Saying "Sadaq Allaahul-'Adtheem"

also there is a hadiths in bukhari & muslim, where RasoolAllah (saw) tels a sahaba 2 recite some surahs of d Quran to him, and the sahaba begins to read, but he starts cryin cos of the power of the verses, and then RasoolAllah (saw) says to him stop stop? so RasoolAllah (saw) didnt say sadaqallah hul adheem, nor did d sahaba!!

also we dnt gota testify Allah (swt) is the sadiq,after readin the Quran, we know he is sadiq, and we can tesitify dat @ anytime & any situation, but 2 do it rite afta readin d quran is yesh definately a innovation

Asallam alykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

I would Stricly advice you to say something good or to keep silent!!
If talking is from silver the silence if from Gold!

BarakhaAllaah feekum

Wasallam alykum.

format_quote Originally Posted by Isma'el

i know they are big scholars..may alllah be pleased with them.....
correct me if am wrong but they are all salafi scholars, which then will oviously have the same opinion.?

ok ok lets assume they're not salafi..... suppose bill gates came upto you and told you "where did u get sadaqallahul-'3atheem from"

what are you going to say? my sufi shaykh so and so said? or my dad said?

or are you going to say the prophet said so and so? and if the answer to the last qusetion is yes, where did he say that u should say sadaqallahu atheem?

salam

ibn Umar radhiallahu anhu said:

Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good

plus the salaf too respected the Quraan. if it was truly a good thing would they too not have done it?

format_quote Originally Posted by Isma'el

i presume you are a salafi

Please stop the labelling.

Saying "Sadaq Allaahul-'Adtheem" ..
why is it a bad thing to say it.?

one is prasing Allah by saying it,,just because the prophet PBUH ddnt say it dosent mean we cant say it...

Islam is like a painting. It is complete. The artist makes the painting as he wants. You dont go up to a painting and try to add and remove things because that would destroy the original painting.

The Prophet has told us what will take us to Jannah and has warned us from what will take us to the Fire.

Everything has been set out for us. There is no need for us to innovate. There are still alot of Sunnahs that we dont follow. Lets try following them.

its a good pratice, its like saying allahu akbar whenever one feels like it.

ok if it was a bad meaning then ofcourse one shouldent say it..

There is no such thing as a 'good innovation'

- A good intention on the part of the one who makes the mistake does not mean that he should not be rebuked

'Amr ibn Yahya said: "I heard my father narrating from his father who said: 'We were at the door of 'Abd-Allaah ibn Mas'ood before the early morning prayer. When he came out we walked with him to the mosque. Abu Moosa al-Ash'ari came up to us and said, "Did Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan come out to you yet?" We said, "No." He sat down with us until [Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan] came out. When he came out, we all stood up to greet him, and Abu Moosa said to him: "O Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan, earlier I saw in the mosque something that I have never seen before, but it seems good, al-hamdu Lillaah." He said, "And what was it?" He said, "if you live, you will see it. I saw people in the mosque sitting in circles waiting for the prayer. In every circle there was a man, and they had pebbles in their hands. He would say, 'Say Allaahu akbar one hundred times,' and they would say Allaahu akbar one hundred times; then he would say, 'Say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah one hundred times,' and they would say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah one hundred times; then he would say, 'Say Subhaan Allaah one hundred times,' and they would say Subhaan Allaah one hundred times.' He asked, 'What did you say to them?' He said, 'I did not say anything to them; I was waiting to see what your opinion would be and what you would tell me to do.' He said, 'Why did you not tell them to count their bad deeds and guarantee them that nothing of their good deeds would be wasted?' Then he left, and we went with him, until he reached one of those circles. He stood over them and said, 'What is this I see you doing?' They said, 'O Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan, these are pebbles we are using to count our takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh.' He said, 'Count your bad deeds, and I guarantee that nothing of your good deeds will be wasted. Woe to you, O ummah of Muhammad, how quickly you are getting destroyed! The Companions of your Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) are still alive, his garment is not yet worn out and his vessels are not yet broken. By the One in Whose hand is my soul, either you are following a way that is more guided than that of Muhammad or you have opened the door of misguidance!' They said, 'By Allaah, O Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan, we only wanted to do good.' He said, 'How many of those who wanted to do good failed to achieve it! The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that people recite Qur'aan and it does not go any further than their throats. By Allaah, I do not know, maybe most of them are people like you.' Then he turned away from them. 'Amr ibn Salamah said, 'I saw most of the members of those circles fighting alongside the Khawaarij on the day of Nahrawaan.'"

(Reported by al-Daarimi, al-Sunan, no. 210, ed. by 'Abd-Allaah Haashim al-Yamaani. Al-Albaani classed its isnaad as saheeh in al-Silsilat al-Saheehah under hadeeth no. 2005. See Majma' al-Zawaa'id by al-Haythami, 1/181).

Ther lots of inovation in religion ....its like saying u cant have loud speakers in a masjid...lol..

The Shari definition of Innovation is anything brought into the religion that is taken as a part of the religion which the Prophet did not do. Technological advancements are not regarded as innovations because they are not something religious.

Sadaqallaahul-adheem after recital of the Qur'aan is done as an adab (etiquette) of recital. It is not done as a Sunnah or Mustahabb of Fardh

But it is so widespread now that it has become a part of the religion and it was not something the Prophet did. Therefore it is regarded an innovation.

Every literally dosent mean everthing..?

so loud speaker in a masjid is a inovation, shall i tell our imam to chuck it out the window '' beacuse u say its a inovation"..

See above reply.

yeh every bad innovation

There is no such thing as good innovation or bad innovation. An innovation is an innovation. See above reply.

format_quote Originally Posted by Isma'el

as stated above WHY ON EARTH ARE U SO CONCERNED ABOUT BI'DAH..
when one should be thinking about halal n haram...

Because it is a major issue. And as the hadith says, innovations are rejected. You dont get any reward for it. And so many people are under its trap. Everytime a Bidah comes out, a Sunnah is killed. People care about doing their innovations yet they dont follow the basics of Islam. You tell me which of the two is better?

please answer this..
is it a major sin to say "Sadaq Allaahul-'Adtheem".???

The issue wasnt saying it. The issue was saying it after reciting Quran. That is the innovation - something that the Prophet did not do. Saying it at any other time is not an innovation.

format_quote Originally Posted by Isma'el

you ddnt get my drift

Every innovation is misguidance,

"literal" meaning the above hadith you all ways quote

Even if some one Saying "Sadaq Allaahul-'Adtheem" after reciting the Qur'an
is it a major sin..?

Do you know better than Allah's Messenger that you would do something he himself did not do? Do you know better then his Companions when they did not do it? Ask yourself that.

Did you even read my reply? An innovation is an innovation. It is something that is not needed. Read this, and would consider what the people sitting in the Masjid doing as 'good' but the Companion of the Prophet saw through it and warned them against it. Why? becauase it was an innovation. Even if it could be regarded as something good.

- A good intention on the part of the one who makes the mistake does not mean that he should not be rebuked

'Amr ibn Yahya said: "I heard my father narrating from his father who said: 'We were at the door of 'Abd-Allaah ibn Mas'ood before the early morning prayer. When he came out we walked with him to the mosque. Abu Moosa al-Ash'ari came up to us and said, "Did Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan come out to you yet?" We said, "No." He sat down with us until [Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan] came out. When he came out, we all stood up to greet him, and Abu Moosa said to him: "O Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan, earlier I saw in the mosque something that I have never seen before, but it seems good, al-hamdu Lillaah." He said, "And what was it?" He said, "if you live, you will see it. I saw people in the mosque sitting in circles waiting for the prayer. In every circle there was a man, and they had pebbles in their hands. He would say, 'Say Allaahu akbar one hundred times,' and they would say Allaahu akbar one hundred times; then he would say, 'Say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah one hundred times,' and they would say Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah one hundred times; then he would say, 'Say Subhaan Allaah one hundred times,' and they would say Subhaan Allaah one hundred times.' He asked, 'What did you say to them?' He said, 'I did not say anything to them; I was waiting to see what your opinion would be and what you would tell me to do.' He said, 'Why did you not tell them to count their bad deeds and guarantee them that nothing of their good deeds would be wasted?' Then he left, and we went with him, until he reached one of those circles. He stood over them and said, 'What is this I see you doing?' They said, 'O Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan, these are pebbles we are using to count our takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh.' He said, 'Count your bad deeds, and I guarantee that nothing of your good deeds will be wasted. Woe to you, O ummah of Muhammad, how quickly you are getting destroyed! The Companions of your Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) are still alive, his garment is not yet worn out and his vessels are not yet broken. By the One in Whose hand is my soul, either you are following a way that is more guided than that of Muhammad or you have opened the door of misguidance!' They said, 'By Allaah, O Abu 'Abd al-Rahmaan, we only wanted to do good.' He said, 'How many of those who wanted to do good failed to achieve it! The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that people recite Qur'aan and it does not go any further than their throats. By Allaah, I do not know, maybe most of them are people like you.' Then he turned away from them. 'Amr ibn Salamah said, 'I saw most of the members of those circles fighting alongside the Khawaarij on the day of Nahrawaan.'"

(Reported by al-Daarimi, al-Sunan, no. 210, ed. by 'Abd-Allaah Haashim al-Yamaani. Al-Albaani classed its isnaad as saheeh in al-Silsilat al-Saheehah under hadeeth no. 2005. See Majma' al-Zawaa'id by al-Haythami, 1/181).

Akhee sort your self out please

The Brother already gave good strong evidence to you and you still reject it?

See this is another way that the Shaytaan traps the Muslims, in a way that he makes Bid3ah seem so lovely and beautiful, in the way that he makes the Muslims think " Oh but I am only doing something to get closer to Allah "
I recall reading a book and in it it said that Bid3ah can be more dangerous than the most major of sins, Because when a person is doing a major sin, or any sin for that matter, he is in most cases aware of this sin and Insha'allah will repent for this sin he did. But not in the cases of Bid3ah because he is doing Bid3ah whilst thinking that he is upon something good but actually he is NOT.


If there was any way to get closer to Allah, wouldn't the Prophet peace be upon him and his Companions have done it before us? After all weren't they the Best people on the Earth after Prophet Muhammad?

Bid3ah IS serious, because with it we are adding things into are Deen, and when we add things into our Deen, it is as if we are saying that it is incomplete. Allah says " Today I have perfected your Religion"

You may say it's a small thing, But dont large things generate from small things? Remember Rasulullah said " Do not take small sins lightly, an example for small sins is like a group of people gathering wood for a fire, each person takes a twig and by the time the twigs are gathered, it has become fuel for a large fire " ( The hadeeth is in it's meaning only)

So that's why we should be careful about this supposedly "small" matters, because eventually they develop into large matters.

A Bid3ah is a Bid3ah Akhee........no matter how big or small. There is no such thing as Good or Bad Bid3ah. Take the truth from whoever it comes from and dont discriminate between Salafi or not Salafi. The truth is the truth.

mashaAllah...brother Ahmed and sis Amira are right...
and Allah says in the qur'aan "wa maa aatakukumu rrasuulu fakhudhuuhu wa ma nahaakum 3anhu fantahuu"

"and take what the messenger has brought to you, and whatever he has prohibited you from abstain from it..."

and the prophet alayhi salatu wassalaam says from hadeeth aisha may Allah be pleased with her "man a7datha fee amrinaa hadhaa ma laysa minhu fahuwa radd"
whoever brings something new into our affairs, thats not from it, then it is rejected, muslim.
also akhee Allah says in the qur'aan "wa man asdaqu min Allahi qeela" suratu nisaa,
no 3aalim has mentioned in tafseer (kibaar 3ulamaa) to say sadaqa Allahul 3adheem...
and like our brother Ahmed said, if it was meant for us to say it, surely the prophet would have ordered us to do so, or would have leaned towards its isti7baab, preference, and surely he would have done it himself, or the companions radhuiyaAllahu 3anhum,
Allah says in the qur'aan "alyawma akmaltu lakum deenakum..."
today i have completed your deen for you... (aali 3imraan)
Alhamdulillah...akhee lets try to keep to the book of Allah and the sunnah of his messenger peace and blessings be upon him....

wassalaam.