Is there such a thing as a "Moderate/Modern/Liberal" Muslim?

**KittenLover** · 02-27-2010

Aslaam alaykum, I was just wondering what are your opinions on this? I have met people who call them selves "modern muslims", they go out and drink alcohol, as they believe it is good for you.

They follow the bits of the Qur'an they agree with and the same for the sunnah, they believe in doing something regardless if the qur'an speaks against it because it doesn't harm any body.

So am I allowed to call such a sperson my brother in Islam?

**aadil77** · 05-16-2010

Originally Posted by Jennie

I'm lenient to different kind of muslims (and people on the whole). And I think that what makes you muslim, is you believe there's only one God, Allah, who is good and created world. I'm such a liberal muslim. I admit: for example I don't pray five times at day. But if you are rude for others, drink every weekend and do stupid things as drunken, dress miniskirt and have sex with strangers you don't even have any emotional bond, then you do wrong to Allah, that's not okay.

So you are muslim? just to let you know if you don't believe its compulsary to pray five times you are actually not a muslim. Its the same with people who believe forbidden acts such as drinking, zina, homosexual acts etc are permissable in islam, all these people are considered non muslim.

**Jennie** · 05-16-2010

Originally Posted by aadil77

So you are muslim? just to let you know if you don't believe its compulsary to pray five times you are actually not a muslim. Its the same with people who believe forbidden acts such as drinking, zina, homosexual acts etc are permissable in islam, all these people are considered non muslim.

There's only one word which I can answer... LOL.

**aadil77** · 05-16-2010

Originally Posted by Jennie

There's only one word which I can answer... LOL.

ha well you wont be laughin when u get sent to hell for thinkin being a homo is ok

**Yusuf Saeed** · 05-16-2010

I'm lenient to different kind of muslims (and people on the whole). And I think that what makes you muslim, is you believe there's only one God, Allah, who is good and created world. I'm such a liberal muslim. I admit: for example I don't pray five times at day. But if you are rude for others, drink every weekend and do stupid things as drunken, dress miniskirt and have sex with strangers you don't even have any emotional bond, then you do wrong to Allah, that's not okay.

The Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu aleihi wa sallam) has said: “Verily, between a man and shirk and kufr is the abandonment of the prayer” (Sahih Muslim)

Therefore, the scholars of Islam are in agreement that whoever denies the obligation of the prayer, has committed an act of disbelief and is outside the fold of Islam.

**Woodrow** · 05-16-2010

Hello Jennie,

Sorry I had not welcomed you to the forum earlier.Welcome to LI -learn, teach and share but do not forget to enjoy.

I have read a few of your posts and you do express a sincere desire to learn about Islam and about the nature of we who wear the name Muslim. I just want to point out that as Muslims each of us is responsible for our actions and words. We alone will face the rewards and punishments for what we do during this trial we call life.

To learn about Islam, their is only one way, read, read and read more. Question all things. Seek verification of all answers. Do not accept an answer based on any one person. Search and seek out proof. Believe that which you can find proof or compelling evidence to verify.

**Woodrow** · 05-16-2010

Hello Jennie,

Sorry I had not welcomed you to the forum earlier.Welcome to LI -learn, teach and share but do not forget to enjoy.

I have read a few of your posts and you do express a sincere desire to learn about Islam and about the nature of we who wear the name Muslim. I just want to point out that as Muslims each of us is responsible for our actions and words. We alone will face the rewards and punishments for what we do during this trial we call life.

To learn about Islam, their is only one way, read, read and read more. Question all things. Seek verification of all answers. Do not accept an answer based on any one person. Search and seek out proof. Believe that which you can find proof or compelling evidence to verify.

**Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн** · 05-16-2010

"This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion."

-- Qur'an 5:3

We do not take bits and pieces of the Qur'aan in any shape or form. Give whatever excuse you want but Allah(swt) has made things clear for us. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to analyze themselves and get back to basics. As for homosexuality, Allah(swt) has given examples in the Qur'aan of many nations that were destroyed due to this.

Allah has Perfected our deen for us and needs no "updating." Islaam is for all times and all places and this is the truth inshaAllah. Islaam is applied according to situation, but things in it do not change itself. The Laws themselves do not change.

As for the title....Allah said not to call ourselves anything other than Muslims and not die other than as a Muslim, so these titles have no meaning at all. You can't have these dangerous beliefs and then claim to be Muslim. If you believe in the Prophet(saw) then why do you rejects things RasulAllah sallallahu alayhi wassalam said? If you have full conviction towards Allah and belief in Him, why go on to claim such things?

May Allah save us from these types of thoughts Ameen.