I... HATE HIM!
Grrrrr... if only i had a time machine *thinking*:eek:
:rose:
what do you think of this guy people?Cultural reform
Introduction of the Latin alphabet for Turkish
Mustafa Kemal regarded the fez (which Sultan Mahmud II had originally introduced to the Ottoman Empire's dress code in 1826) as a symbol of feudalism and banned it, encouraging Turkish men to wear European attire. The hijab (veil) for women, while never formally banned, was strongly discouraged; and women were encouraged to wear western apparel and enter the country's workforce. From 1926, the Islamic calendar was replaced with the Gregorian calendar. In 1928 the government decreed that the Arabic script be replaced by a modified Latin alphabet, and citizens between the ages of six and forty were required to attend school and learn the new alphabet. The conservative clergy fiercely opposed these reforms, trying in vain to maintain its traditionally strong influence. As a result of the reforms literacy increased dramatically. The reforms also included extensive removal of Arabic and Persian words from the Turkish language.
Mustafa Kemal opened new schools, where, as part of the curriculum, fine arts were taught to boys as well as girls. Girls had traditionally been excluded entirely from education, but a universal system of education was introduced for children of both sexes. He also lifted the Islamic ban on alcoholic beverages: Mustafa Kemal had an appreciation for the national liquor, rakı, and consumed vast quantities of it. In 1934 he promulgated a law requiring all Turks to adopt surnames. The Grand National Assembly gave him the deferential name Atatürk, meaning "ancestor Turk," and assumption of that name by other men is still forbidden by law.
Seeking to limit the influence of Islam on Turkish political and cultural institutions, which he regarded as one of the principal causes impeding Turkish development, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk abolished the 1300-year-old Islamic caliphate on 3 March 1924 and established a western-style separation of church and state ("mosque" and state) in Turkey. While promoting a secular Turkish state, Atatürk maintained the traditional Ottoman tolerance of religious diversity and freedoms, but viewed these freedoms in the western Enlightenment sense of freedom of conscience.
Atatürk praying at the opening of the TBMM
Atatürk himself was Muslim. In the book Kemalizm, Laiklik ve Demokrasi (Kemalism, Laicism and Democracy), Ahmet Taner Kışlalı quotes from a speech of Atatürk that may reveal some of the reasoning behind his support of the separation of Religion and state:
"Religion is an important institution. A nation without religion cannot survive. Yet it is also very important to note that religion is a link between Allah and the individual believer. The brokerage of the pious cannot be permitted. Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to [Islam]. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion" (31).
Such thoughts would seem to buttress the statement of Atatürk's biographer, Patrick Kinross, concerning how Atatürk—who prized science and rationalism as the basis of morality and philosophy—considered himself a rational believer of Islam in that Islam could complement science and rational thinking. The quote also shows how strongly Atatürk was opposed to fanaticism ("the pious"). Another speech quoted by Kışlalı relates Atatürk's thoughts on how Islam came to be in such a degenerate state:
"The foundation of our religion is very strong. The material is strong as well, but the building itself was neglected for hundreds of years. As the plaster dropped down, none thought to replace it and none felt the need to reinforce the building. Quite the contrary: many foreign elements and interpretations, as well as empty beliefs, came along and damaged it still more" (ibid.).
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Women's rights
With abiding faith in the vital importance of women in society, Atatürk launched many reforms to give Turkish women equal rights and opportunities. The new Civil Code, adopted in 1926, abolished polygamy and recognized the equal rights of women in divorce, custody, and inheritance. The entire educational system from the grade school to the university became coeducational. Atatürk greatly admired the support that the national liberation struggle received from women and praised their many contributions: "In Turkish society, women have not lagged behind men in science, scholarship, and culture. Perhaps they have even gone further ahead." He gave women the same opportunities as men, including full political rights. In the mid-1930s, 18 women, among them a villager, were elected to the national parliament. Later, Turkey had the world's first female supreme court justice.
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I... HATE HIM!
Grrrrr... if only i had a time machine *thinking*:eek:
It's not sensible to attack the people, instead attack their actions.
as salam alikum,
your right sista, i'll attack his actions. ARROGANT! IGNORANT! THOUGHTLESS!
i was reading it, thinking this guy isnt muslim. Then it said he was:mad:
its such a shame, turkey has such a beautiful history mashallah. turkey WAS such a beautiful place. subhanallah
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yet people in turkey think he was a hero:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
will still have to answer for his actions on day of judgement in front of allah (swt)
Last edited by Muhammad; 12-02-2005 at 06:51 PM. Reason: We should not say such things, because we may not know enough about the person, and Allaah Alone decides these things.
Kemal Ataruk is thought of as a hero by some people because back then he helped defend Turkey against the Europeans. It was a great victory for the Turks against the non-Muslims.
But then he had to change Islamic laws. What was he thinking...Its kind of ironic with all that's happened (after gaining independence from the British and other nations I believe) that Ataruk encouraged western enlightenment including secularism.
What a monster!
He gave women equal rights! How could he?
He allowed girls into the education system! What a tyrant!
He seperated Church and state! What a novel idea.
I respect the man, he created modern Turkey and is one of the main reasons it has been a success and maintained a strong democratic government.
I really like this quote:
"Religion is an important institution. A nation without religion cannot survive. Yet it is also very important to note that religion is a link between Allah and the individual believer. The brokerage of the pious cannot be permitted. Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to [Islam]. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion"
seemed more like a christian than a muslim
Ottomans weren't really Islamic.They had all those harems.
Last edited by Bittersteel; 11-22-2005 at 06:31 AM.
Assalamu'Alaykum
i would have to go with... i dont respect the man... and now hes with his creator and will be judged for what he has done.
now u tell me, would u still respect such a man? muslim women never needed to be libirated or be given equal rights, islam has given us muslim women lib. long before even american women were allow to vote in the 1920s. furthermore, islam is not to be seprated from the 'state' Islam as we know it is not merely a 'religion' its a way of life and when that seprated muslims through out the lands will no longer be unitied, as we see now.In 1920’s mustafah kammal with the help of the british becomes the "hero" and this so-called hero cancels the authority of the most powerful system suitable for human beings
The khilafah,
-he abandon all the rulings of Allah
-He banded the Athan in Arabic
-he denied Muslim sister from obeying Allah (SWT) by abandoning the Hijab
-All Islamic calendars and holidays were canceled
-he also changes the Arabic alphabet to Latin and by doing so he made sure the next generation will be lost and have no connection to their Islamic roots as they can not read or write all the Islamic culture that was recorded
This Islamic system sent by the Creator of alameen went from the application in life to be in museums for people to go and see in turkey
( please excuse my spelling and grammatical errors its 2. am )
He allowed girls into the education system! What a tyrant!
So u would say the woman have rights now...Noway. Now its the otherway around they make it difficult for muslim woman to participate in the society. The woman cant wear their hijab in universities and goverment buildings etc. I think thats a stupid policy.. and this doesnt sounds like a fair system.
So how can u say that they allow girls into the education system
anyone on this forum from Turkey? Cuz it's pretty much "he's a western puppet" vs "he's moving with the times"
salam alakam
Inshallah on the day of judgement he will recieve the punishment
Same could be said of us all, however lets not be sadistic and pray Allah most forgiving will forgive us all - ameenInshallah on the day of judgement he will recieve the punishment
well its in Allahs hand...but to me it sounds like he was a loony....
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i can't believe what i'm seeing...
you think he liberated women but really, he's liberating their body and imprisoning their mind. women in the west think they're free, but they aren't. Islam liberated women... Islam gave women rights when they treated worse than camels! And you respect this monster because he seperated 'church form state'. Islam is a way of life, not a religion... is he so more knowledgable than Allah lord and creator of the 'Alameen that he creates laws more fit for mankind? AstaghfurAllah! If you support him you support all the munafiqeen in the history of Islam, and u certainly support those who are against Islam.
Selamun Aleykum,
I Am So Much Respectful To Gazi Mustafa Kemal Ataturk As Being Turkish; If Beloved Ataturk Did Not Exist, Turkey Was Not Today. I See Some People Tend To Insult Him; Maybe If You Don't Like Him, But You Couldn't Any Insult Him; Some People Had Written As Monster, He Was Not Muslim And So On. Actually You Are Real Monster. He Made Lots Of Things For Us.and He Is Important For Us. You Can't Understand This. Who Can They Say? How Did He Give A Women Equal Rights. In Islam Religion Women And Men Are Equal Front Of Allah.may Allah Accept Him Paradise.how Do You Accuse Him That He Is Not Muslim. Allah Know Only This; You Can't Know This. Think Someone Is Guilthy Than You Is The Real Evil.i Am Educated In Mixid School. And I Am Practical Muslim. And Also I Am Tyring To Be More Well Muslim. I Love Him So Much And So You Can Also Accuse Me That I Am Not Muslim. Because It Is Easy To Say For You. Yeah Just You Are Real Muslim. Well Continue To Think Like This. And Also He Did'nt Forbid Athan In Arabic. In Turkey Athan Is Reading In Arabic. If You Don't Know Anything About This. Before Writing; Search Well.yes He Changed Our Alphabet And Arabic And Farsi Words Was Removed.it Is Normal. Because We Are Not Arap Or Farsi.we Are Turkish. In Your Country Are People Speaking Another Language Instead Of Your Mother Language?.
With Regards
Sena
well Turkey now banned the hijab......they are now forcing women to stop wearing the hijab,which is a violation of human rights,like it ..or not.
The hijab was banned in university's, not in the general public, iirc.format_quote Originally Posted by Abrar
still it shows intolerance.
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