The Night of Bara'ah

format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

Akhi it's also an usool that an act of worship has to be found in the Qur'an and Sunnah for us to practice it. It's not permissible to 'invent' acts of worship or, in the case of 15th of Sha'ban, act upon the ahadeeth that are found to be weak or fabricated.

What's more beneficial for us is to perfect the obligations first and then follow the Sunnah that is confirmed.

Allah knows best.

Akhi

I'm sure the vast number of the fuqaha who approved this night were very well aware of Usool and their application, including the asl that you are mentioning. I'm quite sure they understood a depth much greater than you or me. If such a large number of scholarship from ahl as Sunnah approved the night, including the four schools, then I have no problems in accepting it even if a small group amongst them disagreed. Like I said earlier, just because one opinion declares something as an innovation, it does not make it binding on others so long as there is valid scholarship that holds a dissenting opinion. In this case, there is a vast majority of scholarships that holds a different opinion than the one given in the first post. After all, the correct one gets two rewards, and the incorrect one gets one. That's the end of the matter.

The point here is not what you or I believe, it's learning to be tolerant of diverging opinions when they are valid and understanding that a different opinion may be just as correct as the one you personally believe. That's all. The slogan of 'Qur'an and Sunnah' is all good - but what does that really mean? That we abandon the scholarship that has extrapolated jurisprudence from those very sources? Honestly, I really feel like when people throw around the 'Quran and Sunnah' slogan when it comes to differences of Fiqh..they probably have no idea what exactly 'Quran and Sunnah' means when it comes to jurisprudence. It's as if they're implying that the opinion that is different to theirs was conjured out of thin air or the whims of scholars! Each opinion has grounding in the Qur'an and Sunnah, other wise it wouldn't be an opinion! The opinion that approves the 15th of Sha'ban didn't just come out of no where - the scholars that hold it didn't just invent it out of no where. The least we can do is respect the scholarship and the fact that it is is a legitimate opinion.

I'm sorry but I'm still not convinced with any of the other evidences. The first post pretty much says what I'd be repeating.

That's completely fine. Again the point is to simply be tolerant of other opinions that have traditionally existed among the scholars of the past.

Salaam

We are allowed to offer prayer at each night ; except Eid days ( and I read that fasting only on Fridays is makrooh ) we can do fasting . So , I am confused why this debate takes place each year ?

Some believe it's the night of destiny - that's wrong as it goes against holy Quran. But offering prayer , Quran recitation , giving charity , fasting ....what could be wrong with these ?

These are the good reminders of the coming holy Ramadan. A good practice for fasting . Prophet pbuh used to fast through out the whole year . So , why can't we offer special prayer and fasting on the middle of Shaban ?

Salaam

Its always the 15th of shaban and Mawlid - whenever they happen theres always these types of threads - why dont we just revive the old ones and continue on with the debates every year. Pointless and a waste of time.

peace

Walaykum as Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

Salaam

- why dont we just revive the old ones

yap , good idea

till one reopens ( I can't , search option does not like me much ) the old thread , let me post more here .



...Al-`Uqaylī writes: "As for Allaḥ descending on the night of the middle of Sha'bān, there is weakness (in the narrations), whilst the narrations of (Allāh) descending every night are authentic and the night of the middle of Sha'ban is included in them." (Ad-Du`afā al-Kabir 3/29).


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Part Three

By
Abu `Abd Allāh I. Damiel


Position of Muslim Scholars regarding the excellence of the night of Sha'bān.

(A) Those scholars who believe in the excellence of the night.

1. Imām ash-Shāfi'ī writes: "It has reached us that it used to be said: The supplications are answered on five nights: the night of Friday, The night of al-Aḍḥā, the night of al-Fiṭr, the first night of Rajab and the night of the middle of of Sha'bān…and I prefer everything that has been reported about these nights without it being compulsory." (Al-Umm)

2. Aḥmad ibn al-Hasan ibn Hassan said: It was said to Abū `Abd Allāh (Imām Aḥmad): "Does Allah the Most High descend to the lowest heaven every night? He said: Yes. He was asked: And in Sha'bān as we find it in the narration? He said: Yes" (Abu Ya'la, Ibtāl at-Ta'wīlāt li akhbār as-Sifāt (1/260)

3. Ibn Taymiyyah writes:

"And under this chapter (is) the night of the middle of Sha'bān. Some marfū aḥādīth and āthār regarding its merit have been narrated which shows that it is a chosen night. Moreover, some of pious predecessors (salaf) used to dedicate it with ṣalāh and fasting in the month of Sha'bān, as has been related in authentic narrations.

He continues: "And from the salaf, from the people of Madināh, and those who came later, (they) rejected its merit and criticized the narrations mentioned regarding it…But the opinion of many of the scholars or the majority, from our companions and others, is of the merit of this night. This is indicated in the saying of Aḥmad, since there are many aḥādīth mentioned regarding it. This is (further) confirmed by the statements of the pious predecessors." (Iqtidā as-Sirāt al-Mustaqīm, pg. 137)

He further states in his Fatāwa:

“If a person prays that night alone, or in a select congregation, as many groups of the Early Muslims (salaf) used to do, it is very good." (Majmu' Al-Fatāwā, 23/131)

4. Ibn Rajab states: "It is required for a believer to free himself on that night for remembering Allah, and supplicating to him for forgiveness, (asking Allah) to veil ones sins and remove distress. And to precede that with repentance, for Allāh forgives in it (night of the middle of of Sha'bān) the one who repents" (Latāif al-Ma'ārif, pg 264)

5. Ibn aṣ-Ṣalāḥ remarks:

"As for the night of the middle of Sha'bān it has some merit and to spend it in worship is preferable…." (Taslīh ash-Shaja'ān, pg 80)

(B) Those scholars who reject the excellence of the night.

1. Ibn Rajab writes: "Most of the scholars from Hijāẓ rejected it (the merit of the night of the middle of Sha'bān). From them are `Atā (ibn Rabāh) and Ibn Mulaykah. It is also similarly reported by `Abd ar-Raḥmān b. Zayd b. Aslam from the Jurist of Madinah, and this is the opinion of the companions of Mālik and others. They said: All of that is an innovation" (Latā'if al-Ma'ārif, pg. 263)

2. Al-Ḥāfidh ibn Dahīyah argues:

"The scholars of "Jarḥ wa Ta'dīl" say: There is no authentic narration regarding the night of the middle of Sha'bān…." (Taslīh ash-Shaja'ān, pg. 88)

3. Abū Sha'ma writes in his book "al-Bā'ith `alā inkār al-bida'h wa al-ḥawādith":

"Abū Bakr al-Tartūsī said: it was reported by Ibn Wad'ah from Zayd ibn Aslam who said: We did not meet any of our teachers nor our jurists who paid any attention to the night of the middle of of Sha'bān, nor do they pay attention to the ḥadīth of Makhūl, nor do they believe it has some merit over other nights. He then said: It was said to Ibn Abī Mulaykah that Ziyad an-Namirī says: the reward of the night of the middle of of Sha'bān is like the night of Power. So he replied: If I heard it and there was a stick in my hand I would have hit him…."

4. Imām ash-Shāṭibī comments in his book al-I'tisām whilst discussing different types of Bid'ah (innovations):

"And from it (innovations), is to do a specific worship at a specific time without any specification in the Sharī'ah, like fasting on the middle of Sha'bān and worshipping during its night." (Al-I'tisām, pg 28)

5. Ibn Bāz writes:

"Among the innovations that have been invented by some people is the celebrating of the middle of Sha’bān, and singling out that day for fasting. There is no reliable evidence for that. Some weak aḥādīth have been narrated concerning its virtues, but we cannot regard them as reliable. The reports which have been narrated concerning the virtues of prayer on this occasion are all fabricated, as has been pointed out by many of the scholars. (Hukm Ihtifāl bil-Laylat an-Nisf min Sha'bān)

http://forums.alkauthar.org/showthread.php?t=9068

so now we have two group of scholars and SOK's 1 says it bidaa another says no it aint ! ? which 1 is correct ?

Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by Mr.President

so now we have two group of scholars and SOK's 1 says it bidaa another says no it aint ! ? which 1 is correct ?

better not to debate about it ,specially before holy Ramadan . we are allowed to offer extra salat and recite Quran throughout the whole year . But we must not think that it's a must to do so on middle of Shaban .

And Allah Knows Best.

As we have other threads on this topic, bumping this one too.

And Allah knows best.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah

As for what is authentic regarding the night of the 15th of Sha'baan, [The Prophet, sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam, said,]

"Allaah, the Blessed and Exalted, comes to His Creation on Laylatun-Nisf (the 15th night) of Sha'baan, and He forgives all of His Creation, except for the polytheist and the mushaahin ."

It is an authentic narration narrated by a number of Companions with a number or different chains that strengthen each other, by way of Mu'aath ibn Jabal, Aboo Tha'labah Al-Khushanee, 'Abdullaah ibn 'Amr, Aboo Moosaa Al-Ash'aree, Aboo Hurayrah, Aboo Bakr As-Siddeeq, 'Awf ibn Maalik, and 'Aa'ishah…

…So in summary, the narration is authentic without a doubt, as authenticity could be established for it even if there were not so many routes, so long as they are free of any severe weaknesses, as is the case with this narration.

It might just be a statement (ie. that He (swt) forgives all His creation, except for the polytheist and mushaahim). Like just something which happens, and not something which is to be celebrated/made something of? Otherwise wouldn't there have been 'and you should pray, fast etc.' tagged onto the end?

Anyway... am I correct in thinking:

For: Weak hadiths and the month being holy.
Against: This night was never singled out and nothing specific to be done.

Pretty confusing, but I might fast randomly on Sunday, that way I'm not making tonight special and I'm still within the month

format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless

It might just be a statement (ie. that He (swt) forgives all His creation, except for the polytheist and mushaahim). Like just something which happens, and not something which is to be celebrated/made something of? Otherwise wouldn't there have been 'and you should pray, fast etc.' tagged onto the end?

Anyway... am I correct in thinking:

For: Weak hadiths and the month being holy.
Against: This night was never singled out.

Pretty confusing, but I might fast randomly on Sunday, that way I'm not making tonight special and I'm still within the month

The hadith regarding the night of Bara'ah was narrated on the authority of 8 Sahaba:

1. Abu Bakr siddique
2. Muaaz ibn jabal
3. Abu Tha’labah al Khushani
4. Abdullah ibn Amr
5. Abu Musa al Ash’ari
6. Abu hurayrah
7. Awf ibn Malik
8. Aisha Siddiqah radhiallahu anhum ajmaeen.

The collective strength of these narrations cannot be refuted.

The excellency of this night was also supported by the likes of:

1. Imam Nawawi (Ra) mentioned in his Majmu`, where he also quoted Imam al-Shafi`i from the latters al-Umm that it has reached him that there are 5 nights when dua is answered, one of them being the night of the 15th of Sha`ban.


2. Imaam ibn Hibbaan (RA) has classified this narration as Sahih (authentic) and has included it in his book – al-Saheeh. (see Sahih ibn Hibbaan vol.12 pg.482; Hadith5665).

3. Hafiz al-Haythami (RA) has mentioned that all the narrators of this Hadith are reliable. (Majma-uz-zawaaid vol.8 pg.65)

4. It is also classified as sound by Haafiz al-Mundhiri(RA) in his (Al-Targheeb (vol.3 pg.459)).

5. This narration is of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and is recorded by Imaam Bazzaar (RA) in his Musnad.

6. In fact, Hafiz ibn Hajar (RA) has also classified one of its chains as Hasan (sound). (al-Amaalil mutlaqah pgs.119-120)


Besides the above, there are many other Sahaaba (Radhiallaahu Anhum) that narrated Ahaadith regarding the merit of this night, such as:


7. Abu Hurayra (Musnad al-Bazzaar),

8. Abu Tha’labah (Shu’ubul Imaan),

9. Awf ibn Maalik (Musnad al-Bazzaar),

10. Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (Musnad Ahmad Hadith6642),

11. Abu Moosa al-Ash’ari (ibn Majah Hadith1390; Shu’ubul Imaan Hadith3833) and others.


The general virtue of this night has been accepted by many great Ulama of the past. From among many great scholars which have agreed to the virtue of this night are:


12. Umar ibn Abdul-Aziz,

13. Imaam al-Shaafi’ee,

14. Imaam al-Awdhaa’ie,

15. Attaa ibn Yassaar,

16. Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali

17. Hafidh Zaynu-deen al-Iraaqiy

18. Sheikh Al Albani regarded the hadith regarding the excellency of this night as SAHIH : [Nasir ud din Albani in Silsilat ul-Ahadith-as Sahiha, Volume No. 3, Page No. 135 #1144]


The following quotes which sum up this night very well:


19. Ibn Taymiyyah said:

‘As for the middle night of Sha’baan, there are various narrations that have been narrated regarding its significance and it has been reported from a group of the Salaf (predecessors) that they performed Salaat in it individually, hence, such a deed cannot be disputed.’ (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa ibn Taymiyah vol.23 pg.132)


He also said: "So many Ahaadith and reports exist regarding the excellence of the fifteenth night of Shabaan that one is compelled to accept that this night possesses some virtue". Some of the pious predecessors used to specially devote this night for Salaat. [Faydhul-Qadeer. vol 2., pg 317].


Moulana Abdur Rahman Mubarakpuri writes in his commentary of Tirmidhi, "The sheer number of Ahaadith regarding this night serve as proof against those people who refute the excellence of this night". [Tuhfatul-Ahwazi. vol 2. pg 53].


So are all the above counted as those who promoted something which is not founded in Islam? Or is it simply that those who oppose the excellency of such a night do not respect valid differences of opinion? You can decide.

format_quote Originally Posted by AabiruSabeel

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Our Lord (glorified and exalted be He) descends each night to the earth's sky when there remains the final third of the night, and He says: 'Who is saying a prayer to Me that I may answer it? Who is asking something of Me that I may give it him? Who is asking forgiveness of Me that I may forgive him?'" [Bukhari (also by Muslim, Malik, at-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud).]

salamz, i remembered that hadith too when i saw the brother's post, but even this seems difficult to understand in terms of literal value,
the Quran tells us in Ayat al -Kursi that His Throne encompasses the heavens and the earth, and that is easy to make sense of.
but Allah a'lam about the coming down as i don't want to be guilty of rejecting a hadith if it is real.
but since its always the third part of the night somewhere on this planet, i find it difficult to understand how it can be taken literally - because He - Exalted and Praised is He Above All we can imagine - would be in the lower heaven 24/7 if it was literal.
Allah a'lam if it is true or has been misinterpreted while being passed down, though it is not my place to reject it offhand.

format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000

salamz, i remembered that hadith too when i saw the brother's post, but even this seems difficult to understand in terms of literal value,
the Quran tells us in Ayat al -Kursi that His Throne encompasses the heavens and the earth, and that is easy to make sense of.
but Allah a'lam about the coming down as i don't want to be guilty of rejecting a hadith if it is real.
but since its always the third part of the night somewhere on this planet, i find it difficult to understand how it can be taken literally - because He - Exalted and Praised is He Above All we can imagine - would be in the lower heaven 24/7 if it was literal.
Allah a'lam if it is true or has been misinterpreted while being passed down, though it is not my place to reject it offhand.

To question the 'how' of the attributes of Allah, such as His descending or Rising (istiwa') is a reprehensible innovation as per the Early Muslims. We believe in a Lord that can do whatever He wishes - because to say otherwise would be saying that Allah (swt) cannot do something. It leads to, in extreme cases, denying the attributes altogether such as Mu'tazilites did and other sects who were all censored by the Salaf for heresy. The Early Muslims used to say that the attribute is known and what it is, is understood by it's apparent meaning, the 'how' (kayfiyyah) is unknown, Imaan in it is obligatory because it is from the Qur'an and the blessed tongue of the Messenger (saw), and to question it is a bid'ah.

Imaam at-Tirmidhee said, "It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (likening to the creation) to the Attributes of Allaah, and our Lord - the Blessed and Most High - Descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say: affirm these narrations, have faith in them, do not deny them or ask how. The likes of this has been related from Maalik bin Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn Uyaynah and Abdullaah bin al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘leave them as they are without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa’ah. However the Jahmiyyah oppose these narrations and say: this is tashbeeh! However Allaah - the Most High - has mentioned in various places in His book, the Attribute of Hand (al-Yad), Hearing (as-Sam’), Seeing (al-Basr), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these Verses, explaining in a way, other than is explained by the People of Knowledge. They say: indeed Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand - they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah."

‘Sunan at-Tirmidhee’ (3/42)

And Abu Ja’far at-Tirmidhee, when asked as to How Allaah keeps His Attribute of being above the creation if He Descends to the Lowest Heaven in the last third of the night, replied, "The Nuzool (Descent) is understood, but the how/nature is unknown, and faith in it is obligatory, and to question about it (i.e. how) is a bid’ah."

‘Mukhtasar al-Uluw’ (pg. 231) - Sahih

would someone please mention the ahadeeth which mentioning the qiyaam and siyaam in this night?

Laylatul-bara'ah" (The night of freedom from Fire).

....Fast of the 15th Sha'ban
On the day immediately following the Night of Bara'ah, i.e. the 15th of Sha'ban, it is mustahabb(advisable) to keep fast. Prophet Muhammad, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, is reported to have recommended this fast emphatically. Although the scholars of hadith have some doubts in the authenticity of this report, yet it is mentioned earlier that the fasts of the first half of Sha'ban have special merits and Prophet Muhammad, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, used to fast most of the days in Sha'ban. Moreover, a large number of the elders (salaf) of the Ummah have been observing the fast of the 15th ofSha'ban. This constant practice indicates that they have accepted the relevant hadith as authentic.


Therefore, it is advisable to fast the 15^th of Sha'ban as an optional (nafl) fast. One can also keep a fast of qada on this day and it is hoped that he can also benefit from the merits of this fast.


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full article here :

Sha'ban: Merits, Do's, and Dont's

By Mufti Taqi Usmani
- The Night of Bara'ah
- What Should be Done in this Night?
- What Should Not be Done in This Night
- Fast of the 15th Sha'ban

http://www.albalagh.net/general/shaban.shtml

What Should Not be Done in This Night



1. As mentioned earlier, the Night of Bara'ah is a night in which special blessings are directed towards the Muslims. Therefore, this night should be spent in total submission to Allah Almighty, and one should refrain from all those activities, which may displease Allah.



Although it is always incumbent upon every Muslim to abstain from sins, yet this abstinence becomes all the more necessary in such nights, because committing sins in this night will amount to responding to divine blessings with disobedience and felony.



Such an arrogant attitude can invite nothing but the wrath of Allah. Therefore, one should strictly abstain from all the sins, particularly from those mentioned in the Hadith No. 3 quoted earlier in this article, because these sins make one devoid of the blessings of this night.




2. In this night some people indulge in some activities which they regard as necessary for the celebration of the Night of Bara'ah, like cooking some special type of meal, or illuminating houses or mosques, or improvised structures.




All such activities are not only baseless and innovated in the later days by ignorant people, but in some cases they are pure imitation of some rituals performed by non-Muslim communities. Such imitation in itself is a sin; performing it in a blessed night like the Night of Bara'ah makes it worse. Muslims should strictly abstain from all such activities.




3. Some people spend this night in holding religious meetings and delivering long speeches. Such activities are also not advisable, because these acts can easily be performed in other nights. This night requires one to devote himself for the pure acts of worship only.




4. The acts of worship like Salah, recitation of the Qur'an and dhikr should be performed in this night individually, not collectively. The Nafl Salah should not be performed in Jama'ah, nor should the Muslims arrange gatherings in the mosques in order to celebrate the night in a collective manner.




On the contrary, this night is meant for worshipping Allah in solitude. It is the time to enjoy the direct contact with the Lord of the Universe, and to devote one's attention to Him and Him alone. These are the precious hours of the night in which nobody should intervene between one and his Lord, and one should turn to Allah with total concentration, not disturbed or intermitted by any one else.




That is why Prophet Muhammad, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, observed the acts of worship in this night in total seclusion, not accompanied by anyone, not even by his favorite life companion Sayyidah 'Aishah, Radi-Allahu anha, and that is why all forms of the optional worship (Nafl Ibadah), are advised by him to be done in individual, not in collective manner.

http://www.albalagh.net/general/shaban.shtml

Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak (r) was asked about the descent of Allah on the night of fifteenth of Sha'ban, he said to the one who asked, "O weak one! The night of the fifteenth? He descends every night!"

('Itiqaad ahl-as Sunnah)

format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000

salamz, i remembered that hadith too when i saw the brother's post, but even this seems difficult to understand in terms of literal value,
the Quran tells us in Ayat al -Kursi that His Throne encompasses the heavens and the earth, and that is easy to make sense of.
but Allah a'lam about the coming down as i don't want to be guilty of rejecting a hadith if it is real.
but since its always the third part of the night somewhere on this planet, i find it difficult to understand how it can be taken literally - because He - Exalted and Praised is He Above All we can imagine - would be in the lower heaven 24/7 if it was literal.
Allah a'lam if it is true or has been misinterpreted while being passed down, though it is not my place to reject it offhand.

Even more near.

(50:16) Surely We have created man, and We know the promptings of his heart, and We are nearer to him than even his jugular vein.

The worship in the night and fast of the day of the 15th of Shabaan is based on a tradition reported by Sayiddna Ali. Its text runs as follows :

When the Middle Night of Shabaan arrives, you should stand (Praying) in the night and should fast in the day following it. This Hadith is recorded by Ibn Majah in his Sunan, one of the famous six books of Hadith, and also by Baihaqi in his famous book Shu'ab-al-'iman'.

as I read that you do take the word of 3aalimu Al Hadeeth Al Albaani Rahimahu Allah; then Al Albani said that this hadeeth is fabricated (in his book of Daeef Al Jaami'e page 752 ).

Fabricated means : it means a lie .

and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:“Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229. It was also narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh, without the phrase “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else.”

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not tell lies about me, for whoever tells lies about me will enter Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 106. And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever narrates a hadeeth from me that he thinks is false is one of the liars.” Narrated by Muslim (1).

why to take his word as hujjah in some hadeeths but not the other some? there is no single sound hadeeth about such deeds in this night.

it will never be the act of worship itself but is it according Allah's law and Sunnah of His prophet Salla Allahu alyhi wa sallam?

Imam Sa’id ibn al-Musayyib {May Allah have mercy upon him} once saw a man praying more than two rak’ah after the beginning of Fajr, he was making many bows and prostrations, and so he forbade him from doing that.

The man {May Allah have mercy upon him} said,“O Abu Muhammad, is Allah going to punish me for praying?” Imam Sa’id ibn al-Musayyib said, “No, but He will punish you for contradicting the Sunnah.”

(Related by al-Bayhaqi, As-Sunan Al-Kubra Volume 2 pg. 466)

laa ilaha illa Allah, I'll just quit asking, explaining and replying...

earlier I said to our beloved, respected and noble brother Hamzah that:

I don't deny everything about Sha'ban my respected brother; I know that our prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him used to fast most of this month and sometimes he fasts few days only but never heard or read that he did specify the night of the half of Sha'baan with any prayer or fasting nor the guided caliphs may Allah Be pleased with them.

it is the deed of Attabi'een and their deeds May Allah Be pleased with them are not Hujjah to be taken and won't be and Allah knows the best.

forgive me if I made you upset in anyway, those are different of opinions and I mean not to impose anything on anyone...whats in my hand is to make the word reach others and thats it ; accepting it or not is in Allah's hand...and there will be nothing between us but the love of Allah and for His sake...this is the way of Salaf; differing but never ever hated each other for that or forced anyone to accept their opinions even if were based on strong addellah and according Allah's religion and shariah.

and I say the same to you all and as I see ;some are exceeding the lines of the speech laa ilaha illa Allah...we are not here to disrespect one another and I have never read one of the scholars insulting the other for differing in opinions; they used to respect one another, love each other and dialogue as Allah taught them; with Al 3aql, wisdom and husnu Al Khuluq...

we are living for Allah's sake and we do remember Him in everthing we do and say; we must...laa hawla wa laa qowata ila bellah.

I think it has been said so much about this matter and pretty enough ...Alhamdulilah for everything.

May Allah make you all amongst those who will enter The Highest level of the Paradise without any reckoning in the first group after Rasool Allah salla Allahu Alyhi wa sallam and be from those who see Allah's face daily in Paradise Ameeeeeeen

Wa Assalaamu Alikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh.