Today we all see Muslims doing unIslamic things and calling it Islamic.Non-Muslims believe that and continue to hold misconceptions and they believe Muslim countries need to be liberated from the prressive Islamic law.They think we need to invaded so our dear precious sweet burkha cladf oppressed Muslim women and girls can be liberated .In Bangladesh all Muslims are speaking the word Islamic law with a fear.They al hate the Shariah.They think what the taliban did was Islamic.The western media also did an excellent job.Muslims are apostating.
MY questions:
Is no one doing anything to clear these misconceptions?we have heard of this sheikh that sheikh but what do these sheikhs actually do?where are the true Muslims?where the hell, are they?Why don't they go to Islamic countries and reform them?
Having refuted so many antiIslamists so many times I am near the breaking point.I myself may become an apostate.I am losing it.
How many here lives in an Islamic country?
I heard from my uncles who live in Saudi Arabia that Jews are allowed to live in Mecca and Medina and there are ----- houses too.
What have the Arabs ,the ***** rulers of the Muslims lands done to refute the antiIslamists.Upto this day I have never seen an Arab man or woman to speak out against antiIslamists and secular humanists.
Muslim leaders are corrupt yes but we should be doing something.
KSA or Jordan or Oman might turn into a secualr country anytime and we will be sitting in western countries and doing nothing.
My suggestion:The Saudis should move over and let Arabia to be governed by true good Islamic Muslims.
anyone besides me saw the Eye on Middle East programs on CNN?You should be watching such stuff and realize what is actually going on.
Saudis have treated our Bangladeshi men and women very badly and also have stopped Hajj pilgrims from entering KSA.
I know what you are going to say:The Sauds are corrupt.So no Muslim scholar or one of your dear sheikhs have done nothing to change the current situation?
BTW,I faced those antiIslamists on an Islamic site.
Last edited by Far7an; 12-29-2005 at 04:02 PM.
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and gotta love how these people try to bring it shariah law in bangladesh .. by blowing themselves up and killing people ... that so convinced people. :eek: :rant:
and if you don't belive in seperation of religion and state, all the muslims living in the west would have a way harder time living there.
I agree with you, the problem is that so called muslim countires these days care about Nationalism and trade with countries then islamic law, until we educate people about deen then there is no way forward,
Good point abrar.
However, the problem lies within the ummah itself. There is so much corruption in it (don't pretend there isn't) as everyone is doing something wrong. heck, do you know how many sects there are? You got the coconuts, the one monthers, the jummah's and the list goes on. It's funny and sad at the same time. Funny that they all have some silly name but sad that they don't want to change and are NOT helping.
I wouldnt say that no one cares about shariah law any longer, i would say that many do not. Sad thing is, us guys (the younger generation) are getting the worst out of it and are pressured to "revive the ummah" - yeah, 'cus that's so easy isn't it.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Maybe people don't like being told what to do, you gotta brainwash them through mass media, mass media is the sheperd, control the sheperd and the sheep will go anywhere.
Ps; Using Saudi Arabia as an example of an Islamic state is like using Captain Kirk as example of how great star wars is.
You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake
You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else
We are all part of the same compost heap
We are the all singing, all dancing, **** of the world
Using Saudi Arabia as an example of an Islamic state is like using Captain Kirk as example of how great star wars is.
yes I know it damn well but these non-Muslims don't realise it and they got the big guns and money and they have the power to influence where we true good Muslims don't have.see my point.
so we got no one who lives in an Islamic state and yet we love the Sharia as hell?really nice,great simply great.......
okay here is my list:
Kingdom of Jordan
Egypt
Iran(Shia)
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
UAE
Bahrain
Yemen
Oman
The problem is Culture, It's a common fact that some muslims descrimanate towards diffrent cultures. For example a non-saudi wants to do hijra to medina or makkah will he be given citizenship nope even though we share the same religion.
well one of the signs of the last days are lies seen as the truth and the truth is seen as lies in other words whats good becomes bad and whats bad becomes good
“If you punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, indeed it is better for the patient. Endure you patiently. Your patience is not except through the help of Allah." (al-Nahl 16:126-127)
Is no one doing anything to clear these misconceptions?
There are millions of Muslims all around the world who are working on Da'wah projects trying to remove misconceptions. This website itself is just one example. The question is what are you doing? Besides attacking and criticizing Muslims who are already doing hard work, why don't you learn your religion properly and start working to remove misconceptions yourself?
Muslims have worked to remove misconceptions and they have been extremely succesful. This is very clear in the fact that no matter what allegation a non-muslim brings me against Islam, I can always refer them to a refutation of it that already exists. Every single one of their attacks without exception has been answered.
Why don't they go to Islamic countries and reform them?
And how exactly does someone do that?! Reform comes through education at the grass-roots level, not by snapping one's fingers.
Having refuted so many antiIslamists so many times I am near the breaking point.I myself may become an apostate.I am losing it.
This is illogical. You claim that you can defend your religion so well that you want to leave it?!
How many here lives in an Islamic country?
There is no Islamic country today.
What have the Arabs ,the ***** rulers of the Muslims lands done to refute the antiIslamists.Upto this day I have never seen an Arab man or woman to speak out against antiIslamists and secular humanists.
What are you talking about? We have Muslims using every single form of media to combat the attacks against Islam and they have answered every single one. Go visit sites like http://www.IslamToday.com which is run by Saudi scholars who have refuted all the attacks against Islam and continue to do so by maintaing a question facility where anyone can ask a question and recieve a detailed response.
What are you doing to help the Muslim Ummah?
Muslim leaders are corrupt yes but we should be doing something.
KSA or Jordan or Oman might turn into a secualr country anytime and we will be sitting in western countries and doing nothing.
I advise you to please speak for yourself; the rest of the Muslims are not "doing nothing" as you claim, they are trying to spread the true understanding of Islam.
My suggestion:The Saudis should move over and let Arabia to be governed by true good Islamic Muslims.
For that to happen, Muslims need to develop an organization capable of governing.
I hope this helps.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
I would just like to remind everyone here to keep things cival and debate based, I sense from what I'm reading were on the verge of argumentation which is prohibited even in matters of religion.
Well thats true and yes i do watch or hear what they say on cnn
And i also listen to 20/20 which talks about muslims and the like.
Did you hear on 20/20 about Heaven
What diffren religions think about it???
[MAD]It was crazy!!!![/MAD]
A ''Christian''said that all muslims are going to Hell(Laa wa qala laa wa quwat ida billah)I heard the talk between barbarah walters and the''King of SaudiArabia''
I dont know what he believes!He says he's Muslim but....I dont know...
SaLaMz
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~For My past will for ever be a part of my present and my future!~
I know i look diffrent--im going through something.Make dua for me
Is no one doing anything to clear these misconceptions?we have heard of this sheikh that sheikh but what do these sheikhs actually do?where are the true Muslims?
The sheikhs do their best by educating people through da'wah. It's the people who don't want to get educated.
Having refuted so many antiIslamists so many times I am near the breaking point.I myself may become an apostate.I am losing it.
Don't give up. But if they still don't listen to you, there is no point in arguing.
How many here lives in an Islamic country?
No country follows the shari'ah, so there isn't any islamic country. Saudi Arabia is the closest to following islamic rules and I've lived there.
I heard from my uncles who live in Saudi Arabia that Jews are allowed to live in Mecca and Medina and there are ----- houses too.
I have never heard about those. I'm sure non-Muslims are allowed in other parts of Saudi Arabia. I've never heard about ----- houses being there, I doubt that its true but if it isn't then they certainly aren't common.
My suggestion:The Saudis should move over and let Arabia to be governed by true good Islamic Muslims.
You know that's a bit too idealistic. The Saudis have established a monarchy and for them to just move over would just be impractical.
I know what you are going to say:The Sauds are corrupt.So no Muslim scholar or one of your dear sheikhs have done nothing to change the current situation?
These things take time and its not just upto the sheikhs but upto the people to make a difference. All of us should strive to get an Islamic education and spread the true message.
^Good answer masha'Allah sis. As sheikh al-Albani rahimahullah says "An Islami state starts from the heart of the people". If the people are educated in their deen, then there will be one inshaAllah.
The only Islamic state (i.e. a republic that enforces the Shariah) to exist in modern times was the Taliban. Under the Taliban, a khalifa (head of government) was elected by the people, and the government enforced Shariah strictly: adulterers were stoned, thieves were amputated, apostates beheaded, homosexuals killed, and so on.
The Islamic state will never exist on the Earth. At most, Islam is permitted by the West to be an official religion, but the Islamic state idealised by Hassan Al Banna, Qutb, Wahhab or Maududi will never happen.
The only Islamic state (i.e. a republic that enforces the Shariah) to exist in modern times was the Taliban.
I appreciate your input, but it seems strange to me that pagans know which are true Islamic states and which aren't. The correct answer is that there are no true Islamic states in this time.
Under the Taliban, a khalifa (head of government) was elected by the people
They never established the khilafa; you might want to double check your sources.
and the government enforced Shariah strictly
Shari'ah is far more than penal law, which many non-muslims (and unfortunately some muslims as well) fail to realize.
adulterers were stoned
Four witnesses to the actual act of penetration are need for such a penalty. As such, I am skeptical of the punishment be applied, at least properly. Please see: http://www.islamicboard.com/130001-post19.html
The Islamic state will never exist on the Earth.
It already has existed for over a millenium and it will return again, by the grace of Allah.
Regards
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
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