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    The terms “mixing” and “mingling” are used frequently in discussions on the subject of male-female relations in Islam, but these terms were not used at the time the Qur’ân was revealed. For this reason, we cannot find direct references in the Qur’ân and Sunnah that say “free mixing between men and women is unlawful”. However, this does not mean that such conduct is permissible or that Islam has failed to address the matter. Islam has detailed the relationship between men and women in the most precise and exacting terms. It has set down clear guidelines to show men and women how they must conduct themselves with one another. From all of this, there can be no question that Islam prohibits the free mixing of the sexes.

    If we look at every verse of the Qur’ân in search of a direct statement prohibiting a child from beating his parents, we will never find it. It is not there. However, the Qur’ân says: “Do not even say to them ‘uff’.” Can any rational person, after hearing this verse, claim that it is permissible for a son to beat up his mother and father?

    Likewise, Islam has forbidden a woman from putting on perfume and passing in front of men. It has prohibited her from striking her feet on the ground when she walks to reveal the jingle of her hidden ornaments. Can anyone, after considering these and so many other rulings, assume that women and men are allowed to freely mingle and mix with one another?

    The texts of the Qur’ân and Sunnah are limited in number. If we were to abstain from forbidding anything that is not directly stipulated by word in the texts, we would be rejecting the validity of analogous reasoning in Islamic Law. This would leave countless matters of life without an Islamic legal ruling. This would strip Islamic Law of one of its greatest qualities, which is its relevance to all times and circumstances.

    It is absolutely clear from the texts that Islam does not allow men and women to meet each other whenever and however they like. It has placed clear regulations and restrictions upon such behavior and has defined the limits of interaction between men and women. Moreover, Islam has closed all doors that lead to temptation and promiscuity.

    When we consider all of the laws governing the relationship between men and women in Islam, we are forced to come to the conclusion that Islam forbids any mixing between the sexes that might provide even the remotest possibility of temptation. Scholars of Islam throughout history have fully appreciated this fact. We can see it evidenced in the writings of the great jurists:

    Al-Sarakhsî writes: “The judge should try women separately from men since people tend to crowd together in the courtroom. It is quite obvious that the mixing together of men and women under such crowded conditions is conducive to temptation and other distasteful consequences.” [al-Mabsût (16/80)]

    Al-Nawawî writes: “Ibn al-Mundhir and others maintain that it is a matter of unanimous agreement that women are not obligated to attend the Jumu`ah prayers. However, his argument that this is because it brings about the mixing of women and men is not correct. The attendance of women at the Jumu`ah prayers does not necessarily bring about such mixing since the women stay behind the men.” [al-Majmû` (4/350)]

    Al-Nawawî also writes: “One of the vilest innovations, that some ignorant people today are involved in, is the habit of lighting candles on Mount `Arafah on the ninth night. This behavior is gravely misguided and is full of improper goings-on such as the mixing of men and women.” [al-Majmû`: (8/140)]

    In the law book entitled al-Fawâkih al-Dawânî, there is a discussion of when it is permissible to refuse an invitation to a wedding party. It says: “An invitation may be refused if there is any clear wrongdoing at the party, like the mixing of men and women.” [al-Fawâkih al-Dawânî (2/322)]

    When scholars warn against the free mixing of men and women, they are not talking about the mere presence of men and women together in the same place. This is something that is definitely not prohibited by Islamic Law. Men and women gathered in the same place at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the mosque and in the marketplace. They walked down the same roads and public thoroughfares.

    The mere presence of men and women in the same area is not a great cause for temptation. It would be wrong to treat this as unlawful mixing, since the reason for prohibiting free mixing does not exist in such circumstances. If someone were to prohibit men and women from frequenting the same public places under the pretext of preventing temptation, this would be taking matters to an extreme and imposing a restriction that is unduly severe. Such a policy is, moreover, unnatural and would impose great hardships on people’s lives.

    At the same time, some circumstances are indisputably cases of unlawful mixing. This would include situations where women and men are crowded together so that there is a danger of their making physical contact. Equally unlawful would be any occasion where unrelated women and men are seated next to one another. Under these circumstances, desires are kindled and temptations are greater and regrettable things happen, as is seen time and again in co-ed schools and mixed social events.

    The same can be said for any repeated acquaintance between men and women. Repeated meetings break down the barriers between men and women and allow a relationship to develop between them.

    We cannot compare situations like these to the general presence of men and women at shops and other open public places, especially when women are accompanied by their family. In such cases, there is no intimacy, no crowding, and no reason for suspicion. Preventing women from public places frequented by men in order to prevent temptation would be taking things to an extreme.

    A woman is commanded in Islam not to come too close to men. She is not, however, prohibited from going to places where men are present as long as she does not approach them or place herself in a position where she is alone with them.

    There can be no doubt that preventative legislation is an important part of Islamic Law. There are numerous rulings in Islam that are preventative in nature. However, this does not mean that we can legislate against every remote possibility of wrongdoing that we can think of. Doing so would be a violation of Islam’s tolerance and magnanimity and its ease of application. It would place too great a burden upon the believers.

    People might differ as to the degree of mixing that is prohibited. We can, nonetheless, get a good approximation of proper limits by reviewing the laws of Islam that govern the relationship between men and women. The sacred texts provides ample evidence about how and when men and women can meet, how women should dress and conduct themselves when they go outside, and many other pertinent matters. It is impossible for free mixing between men and women to occur if Islamic Law is properly observed.

    The body of evidence showing that women and men should not mix freely with one another is quite large. We will briefly mention some of it:

    1. Allah says: “And when you ask the ladies for anything, ask them from before a screen. That makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs.” [Sûrah al-Ahzâb: 53] For women to go about uncovered in the company of men is inarguably a gross violation of the command given in this verse.

    2. It is prohibited for men to join women in one place in the absence of at least one of the women’s close male relatives. The Prophet (peace be upon him) forbade men and women from being alone together. He said: “Never is a man alone with a woman except that Satan is the third party with them.”

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said: “Do not enter into the company of women.”
    A man then asked him: “What about her male in-laws?”

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: “The in-law is the most dangerous”.

    This hadîth emphasizes the importance of being wary of in-laws since they are likely to have more opportunities to be alone with the woman and to see her as others do not get the opportunity to see her.

    The private meeting between a man and an unchaperoned woman is one of the serious forms of mixing that can take place between the sexes. Temptations are worse when the people know that they are shielded from the sight of others.

    Ibn Daqîq al-`خd makes the following important observation: “We must take into consideration whether or not the man’s arrival at a place brings about a situation where he is alone with the woman. If it does not do so, it is not unlawful for him to go there.” (2/181)

    This point was made clear by the Prophet (peace be upon him) when he said: “No man should enter into the presence of a woman after this day unless he is accompanied by one or two other men.” [Sahîh Muslim]

    3. There are numerous evidences that the woman may not shake hands with men who are not among her closest relatives.

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) never shook hands with an unrelated woman. Umaymah b. Raqîqah said: “I came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) with a group of the women of Madinah to swear fealty for Islam. The women informed Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) that they wished to swear fealty to him. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ‘I do not shake hands with women. The way I accept the pledge from one woman is the same as with one hundred women.” [al-Muwatta’, Sunan al-Tirmidhî, Sunan al-Nasa’î and Sunan Ibn Majah].

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said: “It is better for one of you to be pierced by a steel pin in his head than to touch the hand of a strange woman.” [Al-Mundhirî mentions that all the narrators of this hadîth are trustworthy. Al-Albânî classifies it as a good hadîth in Ghâyah al-Marâm (no. 403).]

    4. The Qur’ân clearly forbids women from being soft of speech while talking to men. Allah says: “Be not too complaisant of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak with a speech (that is) proper.” [Sûrah al-Ahzâb: 32].

    5. There is evidence that women may not sit with strange men while wearing perfume. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Any woman who puts on perfume then goes and passes by some men to let them find her scent is a type of adulteress.” [Musnad Ahmad, Sunan al-Tirmidhî, Sunan Abî Dâwûd, and Sunan al-Nasâ’î with a sound chain of transmission]

    6. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The best of rows in prayer for the man is the first row and the worst for him is the last, and the best of rows for the women is the last row and the worst for her is the first.” [Sahîh Muslim].

    If this advice is being given for men and women when they are in their purest frame of mind and engaged in prayer, then how should they be expected to conduct themselves in other situations?

    Ibn `Abbâs relates that he prayed one of the `خd prayers with the Prophet (peace be upon him). He informs us that the Prophet (peace be upon him) prayed and offered a sermon, then he went to the women and offered to them a separate sermon, admonishing them and encouraging them to give charity. [Sahîh al-Bukhârî]

    Ibn Hajr offers the following observations about this hadîth: “The fact that he went to the women separately shows that the women were assembled separately from the men and were not mixed in with them.” [Fath al-Bârî (2/466)]

    7. Once the Prophet (peace be upon him) saw men and women mixing together on the road upon their departure from the mosque. He said to the women: “Hold back a bit. You do not have to walk in the middle of the road. You may keep to the sides.” The narrator of the hadîth commented that after that time, women would come so close to the buildings that their dresses would sometime cling to the walls.” [Sunan Abî Dâwûd with a sound chain of transmission]

    Ibn `Umar related that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said about one of the mosque’s doors: “We should leave this door exclusively for women to use.” Ibn `Umar, until he died, never again entered through that door. [Sunan Abî Dâwûd with a sound chain of transmission. Al-Albânî says: “This hadîth is authentic according to the conditions set down by Bukhârî and Muslim.”]

    Umm Salamah said: “When the Prophet (peace be upon him) completed the prayer, the women would get up to leave. He would then wait awhile before standing.” Ibn Shahâb said: “I believe that he waited for a while to give the women an opportunity to depart before the men.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî]

    Ibn Hajr comments: “In the hadîth, we see that it is disliked for men and women to mix on the road. How much more, then, should such mixing be avoided inside of houses.” [Fath al-Bârî (2/336)]

    8. It was related in al-Bukhârî that women at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) did not circumambulate the Ka`bah along with the men. `آ’ishah used to go around the Ka`bah at a good distance from the men and avoided mixing with them. Once another woman bade to her to go forward with her so they could touch the corner of the Ka`bah. `آ’ishah refused to do so. [Sahîh al-Bukhârî]

    One of `آishah’s handmaidens came to her and said: “O Mother of believers, I went around the Ka`bah seven times and touched the corner twice or trice”.

    `آishah replied: “May Allah not reward you for pushing your way through men. It would have been sufficient for you to you to say “Allah Akbar” as you passed by”. [Musnad al-Shâfi`î]

    There are two things that this shows us. First, `آ’ishah did not hesitate to circumambulate the Ka`bah when there were men around, nor did she forbid other women from doing so. She only refrained from crowding into men and mixing with them and this is what she prohibited others from doing. This shows us in the clearest of terms that the mere presence of men and women in the same place is not prohibited.

    Second, the mixing and contact between men and women circumambulating the Ka`bah that unavoidably occurs during Hajj under today’s crowded conditions cannot be used as proof that such mixing is generally allowed. Firstly, the practice of the people does not constitute any sort of evidence in Islamic Law. Secondly, what is happening today during Hajj is unavoidable. It is permitted out of necessity and cannot be made into a general rule for all times and circumstances. It would be fruitless for us to try and demand that women avoid contact with men while circumambulating the Ka`bah during Hajj. It would be equally impossible to ask them to delay their circumambulations until the crowds depart, especially since the women on Hajj are always accompanied by the others who came with them who cannot be forced to wait around.

    It is pure sophistry for anyone to use these exceptional circumstances to argue that men and women are allowed to mingle under circumstances where no necessity exists. It is just as baseless as taking the other extreme and declaring the mere presence or men and women in the same place to be unlawful mixing.

    We will conclude by mentioning a few verses of the Qur’ân. Allah says: “Nor come nigh to adultery”. In this verse, Allah does not say “Do not commit adultery” but tells us not even to come close to it. This means that everything that may seduce a person to fall into adultery is unlawful.

    Moreover, Allah says: “Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them.” and says: “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty.” [Sûrah al-Nûr: 30-31] This shows us how men and women are to conduct themselves.

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

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    format_quote Originally Posted by NJUSA View Post
    Intergender relations are highly contextual. In some Muslim cultures, men and women do befriend one another; in others, they barely speak. In some Muslim cultures, men and women speak freely for matters of commerce, education, esp. religious topics, but do not socialize per se. In all Muslim cultures, chastity is valued, but the association of social intercourse with intercourse of another kind is not universally made among Muslims.
    That's interestig, NJUSA.
    Thanks for your reply.

    Another point I would like to make, is that whilst I agree that such rules which prevent contact between men and women also prevent the risk of inappropriate relationships, it also indicates a certain level of distrust.

    For example, if my husband did not want me to go to work to avoid me coming in contact with other men, or if I did not want him to socialise with other women, I would somehow feel that our marriage is lacking trust.
    My husband trusts me to be faithful - not because there are rules in place which prevent me from being unfaithful to him, but because I love him, cherish our marriage and would not want to be unfaithful!
    The same applies the other way round.

    Does that make sense?

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    Hi Glo

    Given that half the world's population are of the opposite sex, do I not do well to try to understand and relate to them?
    How do I learn to understand and relate to them, if not through communicating with them?

    What I am trying to say is, that I don't think the opposite sex should be a 'closed book', some great mystery, which will only be revealed through contact with close relatives and finally through marriage.
    Islam is very simple. Its a complete way of life and everything is structured in a perfect manner. Allah has legislated things for us and we must follow Him. Everything is done for a reason. If you want to hve contact with a man for marriage have your wali (father) with you. If it's business wise and you are in close contact with him i.e alone with him in a room that is haram (forbidden) so take one of your Mahrams with you.

    Why all this? This is for your own benefit. To safe guard yourself from all falling into sins....how many couples have afairs?...how did it all start? Having a close contat with the oppsite gender. Just take a look at the soceity with live in.

    How much contact, for example, are Muslim women exposed to with Muslim men (In appropriate ways, of course)?
    I don't understand you question...If a Muslim is truly practsing Islam then there is no reason for her to have a close contact with a man whom is not her mahram....

    I somehow feel that if I could only speak to certain people whilst averting my eyes from them, and speaking softly, I would find it difficult to get to know them properly.
    Allah tells s (women) to lower our gaze and not to be soft in speech.

    I am not some loose women, I can assure you!
    I don't think of other men as potential sexual partners. And I conduct myself in a manner which gives that message to the outside world.
    I am a faithful wife, and have been for 20 years!
    And yet, my life would be so much poorer, if it wasn't for male friends, and conversations and an insight into the 'male world'.
    Do you honestly need to have male friends? Why not simply stick to females? Isn't that better for you so as to avoid fitnah (temptations) and falling into the trap of Satan? Honestly you don't need to have male friends to understand the male world!

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Mu'minah View Post
    Hi Glo

    Why all this? This is for your own benefit. To safe guard yourself from all falling into sins....how many couples have afairs?...how did it all start? Having a close contat with the oppsite gender. Just take a look at the soceity with live in.
    I understand what you are saying.
    But like I said, myself (and many other people!) have regular contact with people of the other gender, without having an endless string of affairs!
    Although to have an affair you need to have the opportunity to do so, first and foremost there needs to be an intrinsic desire to have an affair.


    I don't understand you question...If a Muslim is truly practsing Islam then there is no reason for her to have a close contact with a man whom is not her mahram....
    This demonstrates our cultural differences quite clearly.
    To me communication with people is a vital part of my daily life - that includes men and women, friends, relatives and strangers. They all have an important contribution to make in my life.


    Allah tells s (women) to lower our gaze and not to be soft in speech.
    Sorry, I misread.
    I suppose this means 'soft speech' as in seductive. I took it to mean 'soft speech' as in not assertive.


    Do you honestly need to have male friends? Why not simply stick to females? Isn't that better for you so as to avoid fitnah (temptations) and falling into the trap of Satan? Honestly you don't need to have male friends to understand the male world!
    See my above comment.
    I hugely value all my friends, men and women alike. I would hate to look at all male friends and aquaintances with suspicion, as if they all were potential sexual predators. Believe me, they are not!

    I am not obsessed with people's gender. I like to talk to people, hear their thoughts and views, share their worlds - they are people first, male and female second.
    I respect your views, but I don't agree with them.
    We have to agree to disagree. :thankyou:

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    MashAllah the issue has been addressed, I dont think there is a need to interact so openly with the opposite gender, Although I am a sinner of this and i have fallen into this trap i just think to avoid causin fitnah stick with your ukhtys InshAllah and btw Respect to Sister Muminah...MashAllah soo knowledgable for such a young chic Nuf lv n respect goin out 2 ya Peace n stay blessed x
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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    I understand what you are saying.
    But like I said, myself (and many other people!) have regular contact with people of the other gender, without having an endless string of affairs!
    Although to have an affair you need to have the opportunity to do so, first and foremost there needs to be an intrinsic desire to have an affair.

    This demonstrates our cultural differences quite clearly.
    To me communication with people is a vital part of my daily life - that includes men and women, friends, relatives and strangers. They all have an important contribution to make in my life.
    Not really...i don't think this is about culture differences..most certaintly in my culture men and women mix. Indeed communication is an important part in my cultue too however its my way of life (islam) which comes first.


    Allah says in the Qur'an: `It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, has indeed strayed in a plain error.' (33:36).

    Sorry, I misread.
    I suppose this means 'soft speech' as in seductive. I took it to mean 'soft speech' as in not assertive.
    Allah says in the Qur'an:`Be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire for adultery, etc) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.' (S33:32)

    Not soft in speech as in not been flirty....some women talk in a very seductive voice....

    See my above comment.
    I hugely value all my friends, men and women alike. I would hate to look at all male friends and aquaintances with suspicion, as if they all were potential sexual predators. Believe me, they are not!
    And i am sure that not all males are sexual predators (as you put it) but in Islam a Muslim must hear and obey. To be honest here if people were following the ways of Islam alot of issues such as rape, affairs, sexual harassment etc would stop. Don't you think?

    Let me just give you an example outside the topic.... Our Prophet Muhammad pbuh told us...“If you want to go to bed, perform ablution as that for prayer, then lie down on your right side, .....(Bukhari and Muslim) He pbuh didn't tell us why....still we Muslim follow him...but now scientist advice us to sleep on our right side due to blood circulation..My point is everything Allah and His Messager pbuh tell us to do is for our benefits.....

    The manner in which men and women should conduct with oneanother certainty their is benefits to it.


    I am not obsessed with people's gender. I like to talk to people, hear their thoughts and views, share their worlds - they are people first, male and female second.
    I'm sure not. But why must you speak with men...if you like talking to them or you want to be able to relate to them (know about the world of men) why not talk to your brother, father, husband, granfather etc

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    Thank you, Al-Mu'minah, for your patience to explain.

    I still don't agree and probably never will.

    Peace and blessings! :thankyou:
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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    I, like many Muslim women before me, work and socialize with men and women. I work in the office with men and women, I tutor men and women, I enjoy social gatherings and conversations with men and women. Some of the men I socialize with are Muslim; some are non-Muslim. The men that I socialize with know the limits and observe them wonderfully, and we keep our intercourse at the social level. Could I restrict myself to female friends only? It's possible, but I'd be a less wise and healthy person in the absence of several friends who care for me and challenge me to be a better person. There is a difference between modesty and segregation. Modesty is a curtain between the sexual and non-sexual parts of one's life. A certain amount of it is neccessary, and can be withdrawn when needed. Segregation is a wall between human beings. It is only needed to prevent danger, and is meant to be more or less permanent. I refuse to believe that morally sound people are an inherent danger to society, and must be put behind walls for the protection of and from other morally sound people. My brethren in faith and humanity are not morally deficient on account of their gender;likewise for my sistren in faith and humanity. Why, then, must we be alienated from each other and our own selves?
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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    Why is it that premarital sex is prominent in Christian countries such as America and Britain?

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    format_quote Originally Posted by primitivefuture View Post
    Why is it that premarital sex is prominent in Christian countries such as America and Britain?
    Religion plays no major part in people's lives at major western countries like Britain and America. Just look back 1400 years ago in the Catholic religion there was no such thing as a premarital relationship. If there was, the penalty was stoning, execution, or disclaiming.


    All it was courtship and then marriage. The same trend that happend back then applies to the Islamic ruling of courtship and marriage as a request.


    So, as you can see, in Islam, it is a complete way of life. There are directions for everything you do from using the restroom to going to sleep. All of these rules are for a reason. They apply to the same thing that Allah(swt) has prohibited or permitted what we do in this world in essence to the hereafter.
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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    Jazakallahu Khairan for the highly informational thread.
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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    Thank you,
    format_quote Originally Posted by NJUSA View Post
    I, like many Muslim women before me, work and socialize with men and women. I work in the office with men and women, I tutor men and women, I enjoy social gatherings and conversations with men and women. Some of the men I socialize with are Muslim; some are non-Muslim. The men that I socialize with know the limits and observe them wonderfully, and we keep our intercourse at the social level. Could I restrict myself to female friends only? It's possible, but I'd be a less wise and healthy person in the absence of several friends who care for me and challenge me to be a better person. There is a difference between modesty and segregation. Modesty is a curtain between the sexual and non-sexual parts of one's life. A certain amount of it is neccessary, and can be withdrawn when needed. Segregation is a wall between human beings. It is only needed to prevent danger, and is meant to be more or less permanent. I refuse to believe that morally sound people are an inherent danger to society, and must be put behind walls for the protection of and from other morally sound people. My brethren in faith and humanity are not morally deficient on account of their gender;likewise for my sistren in faith and humanity. Why, then, must we be alienated from each other and our own selves?
    Thank you, NJUSA, your post echoes so much how I feel about this. :thankyou:
    I highlighted the parts which spoke to me particularly! It is encouraging to hear such a view from a Muslim sister.

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    Well, it is a matter of faith for me. I was confused about whether free-mixing was haraam or not when I first started practicing. I actually never used to free-mix before I started practicing and I used to only have female friends. But after about a year of practicing I started that. But it never really felt right to me. The brother was practicing too, and i suspect he knew it was wrong too. But anyway I was really confused and I made du'a to Allah to let me see what was right. And a couple of days later I got my answer. So personally I know what the right answer is for me. Since then I have read up on the matter and I feel that I definitely made the right decision.

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    Originally Posted by NJUSA
    I, like many Muslim women before me, work and socialize with men and women. I work in the office with men and women, I tutor men and women, I enjoy social gatherings and conversations with men and women. Some of the men I socialize with are Muslim; some are non-Muslim. The men that I socialize with know the limits and observe them wonderfully, and we keep our intercourse at the social level. Could I restrict myself to female friends only? It's possible, but I'd be a less wise and healthy person in the absence of several friends who care for me and challenge me to be a better person. There is a difference between modesty and segregation. Modesty is a curtain between the sexual and non-sexual parts of one's life. A certain amount of it is neccessary, and can be withdrawn when needed. Segregation is a wall between human beings. It is only needed to prevent danger, and is meant to be more or less permanent. I refuse to believe that morally sound people are an inherent danger to society, and must be put behind walls for the protection of and from other morally sound people. My brethren in faith and humanity are not morally deficient on account of their gender;likewise for my sistren in faith and humanity. Why, then, must we be alienated from each other and our own selves?
    Ok so you say all this....but what does Islam say? I think we all know the answer to that and have gone through it. So I'll just leave it at that.

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed View Post
    But anyway I was really confused and I made du'a to Allah to let me see what was right. And a couple of days later I got my answer. So personally I know what the right answer is for me. Since then I have read up on the matter and I feel that I definitely made the right decision.
    It's interesting that you say that.
    Because from what I have learned on this board over the past few weeks, it seems to me that Islam leaves only little room for personal interpretation like that.
    It really sounds to me that you prayed to God directly for guidance and answers, and he provided those for you.
    That sounds great, but are you putting you personal relationship with God before Islamic teachings (as I understand them from previous posters)? And is that acceptable in Islam?

    I hope you understand that I am not criticising you! I am just trying to explore how your views fit in with the views of others here.

    Looking forward to hearing from you again! :thankyou:

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    Lol don't worry. No, I didn't know what the islamic ruling was. I didn't know that much about Islam at that time, so I made du'a. And afterwards I found out that i made the right decision. In case you're all wondering... i stopped hanging around with him!

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    alhamdu lillah Allah guided you-may He always keep u guided, ameen!

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    Ameen sis!

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Mu'minah View Post
    Ok so you say all this....but what does Islam say? I think we all know the answer to that and have gone through it. So I'll just leave it at that.
    The Prophet (SAWS) and his companions (RA) conducted intergender commercial, religious, and social transactions. They did business, worshipped, and visited with one another. I know what people today say what "Islam says", but it doesn't entirely jibe with what the early Madinan community's praxis. For those who wish to part from the Madinan paradigm, that's their choice, but they lack moral authority to force it on others- which is an authority that lies within the Divine Prerogative.
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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed View Post
    Lol don't worry. No, I didn't know what the islamic ruling was. I didn't know that much about Islam at that time, so I made du'a. And afterwards I found out that i made the right decision. In case you're all wondering... i stopped hanging around with him!
    I think I had a senior moment then ...
    Firstly I thought you were somebody else,
    secondly I thought you were saying God told you it was okay to meet with this guy.
    Got confused there ...

    I still thing people are talking about two different things here.
    Meeting secretly with a man, with the potential risk of the meeting developing into a physical relationship may be one thing - having contact with men in a professional or polite social context is another! Isn't it ????

    What if as a woman I go into a shop, and the only person around is the man behind the counter? Am I supposed to leave the shop again? Or not be out shopping alone in the first place?? To what extreme are you supposed to take this?

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    Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes

    If there's a man at the behind the counter then theres no way you can help that can you? As long as you enter the shop with the intention of just getting your stuff and leaving. But if i saw that there is only one man behind the counter, and i'll be the only one in the shop with him, I'll leave. You dont know what could happen.

    Also the Sahabah used to do business, sell goods, and i'm sure when you sell you dont sell to women only or women only. Mixing here means without a solid reason, just for fun, just for chat, or oh i didnt see him for soooo long and we used to be co workers yadda yadda. It'll be better if you can avoid mixing totally though. But some times its just not possible i guess..like on the bus..lol.


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