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    Mingling and Mixing of sexes (OP)


    The terms “mixing” and “mingling” are used frequently in discussions on the subject of male-female relations in Islam, but these terms were not used at the time the Qur’ân was revealed. For this reason, we cannot find direct references in the Qur’ân and Sunnah that say “free mixing between men and women is unlawful”. However, this does not mean that such conduct is permissible or that Islam has failed to address the matter. Islam has detailed the relationship between men and women in the most precise and exacting terms. It has set down clear guidelines to show men and women how they must conduct themselves with one another. From all of this, there can be no question that Islam prohibits the free mixing of the sexes.

    If we look at every verse of the Qur’ân in search of a direct statement prohibiting a child from beating his parents, we will never find it. It is not there. However, the Qur’ân says: “Do not even say to them ‘uff’.” Can any rational person, after hearing this verse, claim that it is permissible for a son to beat up his mother and father?

    Likewise, Islam has forbidden a woman from putting on perfume and passing in front of men. It has prohibited her from striking her feet on the ground when she walks to reveal the jingle of her hidden ornaments. Can anyone, after considering these and so many other rulings, assume that women and men are allowed to freely mingle and mix with one another?

    The texts of the Qur’ân and Sunnah are limited in number. If we were to abstain from forbidding anything that is not directly stipulated by word in the texts, we would be rejecting the validity of analogous reasoning in Islamic Law. This would leave countless matters of life without an Islamic legal ruling. This would strip Islamic Law of one of its greatest qualities, which is its relevance to all times and circumstances.

    It is absolutely clear from the texts that Islam does not allow men and women to meet each other whenever and however they like. It has placed clear regulations and restrictions upon such behavior and has defined the limits of interaction between men and women. Moreover, Islam has closed all doors that lead to temptation and promiscuity.

    When we consider all of the laws governing the relationship between men and women in Islam, we are forced to come to the conclusion that Islam forbids any mixing between the sexes that might provide even the remotest possibility of temptation. Scholars of Islam throughout history have fully appreciated this fact. We can see it evidenced in the writings of the great jurists:

    Al-Sarakhsî writes: “The judge should try women separately from men since people tend to crowd together in the courtroom. It is quite obvious that the mixing together of men and women under such crowded conditions is conducive to temptation and other distasteful consequences.” [al-Mabsût (16/80)]

    Al-Nawawî writes: “Ibn al-Mundhir and others maintain that it is a matter of unanimous agreement that women are not obligated to attend the Jumu`ah prayers. However, his argument that this is because it brings about the mixing of women and men is not correct. The attendance of women at the Jumu`ah prayers does not necessarily bring about such mixing since the women stay behind the men.” [al-Majmû` (4/350)]

    Al-Nawawî also writes: “One of the vilest innovations, that some ignorant people today are involved in, is the habit of lighting candles on Mount `Arafah on the ninth night. This behavior is gravely misguided and is full of improper goings-on such as the mixing of men and women.” [al-Majmû`: (8/140)]

    In the law book entitled al-Fawâkih al-Dawânî, there is a discussion of when it is permissible to refuse an invitation to a wedding party. It says: “An invitation may be refused if there is any clear wrongdoing at the party, like the mixing of men and women.” [al-Fawâkih al-Dawânî (2/322)]

    When scholars warn against the free mixing of men and women, they are not talking about the mere presence of men and women together in the same place. This is something that is definitely not prohibited by Islamic Law. Men and women gathered in the same place at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the mosque and in the marketplace. They walked down the same roads and public thoroughfares.

    The mere presence of men and women in the same area is not a great cause for temptation. It would be wrong to treat this as unlawful mixing, since the reason for prohibiting free mixing does not exist in such circumstances. If someone were to prohibit men and women from frequenting the same public places under the pretext of preventing temptation, this would be taking matters to an extreme and imposing a restriction that is unduly severe. Such a policy is, moreover, unnatural and would impose great hardships on people’s lives.

    At the same time, some circumstances are indisputably cases of unlawful mixing. This would include situations where women and men are crowded together so that there is a danger of their making physical contact. Equally unlawful would be any occasion where unrelated women and men are seated next to one another. Under these circumstances, desires are kindled and temptations are greater and regrettable things happen, as is seen time and again in co-ed schools and mixed social events.

    The same can be said for any repeated acquaintance between men and women. Repeated meetings break down the barriers between men and women and allow a relationship to develop between them.

    We cannot compare situations like these to the general presence of men and women at shops and other open public places, especially when women are accompanied by their family. In such cases, there is no intimacy, no crowding, and no reason for suspicion. Preventing women from public places frequented by men in order to prevent temptation would be taking things to an extreme.

    A woman is commanded in Islam not to come too close to men. She is not, however, prohibited from going to places where men are present as long as she does not approach them or place herself in a position where she is alone with them.

    There can be no doubt that preventative legislation is an important part of Islamic Law. There are numerous rulings in Islam that are preventative in nature. However, this does not mean that we can legislate against every remote possibility of wrongdoing that we can think of. Doing so would be a violation of Islam’s tolerance and magnanimity and its ease of application. It would place too great a burden upon the believers.

    People might differ as to the degree of mixing that is prohibited. We can, nonetheless, get a good approximation of proper limits by reviewing the laws of Islam that govern the relationship between men and women. The sacred texts provides ample evidence about how and when men and women can meet, how women should dress and conduct themselves when they go outside, and many other pertinent matters. It is impossible for free mixing between men and women to occur if Islamic Law is properly observed.

    The body of evidence showing that women and men should not mix freely with one another is quite large. We will briefly mention some of it:

    1. Allah says: “And when you ask the ladies for anything, ask them from before a screen. That makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs.” [Sûrah al-Ahzâb: 53] For women to go about uncovered in the company of men is inarguably a gross violation of the command given in this verse.

    2. It is prohibited for men to join women in one place in the absence of at least one of the women’s close male relatives. The Prophet (peace be upon him) forbade men and women from being alone together. He said: “Never is a man alone with a woman except that Satan is the third party with them.”

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said: “Do not enter into the company of women.”
    A man then asked him: “What about her male in-laws?”

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: “The in-law is the most dangerous”.

    This hadîth emphasizes the importance of being wary of in-laws since they are likely to have more opportunities to be alone with the woman and to see her as others do not get the opportunity to see her.

    The private meeting between a man and an unchaperoned woman is one of the serious forms of mixing that can take place between the sexes. Temptations are worse when the people know that they are shielded from the sight of others.

    Ibn Daqîq al-`خd makes the following important observation: “We must take into consideration whether or not the man’s arrival at a place brings about a situation where he is alone with the woman. If it does not do so, it is not unlawful for him to go there.” (2/181)

    This point was made clear by the Prophet (peace be upon him) when he said: “No man should enter into the presence of a woman after this day unless he is accompanied by one or two other men.” [Sahîh Muslim]

    3. There are numerous evidences that the woman may not shake hands with men who are not among her closest relatives.

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) never shook hands with an unrelated woman. Umaymah b. Raqîqah said: “I came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) with a group of the women of Madinah to swear fealty for Islam. The women informed Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) that they wished to swear fealty to him. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ‘I do not shake hands with women. The way I accept the pledge from one woman is the same as with one hundred women.” [al-Muwatta’, Sunan al-Tirmidhî, Sunan al-Nasa’î and Sunan Ibn Majah].

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said: “It is better for one of you to be pierced by a steel pin in his head than to touch the hand of a strange woman.” [Al-Mundhirî mentions that all the narrators of this hadîth are trustworthy. Al-Albânî classifies it as a good hadîth in Ghâyah al-Marâm (no. 403).]

    4. The Qur’ân clearly forbids women from being soft of speech while talking to men. Allah says: “Be not too complaisant of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak with a speech (that is) proper.” [Sûrah al-Ahzâb: 32].

    5. There is evidence that women may not sit with strange men while wearing perfume. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Any woman who puts on perfume then goes and passes by some men to let them find her scent is a type of adulteress.” [Musnad Ahmad, Sunan al-Tirmidhî, Sunan Abî Dâwûd, and Sunan al-Nasâ’î with a sound chain of transmission]

    6. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The best of rows in prayer for the man is the first row and the worst for him is the last, and the best of rows for the women is the last row and the worst for her is the first.” [Sahîh Muslim].

    If this advice is being given for men and women when they are in their purest frame of mind and engaged in prayer, then how should they be expected to conduct themselves in other situations?

    Ibn `Abbâs relates that he prayed one of the `خd prayers with the Prophet (peace be upon him). He informs us that the Prophet (peace be upon him) prayed and offered a sermon, then he went to the women and offered to them a separate sermon, admonishing them and encouraging them to give charity. [Sahîh al-Bukhârî]

    Ibn Hajr offers the following observations about this hadîth: “The fact that he went to the women separately shows that the women were assembled separately from the men and were not mixed in with them.” [Fath al-Bârî (2/466)]

    7. Once the Prophet (peace be upon him) saw men and women mixing together on the road upon their departure from the mosque. He said to the women: “Hold back a bit. You do not have to walk in the middle of the road. You may keep to the sides.” The narrator of the hadîth commented that after that time, women would come so close to the buildings that their dresses would sometime cling to the walls.” [Sunan Abî Dâwûd with a sound chain of transmission]

    Ibn `Umar related that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said about one of the mosque’s doors: “We should leave this door exclusively for women to use.” Ibn `Umar, until he died, never again entered through that door. [Sunan Abî Dâwûd with a sound chain of transmission. Al-Albânî says: “This hadîth is authentic according to the conditions set down by Bukhârî and Muslim.”]

    Umm Salamah said: “When the Prophet (peace be upon him) completed the prayer, the women would get up to leave. He would then wait awhile before standing.” Ibn Shahâb said: “I believe that he waited for a while to give the women an opportunity to depart before the men.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî]

    Ibn Hajr comments: “In the hadîth, we see that it is disliked for men and women to mix on the road. How much more, then, should such mixing be avoided inside of houses.” [Fath al-Bârî (2/336)]

    8. It was related in al-Bukhârî that women at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) did not circumambulate the Ka`bah along with the men. `آ’ishah used to go around the Ka`bah at a good distance from the men and avoided mixing with them. Once another woman bade to her to go forward with her so they could touch the corner of the Ka`bah. `آ’ishah refused to do so. [Sahîh al-Bukhârî]

    One of `آishah’s handmaidens came to her and said: “O Mother of believers, I went around the Ka`bah seven times and touched the corner twice or trice”.

    `آishah replied: “May Allah not reward you for pushing your way through men. It would have been sufficient for you to you to say “Allah Akbar” as you passed by”. [Musnad al-Shâfi`î]

    There are two things that this shows us. First, `آ’ishah did not hesitate to circumambulate the Ka`bah when there were men around, nor did she forbid other women from doing so. She only refrained from crowding into men and mixing with them and this is what she prohibited others from doing. This shows us in the clearest of terms that the mere presence of men and women in the same place is not prohibited.

    Second, the mixing and contact between men and women circumambulating the Ka`bah that unavoidably occurs during Hajj under today’s crowded conditions cannot be used as proof that such mixing is generally allowed. Firstly, the practice of the people does not constitute any sort of evidence in Islamic Law. Secondly, what is happening today during Hajj is unavoidable. It is permitted out of necessity and cannot be made into a general rule for all times and circumstances. It would be fruitless for us to try and demand that women avoid contact with men while circumambulating the Ka`bah during Hajj. It would be equally impossible to ask them to delay their circumambulations until the crowds depart, especially since the women on Hajj are always accompanied by the others who came with them who cannot be forced to wait around.

    It is pure sophistry for anyone to use these exceptional circumstances to argue that men and women are allowed to mingle under circumstances where no necessity exists. It is just as baseless as taking the other extreme and declaring the mere presence or men and women in the same place to be unlawful mixing.

    We will conclude by mentioning a few verses of the Qur’ân. Allah says: “Nor come nigh to adultery”. In this verse, Allah does not say “Do not commit adultery” but tells us not even to come close to it. This means that everything that may seduce a person to fall into adultery is unlawful.

    Moreover, Allah says: “Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them.” and says: “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty.” [Sûrah al-Nûr: 30-31] This shows us how men and women are to conduct themselves.

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    this must happen only in isalm because normally in society people interact and are quite responsible when acting upon their feelings, it is sad that you cannot exercise self-governance. as for islam pre-empting the possibility of attraction, then segregation is in itself half-baked best not have children at all cos one way or another you will still be attracted to someone, and what of lesbians what if they feel attracted how you gonna solve that one?, anyhows attraction is healthy and a part of life a person should embrace all things and live in the moment this is called living, this does not mean you act upon them when you love someone you can embrace that love and let it well-up in youre whole being, being imbued with such natural emotions is what makes us who we are, denying them is not abiding by the will of god, the purest one is one who shines like a radiant pearl whilst situated in the midst of filth, if you cannot do that, then you must live enslaved.
    Thats why Allah swt has prescribed for us a thing called "marriage" so that we can act upon our desires/attractions in a lawful manner.

    You dont need to look very far to see the curruption in society that intermixing with the oposite gender causes. How many marriages end up in divorce because of ppl having ellicit affairs. The spread of aids, children born out of wedlock etc etc. All these things start with "attraction" then lead to other things which then lead to major sinful acts. Islam has a cure for everything. It warns us about the harms of free mixing. Its cure starts with the root of where this illness arises from which is to lower the gaze and to avoid free mixing.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    this must happen only in isalm because normally in society people interact and are quite responsible when acting upon their feelings, it is sad that you cannot exercise self-governance. as for islam pre-empting the possibility of attraction, then segregation is in itself half-baked best not have children at all cos one way or another you will still be attracted to someone, and what of lesbians what if they feel attracted how you gonna solve that one?, anyhows attraction is healthy and a part of life a person should embrace all things and live in the moment this is called living, this does not mean you act upon them when you love someone you can embrace that love and let it well-up in youre whole being, being imbued with such natural emotions is what makes us who we are, denying them is not abiding by the will of god, the purest one is one who shines like a radiant pearl whilst situated in the midst of filth, if you cannot do that, then you must live enslaved.:thankyou:

    Hey.


    First of all, islam does not forbid love or attraction to a member of the opposite sex - but instead, it channels it in a way which is permissible so both parties can live in tranquility and peace.


    Allaah Almighty says in the Qur'an:

    He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts.) [30:21]



    The way islam permits love is through marriage, and it is sunnah and a muslim gets rewarded for being kind to their spouse;


    Allah's Apostle (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "You will be rewarded for whatever you spend for Allah's sake even if it were a morsel which you put in your wife's mouth." (Sahih Bukhari)

    The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said: 'The most perfect Muslim in the matter of faith is one who has excellent behavior; and the best among you are those who behave best towards their wives" (Tirmidhi)


    It is encouraged from the above evidences to love and treat your spouses in the best way you can, and the reason why islam doesn't allow pre-marital relationships is due to the fact that they are insecure, the children who are born out of wedlock may not i.e. have a father to lookafter them, and instead of living an animal lifestyle - marriage is a bond which makes both parties feel secure.


    Islam does allow contact between both parties before a marriage takes place, so both parties can meet each other and see if the other person is attractive, although this does have its limits i.e. their has to be a guardian for the female when both parties are in contact, and they can discuss what they would like in the future, and see if their personalities compliment each other etc.

    If they agree, the marriage can take place.

    Read More: The Relationship between the Engaged Couple
    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503543584


    Islam doesn't permit gay/lesbian acts, and it is a fact that this is not a natural attraction due to the fact that Allaah Almighty forbids it. That is sufficent for us as a proof.



    Peace.

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    Re: LI Forums your opinions

    format_quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    this must happen only in isalm because normally in society people interact and are quite responsible when acting upon their feelings, it is sad that you cannot exercise self-governance. as for islam pre-empting the possibility of attraction, then segregation is in itself half-baked best not have children at all cos one way or another you will still be attracted to someone, and what of lesbians what if they feel attracted how you gonna solve that one?, anyhows attraction is healthy and a part of life a person should embrace all things and live in the moment this is called living, this does not mean you act upon them when you love someone you can embrace that love and let it well-up in youre whole being, being imbued with such natural emotions is what makes us who we are, denying them is not abiding by the will of god, the purest one is one who shines like a radiant pearl whilst situated in the midst of filth, if you cannot do that, then you must live enslaved.:thankyou:

    You may call it enslaved or oppression, of self-ignorance because of the fact that we are so vigilant over our feelings, but in Islam this is a complete way of life.

    The things that we are forbidden to do always have a strong moral behind them. Anything sinful that we do, is accounted on our deeds.

    If Allah(saw) tells us not to have sex before marriage, then what are we going to do, let our emotions take over us and ignore what he said? I mean..we would obviously be hypocrites!

    The lame excuse that we are enslaved that we don't have the so-called freedom is such a false impression that even muslim women themselves decide to defend themselves to the maximum.

    How are we as muslims are so ever enslaved if we continue to follow what Allah(swt) has told us to do?

    If we are enslaved..we surely have the option to convert into another religion don't you think?

    If we are so oppressed..you wouldn't see a muslim woman wearing niquab for her own sake in the name of protection. As a a matter of fact, ask any niquabi you see why they wear niquab for? They will not tell you they are enslaved they will tell you its for the sake of protection hence a moral right.
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    "The lame excuse that we are enslaved that we don't have the so-called freedom is such a false impression that even muslim women themselves decide to defend themselves to the maximum."

    is there an epidemic of female molestation that i am unaware of?, is there a seedy underground which is waiting to pounce upon muslim women so that they purposely go to hell?

    How are we as muslims are so ever enslaved if we continue to follow what Allah(swt) has told us to do?
    when any man comes under the weight of ANY law then they are no longer in charge of their destiny, god takes full account of the thought not just the action, if you let the thought play out within then you will be able to move on, but if you prevent the thought in the first place then you are escaping a part of you which is inherent to being a human, and yes i believe that wrapping yourself in cotton wool is a form of slavery even if you are lead to believe it is for your protection. I used to be a part of amnesty international and for all the islami laws in iran to protect women, women are still one of the greatest number of criminals who are hanged for killing men because theydid not resist rape. Now i am sure youll find some fancy way to wriggle out of this fact but remember that when you shovel rape stats about the western world , they can easily be wriggled out of aswell. Simple fact: face each challenge as it comes, this world is a battlefield and women are expected to fight an equal battle not hide in a bunker.

    If we are enslaved..we surely have the option to convert into another religion don't you think?
    no cos i dont believe islam is as how you are brought up to believe it is, initially all religions start of the same and then because of feudalism, patriarchy and mysogynistic leaders the message goes astray. I bet if more women in isalm started to assert themselves in society as active equal participants men would initially be ashamed but ultimately consider updating their religious praxis.


    If we are so oppressed..you wouldn't see a muslim woman wearing niquab for her own sake in the name of protection. As a a matter of fact, ask any niquabi you see why they wear niquab for? They will not tell you they are enslaved they will tell you its for the sake of protection hence a moral right
    i never said you were opressed i believe islamic women are too subservient to men and the older women are equally aggressive to younger women because of the fear of men, i think muslim women should make an example of of macho men more this is the only way they can regain leadership and respect amongst all women in the ummah, once one is liberated that one will liberate many more. I dont believe all this stuff about muslim women wearing niqab for protection i think its sometimes a political message especially in the west, go to pakistan and you wouldnt think it was an islamic country, also its become cool and trendy to wear muslim fashion even non-muslims do it there even fashion cat-wals which i think is a good thing.

    When i used to work in an office I used to always go to nandos with a muslim girl and she was a devout muslim she never had a problem yeah the blokes used to talk behing her back cos we used to go together but I and she and the staff at nandos all knew that nothing went on, just gossiping muslim men are trouble causers cos they got sad lives. well some of them anyways.

    Gurfateh:thankyou:

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    Re: LI Forums your opinions

    format_quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    is there an epidemic of female molestation that i am unaware of?, is there a seedy underground which is waiting to pounce upon muslim women so that they purposely go to hell?


    A woman gets raped every minute in america....

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Abd'Majid View Post


    A woman gets raped every minute in america....


    http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02...den-and.html:X

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    ^ Link doesnt work!


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    http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimrape.htm

    i am just trying to show that these stats are not relevant because i believe you can bring up your children well enough without segregating them.

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    Hi F sabililah:thankyou:


    “First of all, islam does not forbid love or attraction to a member of the opposite sex - but instead, it channels it in a way which is permissible so both parties can live in tranquility and peace.”
    So does dating.


    “Allaah Almighty says in the Qur'an:
    He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts.) [30:21]”
    That has nothing to do with segregation of male and female.


    “The way islam permits love is through marriage, and it is sunnah and a muslim gets rewarded for being kind to their spouse;

    Allah's Apostle (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "You will be rewarded for whatever you spend for Allah's sake even if it were a morsel which you put in your wife's mouth." (Sahih Bukhari)

    The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said: 'The most perfect Muslim in the matter of faith is one who has excellent behavior; and the best among you are those who behave best towards their wives" (Tirmidhi)”
    Both of which have nothing to do with segration


    “It is encouraged from the above evidences to love and treat your spouses in the best way you can, and the reason why islam doesn't allow pre-marital relationships is due to the fact that they are insecure, the children who are born out of wedlock may not i.e. have a father to lookafter them, and instead of living an animal lifestyle - marriage is a bond which makes both parties feel secure.”
    You havnt shown where islam forbids intermingling? You’ve told me about being kind to youre spouse that’s great but the threads about intermingling, please advise. living an animal lifestyle? - it doesnt happen in my family there are single parent mothers and their doing pretty well without their partners it depends on what youve had drummed into you growing up, if youve been told that you are unequipped then that teaching will have a sphere of influence on you no matter what you do in your life, especially when suggested with fire and brimstone.


    “Islam does allow contact between both parties before a marriage takes place, so both parties can meet each other and see if the other person is attractive, although this does have its limits i.e. their has to be a guardian for the female when both parties are in contact, and they can discuss what they would like in the future, and see if their personalities compliment each other etc.”
    Prove it from koran



    “Islam doesn't permit gay/lesbian acts, and it is a fact that this is not a natural attraction due to the fact that Allaah Almighty forbids it. That is sufficent for us as a proof.”
    But attraction still happens whether you approve it or not that’s the fact it doesn’t matter whether its forbidden.


    ISDhillon

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    You havnt shown where islam forbids intermingling? You’ve told me about being kind to youre spouse that’s great but the threads about intermingling, please advise. living an animal lifestyle? - it doesnt happen in my family there are single parent mothers and their doing pretty well without their partners it depends on what youve had drummed into you growing up, if youve been told that you are unequipped then that teaching will have a sphere of influence on you no matter what you do in your life, especially when suggested with fire and brimstone.

    Marriage is the ONLY legal way in islam for one to even mingle with the opposite sex.

    Marriage is the only open channel to all muslim men and women for not only commitment, however, for different reasons.

    So imagine if you had a girlfriend, you had sex with her and everything then what is the point of marriage?


    Marriage is supposed to be a sacred ordeal no just some 2nd hand thing after a loose relationship with some person that you are not even related to.



    But attraction still happens whether you approve it or not that’s the fact it doesn’t matter whether its forbidden.

    Its forbidden if you cross the boundary. Just b/c you may be attracted to a girl or guy doesn't give anyone the lame excuse to go on ahead and try to talk to her b/ the shaytaan is always always and ALWAYS the third party.
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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    So, since sexual attraction isn t strictly between those of opposite genders, and segregation is the best way to prevent undue attraction, should we then be segregated from all non-relatives, regardless of gender? Also what should those who are intersexed do? What about those who happen to be androgynous (having the genitalia of one gender, but an ambiguous gender expression)? Methinks the Qur'anic approach is best: everybody, dress modestly, don't look with an intent that you can't lawfully make good on, and don't talk trash about other people. Good then, good today.
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    Re: LI Forums your opinions

    :thankyou: [QUOTE]
    format_quote Originally Posted by Halima View Post
    Marriage is the ONLY legal way in islam for one to even mingle with the opposite sex.
    show me this from koran

    Marriage is the only open channel to all muslim men and women for not only commitment, however, for different reasons.
    thats great but has nothing to do with segregation, somewhere there is a misunderstanding i dont know whether you realise it.

    So imagine if you had a girlfriend, you had sex with her and everything then what is the point of marriage?
    i dont believe in sex before marriage but again what does your question have to do with segregation, i respect your view on this but without proof how can you tell others its wrong?


    Marriage is supposed to be a sacred ordeal no just some 2nd hand thing after a loose relationship with some person that you are not even related to.
    i agree, related? i dont believe in incest sorry,

    Please show me where islam says two sexes cannot intermingle i need to see the word "intermingling"

    thanks and no offence,

    ISDhillon:thankyou:

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    Have you read all the posts?
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    I couldnt be bothered to read all of it was very sporadic and not very well laid out but this one is good:

    Moreover, Allah says: “Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them.” and says: “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty.” [Sûrah al-Nûr: 30-31] This shows us how men and women are to conduct themselves.
    this is exactly what i am arguing for that women and men must both be on their guard, is this not a symbol of self-governance that your revelation asks for, that the battle of purity is fought daily within and you should fight the battle rather than take yourself out of the situation because then how can you get rewarded for a test you are not present for?

    i hope you get me,

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Halima View Post
    Why?

    Well because there is no need for brothers to talk to sisters unless it is essential.


    Now see, that is basically one of the reasons why super mods have the right to check the P.M's between brothers/sisters..to make sure everything goes in accordance to the Shariah law as sister Labibah has stated earlier.



    Now if a sister for some reason perfers to give the message to a brother via a mod then by all means she is enable to do so.



    Infact, this is one of the better choices then directly communicating to a brother, in my opinon.
    can you give a message through the mods? that's good..

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    format_quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    I couldnt be bothered to read all of it was very sporadic and not very well laid out but this one is good:



    this is exactly what i am arguing for that women and men must both be on their guard, is this not a symbol of self-governance that your revelation asks for, that the battle of purity is fought daily within and you should fight the battle rather than take yourself out of the situation because then how can you get rewarded for a test you are not present for?

    i hope you get me,

    ISDhillon
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    You don't make sense one point your saying lower your gaze and then you say "Rather then take yourself out of the situation" Prevention is the best cure.

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    ISDhillon, I see what you're saying, but surely, if there is a danger of certain things happening in certain situations, the logical thing would be to avoid those situations, rather than seek them out?

    Apologies if I've misunderstood.

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    I agree with you on this one Muezzin... scary.

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    Salam
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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    ISDhillon, I see what you're saying, but surely, if there is a danger of certain things happening in certain situations, the logical thing would be to avoid those situations, rather than seek them out?

    Apologies if I've misunderstood.
    but then you havnt taken the test to be "on guard", you have pre-empted the test so when allah asks you about youre morality your gonna say i didnt take the test i circumvented it, i believe if you are saying to live by gods will then you should throw yourself in the deep end and take on all lives challenges, because i feel like people see it that a women should not put herself in a position to be abused, however abuse is in itself is a grave assumption i cant stress that enough!!!! and if were completely honest is there a place anywhere in the world which has no intermingling. The same goes for those types of people who still feel attraction when seperated, they have to take the same test, no?

    Have a nice day folks,

    ISDhillon:thankyou:


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