamal nokma (Garo) and so on. Pioneer Christian missionaries like JH Lorrain adopted the term �Pathian� used by the Mizos for their supreme Spirit to indicate the Christian God. Jesus was presented as �Christus Victor� or Jesus Christ the Conqueror (of all evil spirits).The belief of the Ao Naga people in life after death was linked to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. To this day, missionaries use theological deceit for conversion. They have been guilty of substituting the names of Ram and Krishna in the popular baar-geets of legendary Assamese Saint Sanardeva with the name of Jesus. When the local Vaishnava Sabha reacted angrily, they had to eat crow and withdraw the offending stanzas.
3) Deceit By Other Means:
Economic conversions are carried out by placing “miracle boxes” in local churches. The gullible villager writes out a request for a loan, a pucca house, or perhaps, fees for the son‘s schooling. A few weeks later, the miracle happens. And the whole family converts, making others in the village follow suit. Another example, small children have been invited for a day’s outing. The missionaries remove the spark plugs from the bus, so that it can not start. They are told to pray to their local deities to ask them for help. Nothing happens. After a short time, the children are asked to pray to Jesus for help. The missionaries surreptitiously reinstall the spark plugs, and “miraculously” their prayers to Jesus have been answered.
4) Education:
The introduction of Western education was the main missionary approach to convert the Naga into Christianity. After independence, the Roman Catholics also gained entry into Nagaland hitherto denied by the Protestant British. The key to their success was their educational policy. Father Thomas Menamparambil writes: The boarding houses in Shillong, Gauhati and Dibrugarh have played an important role in the evangelization of the region. They formed lay leaders and well-instructed religious teachers. Every year, a good number from among the senior students were baptized. It was precisely these youngsters that helped plant the church in the Garo Hills, in Nagaland, Manipur and to some extent in Mizoram. The experience of the Baptists in the Orphan school in Nowgong was to repeat itself again and again in dozens of our institutions to our own day. (This approach of sending children to boarding schools has been condemned by the Government of Canada, and Canadian Aboriginals have been granted compensation for the damage done in these schools.)
5) Imposition of Roman Script:
The first thing that missionaries did when beginning work among a new tribe was to reduce its language to writing. This the missionaries did to enable people to read the Bible. At first, for the Khasi and Garo languages, the Bengali / Assamese script was used but was later given up in favor of Roman. From 1970, the Church openly championed the use of the Roman script for the language of the tribals of Tripura and Boros of Assam.,,,. The imposition of the Roman script has on occasion been at gunpoint.
On August 21, 2000, terrorists of the Church backed National Democratic Front of Bodoland gunned down Shri Bineshwar Brahma, president of the Bodo Sahitya Sabha. His only crime was that he favored the use of Devanagari script for the Bodo language. It is significant that English is an official language in Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland and Tripura.
6) Self Alienation:
The tribals after conversion to Christianity were urged to abstain from their indigenous festivals because now these festivals and rituals are seen as evil. Hence we see the Christian Khasis of Meghalaya do not take part in the Sad Suk Mynstem festival or the Nongkrem festival. Those converted to Christianity in Arunachal Pradesh have distanced themselves or are made to do so, from festivals like the Solung or Mopin. The Christian Garos remain cut off from the Wangla festival dance. This phenomenon continues throughout the tribal populations. They remain aloof from their traditional dances, chose western names for their children, start wearing western clothes, sing western music and so on. This then causes major rifts within the community, and a breakdown of traditional values. (It is part of the colonial “Divide and Conquer” doctrine which worked so well to “keep the natives in their place” and make them incapable of ruling themselves in post colonial times.)
7) Circumventing Laws:
Missionary activities were very marginal, or almost nil, until 1962 in Arunachal Pradesh. However, these anti-national and divisive forces, in different names and forms, have been working through various agencies in Assam-Arunachal Pradesh border. Gradually and stealthily, they gained entry into Arunachal Pradesh with the help of the few local Arunachali students who had studied in Christian Missionary schools in Assam and Meghalaya and got converted there. By 1970, almost 8% of the people along the Assam -Arunachal border had got converted to Christianity. However, they could not very actively engage in proselytizing in Arunachal in a big way due to the Innerline Permit Restrictions on entry for non-Arunachalis imposed by the government. But a sizeable number of simple people of Arunachal had been lured away into Christian fold, in many causes, through material temptations including offer of money, and by threats. The Church has also engaged a number of local people as paid agents to carry on pro-Christian propaganda through various means, fair and foul.
8) Harassment and Ostracism:
Many reports have come of how Church congregations use harassment, ostracism and other forms of force to increase their flock. Non-converted portions of a family land into disputes with neo-Christian portions over funeral customs, ownership of land and other matters and this result in clashes between groups which newspapers promptly label as anti-Christian acts, whereas these are often clashes between converted and non-converted tribals.
9) Extortion:
The National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), a terrorist organization has two main factions. Both the factions are headed by Christians and get financial support from World Council of Churches, a missionary organization. China provides arms and ammunitions to both the factions. The NSCN has its offices in New York, Geneva and Hague which display boards with legend Peoples Republic of Nagaland. It has twice raised its demand for an independent nation in the United Nations. The NSCN has its own government which collects money from the local people. One third of the salaries of the government servants is taken away as Nagaland Tax before disbursement. Most of the banks in Nagaland have closed down because of the huge sums extracted by this outfit. The letterheads and stamps of this unofficial government read Nagaland for Christ.
Most of the terrorist organizations in the entire region follow this pattern. The Church in the North-East is also known to be associated with smuggling across the borders and circulation of fake currency notes. In December 1998, Bedang Tamjen, a JemiNaga missionary was arrested for making fake currency notes.
10) Conversion at Gun Point:
The Baptist Church in Tripura was set up by missionaries from New Zealand 60 years ago .It won only a few thousand converts until 1980 when a mass scale ethnic riot was engineered by the Church in which systematic ethnic cleansing of Hindu and Buddhist tribals was initiated. Thousands of women were raped and kidnapped and forced to convert to Christianity.
The terrorists receive military aid from extremist Christian groups in Australia and New Zealand. They also have ongoing exchanges with Islamic terrorist and ISI who push in arms from the Bangladeshi border.
In Tripura, the tribals constitute 30 percent of the State population, and 10 percent of this group had been converted to Christianity by 1991. These Christianized tribals are trying to convert the Hindu tribals forcibly to Christianity often getting the help of the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), a Christian terror group founded in December 1989. About 90 percent of the top ranking NLFT cadres are Christians. NLFT has further links with the Inter Services Intelligences Agency (ISI), Pakistan�s external intelligence agency and its counter part in Bangladesh, the Directorate General of Field Intelligence (DGFI).
During 1997-98, NLFT leaders are reported to have visited Pakistan to receive training and arms from the ISI. The ISI had allegedly arranged the passport and visas for the NLFT leaders. According to Tripura Police, the NLFT has also linkages with the Nagaland-based National Socialist Council of Nagaland- Isak�Muivah (NSCN-IM), the Manipur based Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL) and the National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB), which is active in Assam. Since its inception the NLFT has been engaged in an armed struggle to carve out a separate Christian nation Tripura. The forcible conversions are accompanied by murders of Hindu priests in the area, forcible bans on Hindu festivities, abductions and killings.
The backing of the Baptist church right from the beginning has enabled this organization to spread its base. Due to its terrorist activities, the organization was banned by the government in 1997 but it continued its operations from across the Bangladesh border. The priests of the Baptist church supply arms and ammunitions to these terrorist rebels.
Nagmanlal Halam, the secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura was arrested by CRPF in April 2000 on charges of aiding insurgents and possessing a large quantity of explosives including 60 gelatin sticks, 5Kg of potassium, 2Kg of sulfur and other ingredients for making powerful bombs. Two junior members of the same church, who had been arrested earlier, tipped the police off about the explosives which were meant for terrorist organization like the NLFT. Mr. Halam confessed to buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT.
Another church official, Jatna Koloi, who was also arrested, admitted that he received training in guerrilla warfare at an NLFT base (8). It is now apparent that the pattern of forced conversions at gunpoint are irrefutably linked to the Baptist Church in Tripura. The NLFT is accused of forcing Tripura�s indigenous tribes to become Christians and give up Hindu forms of worship in areas under their control.
For decades Tripuras indigenous tribal population has been dragged out of their homes and forced to convert to Christianity under threat of violence. Whenever any of the tribals organize Hindu festivals or rituals, the terrorist groups attack to desecrate and kill the participants. There have been incidents of issuing a ban on the Hindu festivals of Durga Pooja and Saraswati Pooja. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura. The hill tribe Jamatiya worship in the month of March their traditional god Gadiya, who is supposed to be an incarnation of Lord Shiva. The terrorists have issued an order that the Gadiya be prayed on the Christmas day instead.
Hundreds of the RSS volunteers were attacked, threatened and blackmailed. Several of them were murdered and a number of them were kidnapped and held hostage by the Christian terrorists.
In August 2000, Swami Shantikali Maharaj, the famous Hindu sage known for his social services was killed by the terrorists. In December 2000, Lavkumar Jamatiya, the priest of the Jamatiya tribe was killed, two Hindu temples and one Buddhist temple were destroyed and order was issued to end all non Christian methods of praying.
In the year 2001, there were 826 terrorist attacks in Tripura in which 405 persons were killed and 481 cases of kidnapping by the rebels. The case of Jamatiya tribals provides a telling example. These tribals have strong spiritual leaders and a network of social service organizations headed by their religious leaders. These indigenous sects are neither exclusive nor expansionist. The Baptist Church has always failed miserably in its conversion efforts with regard to this well-knit community.
Hence, it is no wonder that the NLFT has made Jamatiya institutions and their religious leaders the targets of their attacks. In the August of 2000, religious leaders of the Jamatiya community like Jaulushmoni Jamatiya and Shanit Kumar Tripura were killed by the NLFT, and Jamatiya families were uprooted from their homelands and made refugees. The death threats issued by the NLFT to the inmates of these institutions have already forced the closure of 11 Jamatiya institutions like schools and orphanages, set up by the slain religious leaders in various parts of Tripura.
Shorn of its mask of love and compassion, the true color of Christianity is evident in all its nakedness in the North East. Fortunately, the tribals are realizing that their Christianization has led to loss of identity and self-alienation. They are slowly reviving their ancient traditions and customs. Our tribal brethren need our active support to overthrow the yoke of Christianity. Are we going to respond to their call?
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I dont think they want to create a christian state... because Christians dont support a theocratic type country.
Maybe they want independent Tripura country... thus it's more to nationalistic rather than religious..
well maybe the western christians you have talked to have said that, but indian christians, and south asian christians are very different than western ones, and yes even african christians are very different than western ones. western christians are pretty much racist, they think their the face and image of christianity, for instance when third world christians commit so much crime and terrorism they brush it off................
these christians in north east are forcing ppl to convert, aboloshing hindu practices, etc etc, thats not national, thats religous. also movements can combine both religion and nationalism together, hence this is both, they want their own tripura state seperate from india, but they also want it to be christian, with christian ways, and no other none christian ways, hence the forced conversions, killing of hindus, banning hindu festivities etc etc.
well maybe the western christians you have talked to have said that, but indian christians, and south asian christians are very different than western ones, and yes even african christians are very different than western ones. western christians are pretty much racist, they think their the face and image of christianity, for instance when third world christians commit so much crime and terrorism they brush it off................
these christians in north east are forcing ppl to convert, aboloshing hindu practices, etc etc, thats not national, thats religous. also movements can combine both religion and nationalism together, hence this is both, they want their own tripura state seperate from india, but they also want it to be christian, with christian ways, and no other none christian ways, hence the forced conversions, killing of hindus, banning hindu festivities etc etc.
I agree with you, Prince, most devout Christians would like to live in a Christian State. Look at Italy, most South American countries, even here in Canada, where I live, it is supposed to be secular, but we many Christians would say that we live in Christian country.
I agree with you, Prince, most devout Christians would like to live in a Christian State. Look at Italy, most South American countries, even here in Canada, where I live, it is supposed to be secular, but we many Christians would say that we live in Christian country.
It is difference between a country with christian fundaments and culture (like Canada or Italy i believe) and a theocratic christian country like they were some in middle ages. Besides, I dont believe that all christian organizations in India really convert for money. Ok maybe some, but Im sure not all. Of course I am against violence, but I must say that hindus have right to defend their countrie's identity and culture against foreign influences (be it islam or christianity). But they should do it with education and propaganda not with violence.
Last edited by Amadeus85; 12-28-2007 at 02:14 PM.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
I am shocked, so it is preferable to have an oppressed illiterate and untouchable hindu to an educated, fed and clothed Christian?
no, of course not. but i find their anger at missionaries buying converts quite understandable, nonethelesss. as i said, it is more than religion - people feel that the christians are turning people away from their own culture. i can understand why people resent foreign missionaries and their $. the modern american missionaries are sort of a new breed, armed with limitless amounts of money to buy souls. i can also see passing laws outlawing proselytizing - but most definitely not outlawing conversion.
but i think the real reasons often have to do more with not wanting to allow the lower caste and outcastes to escape hinduism.
the question you have raised in a very difficult one. i think if my children were hungry, i would probably welcome anybody who would give them food.
thank god, i have never been in that position. many are less fortunate.
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[QUOTE I must say that hindus have right to defend their countrie's identity and culture against foreign influences (be it islam or christianity). But they should do it with education and propaganda not with violence.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100%. I posted that lengthy article to explain why Hindus might be a little upset. But violence is not the answer, on many different levels.
but i think the real reasons often have to do more with not wanting to allow the lower caste and outcastes to escape hinduism.
Christian missionaries have been bent on destroying indigeneous cultures for centuries. Their proselytising and making people feel ashamed of their own "backward" cultures are very effective psychological and spiritual tools to divide and conquer. Destroying family and community relationships has resulted in the sad state of affairs our own indigenous people find themselves in right here in North America. What they are doing is taking advantage of impoverished people to satisfy their own long term goals.
Missionaries are wolves in sheep's clothing. Their so-called humanitarian work comes at a very high price.
Unfortunately, it is also the naive andnwell meaning ordinary missionaries on the ground that are also being duped.
Let everyone believe as they choose, as long as they do not try to convert others by using undue influence, trickery, bribes or other nefarious means, that is their right. Those who wish to convert should be able to do so with an informed mind, not under pressure, or duress.
Let everyone believe as they choose, as long as they do not try to convert others by using undue influence, trickery, bribes or other nefarious means, that is their right. Those who wish to convert should be able to do so with an informed mind, not under pressure, or duress.
Well said, Sarada.
I strongly agree.
I am ashamed to think that such methods are employed by some missionaries ...
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I have mixed feelings towards missionaries. On the one hand, from a believer's perspective, they act out of compassion. They see souls destined for hellfire and seek to save them. That's giving of them. Makes me kind of wonder about the other religious people who seem quite ok with us heathens burning forever in hellfire.
On the other hand, and from a secular perspective, they are arrogant, exploitive and try to brainwash the unfornate and desperate. They are the lowest of the low.
Standard brainwashing technique is to break your victim down into feeling desperate and dehumanized and then to lift them back up in conjunction with your message. This is almost exactly how missionaries behave.
So I have difficulty judging them. They are at the same time noble and dastardly.
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