Question: Me and my wife go out to the market to buy necessary items for her or the house, and she comes out with me completely covered, and all praise is due to Allaah (alone), and she does not speak to any of the traders (shop owners and assistants). So is there any sin in her coming out (like this) or not? (Please) advise me.
Response: There is no harm in a woman going out to buy necessary items from the market if she has no-one who is able to do this on her behalf, so long as she is completely covered and remains away from mixing with the men and unnecessarily talking to them. And if she has a man from amongst her mahrams with her, then that is more complete and better.
However, if there is someone who can buy these necessary items on her behalf, then there is no need for her to go out for that which exists therein of fitnah and danger, especially in this day and age in which fitnah has increased and humility and mutual respect has decreased - except upon those whom Allaah has shown Mercy to. So it is obligatory for a woman to remain in her home as much as she is able to, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:
{And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance…}, Soorah al-Ahzaab, Aayah 33
Shaykh Ibn Fowzaan
al-Muntaqaa min Fataawa Shaykh Saalih al-Fowzaan - Volume 3, Page 294, Fatwa No.430
In the Name of Allaah, the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy. By the time! Verily mankind is at loss – except for those who believe and perform righteous deeds, and advise one another towards the truth and advise one another towards patience.’
How would you like it if someone told you not to get out the house unless it's for a reason....And no! You can't go to anybody's house, or abroad for a vacation....You might get influenced by some girl......you MIGHT that's why best not to take the risk...stay at home....Die....
if a woman wants a career outside the home they need to plan on one that is acceptable. traveling without a mahram is unacceptable.
Career outside the home is unacceptable? So to go drive from home to work in your hometown is unacceptable without a Mahram?
Rubbish
Like how the Brother before me said " Ad Deenu Yusr " Religion is Easy
Have you not heard the Hadeeth " Yassiru Wa laa Tu3assiru" Make things easy and do not make things difficult?
Is it required for a lady to have a mahram just to leave her house??.
Of course not.
Of course if she wants to have a mahram with her for sake of safety and all, then Masha'allah!! But to say it's Haram to leave home without a mahram???? NO way.
Can you imagine how difficult life would be if it was like that Brother? Not only would the woman feel caged up, but it would also be a headache for the man!! Who wants the headache of having to accompany his mother/sister/wife/daughter every? lol....i'm sure you have more things in your life to do than that lol...
No, lets not make things difficult on ourselves Insha'allah.....Lets not be extreme...Dont take things out of proportion.
Career outside the home is unacceptable? So to go drive from home to work in your hometown is unacceptable without a Mahram?
Rubbish
Like how the Brother before me said " Ad Deenu Yusr " Religion is Easy
Have you not heard the Hadeeth " Yassiru Wa laa Tu3assiru" Make things easy and do not make things difficult?
Is it required for a lady to have a mahram just to leave her house??.
Of course not.
Of course if she wants to have a mahram with her for sake of safety and all, then Masha'allah!! But to say it's Haram to leave home without a mahram???? NO way.
Can you imagine how difficult life would be if it was like that Brother? Not only would the woman feel caged up, but it would also be a headache for the man!! Who wants the headache of having to accompany his mother/sister/wife/daughter every? lol....i'm sure you have more things in your life to do than that lol...
No, lets not make things difficult on ourselves Insha'allah.....Lets not be extreme...Dont take things out of proportion.
hmmm...i'd liked to add ...at-tashadudd haraam!! ..extremism is haraam...
how d'you think khadeejah radiyallaahu 3anhu made her buissness...was she locked up @ home selling things behind the kicthen shelf??
and women leaving their houses is allowed in the deen..even at night...a hadeeth says ..when the prophet salalaahu 3alayhi wasallam was in i3tikaaf his wives would come to visit him!!..and then he'd take them back to their houses!!
and in another hadeeth when ibnu 3umar saw sawdah radiyallahu 3anhaa in the dareeq/street he told to go back...so when the she went to the Prophet salalaahu 3alayhi wasallam he said: laqad udina lakunna an takhrujna li'hawaaijikunna!!....verily you have been granted permission to go out for your own purposes...(saheeh)
if a woman wants a career outside the home they need to plan on one that is acceptable. traveling without a mahram is unacceptable.
My career is very acceptable but will most likely require travelling. My husband, if he gets the career he wants, will also be travelling to various places that are not safe for me to go. So I should just give up everything I am working so hard for and a career goal I have had since childhood?!?! I think not...plus the work we both plan to do inshaAllah will be beneficial to society...
I would advice the mods to close down this thread before the fithna becomes more . and qil and qal talks ....Allaahu mustaan!
Allaah knows best.
wasallam alykum
In the Name of Allaah, the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy. By the time! Verily mankind is at loss – except for those who believe and perform righteous deeds, and advise one another towards the truth and advise one another towards patience.’
hmmm...i'd liked to add ...at-tashadudd haraam!! ..extremism is haraam...
how d'you think khadeejah radiyallaahu 3anhu made her buissness...was she locked up @ home selling things behind the kicthen shelf??
and women leaving their houses is allowed in the deen..even at night...a hadeeth says ..when the prophet salalaahu 3alayhi wasallam was in i3tikaaf his wives would come to visit him!!..and then he'd take them back to their houses!!
and in another hadeeth when ibnu 3umar saw sawdah radiyallahu 3anhaa in the dareeq/street he told to go back...so when the she went to the Prophet salalaahu 3alayhi wasallam he said: laqad udina lakunna an takhrujna li'hawaaijikunna!!....verily you have been granted permission to go out for your own purposes...(saheeh)
Personally, I'm not one to go shooping much..i get a head ache..:
But..it is alright to carry on with studies right? Coz there is never a limit to learning things right?..just wondering..
Not to just accpet any fatwah from any old extremeist sheikh , as well as, learning to respect women for what they really are.....
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whos the *any old extremist sheikh* you are referring to?
Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed.
Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar
when Allah wants to address ALL believing women in the Qur'an, Allah does not hesitate to do so, eg. in the famous women's dress verse:
..... In-fact, the very previous verse is the verse which tells us that the Prophet's wives are different from other believing women.
salams
poor you why did your account get disabled? Btw Ahmeds reply to you is very good.... too bad we cant continue our PM/discussion..
anyway, that didn't refute anything i said about ifk and it's reveletion specialy for aisha, and for example revelation of the verses in defence of Khawlah (the companion who complained about her husband) in surat al-Mujadalah...
as for the rest of you guys... lets get back to topic, this isn't a thread about tertiary education.
I think one big problem is that beacuse we live in unislamic societies, people are remodelling and "re-inventing" fiqh to suit their current situation... which unfortunately isn't a very good thing but is OK because of the necessity, the problem is that it creates alot of argument and all that..
anyway... i think (or hope) we all agree that going out for no reason just to hangaround loosely on the street with nothing to do isn't from the characteristic of a believer (infact i think there's a hadith where the prophet repremanded some of hsi companions from just sitting on the street for no reason chatting away - and they where males-).... Based on the hadith amirah said, going out for a reason is OK and it proves that women aren't locked away in their homes (even the word 'wa-qarna' in that verse has a really neat meaning.. kinda like 'settle'.. rather than 'pinurself there')
Going out for shopping? If she's happy with doing that and she sticks to islamig rules,fine...
just remember the two keywords: 1. Priorities 2. Responsibilities.
And be happy with the role that asigned each gender. Really it's disgusting how much people sulk and complain and argue over nothing.
Last edited by lolwatever; 08-10-2006 at 08:58 PM.
Question: Me and my wife go out to the market to buy necessary items for her or the house, and she comes out with me completely covered, and all praise is due to Allaah (alone), and she does not speak to any of the traders (shop owners and ***istants). So is there any sin in her coming out (like this) or not? (Please) advise me.
Response: There is no harm in a woman going out to buy necessary items from the market if she has no-one who is able to do this on her behalf, so long as she is completely covered and remains away from mixing with the men and unnecessarily talking to them. And if she has a man from amongst her mahrams with her, then that is more complete and better.
However, if there is someone who can buy these necessary items on her behalf, then there is no need for her to go out for that which exists therein of fitnah and danger, especially in this day and age in which fitnah has increased and humility and mutual respect has decreased - except upon those whom Allaah has shown Mercy to. So it is obligatory for a woman to remain in her home as much as she is able to, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:
{And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance…}, Soorah al-Ahzaab, Aayah 33
Shaykh Ibn Fowzaan
al-Muntaqaa min Fataawa Shaykh Saalih al-Fowzaan - Volume 3, Page 294, Fatwa No.430
Masha Allah I read this fatwa, and then I looked this room almost have 7 pages But I saw the fatawa just simple, masha Allah. And its clear that the women may go out as long its necessary, like when they wanna buy something and all. And IF they dont need to go out then the best is to stay at home, cause more often they go out of the house then more chances to fitnah, especially these times of days when fitnah are everywhere and evrytime masha Allah. So theres a level of iman here I suppose
The woman who afraid Allah most (the highest level) then she will not go out of her house except if she feel she has to, and she will try to stay away from fitnah. And she will stay at her house and doing something manfaat for her. If she need something then she will ask someone to buy them, or she go with her mahram. And if she doesnt have mahram then she will go by her self ONLY when she feel theres no other way to do except this, and she will lower her gaze and go home immediately after she finish and get what she need.
Also there are lot of muslimah who are a little bit loose, that they go everywhere "alone" (although still in town and all covered up) just for something thats actually unnecessary, or hanging around with friends and go to their house alone with a bus, or go somewhere just because she doesnt like to always stay at home. Maybe she bored to stay at home and wanna go around the town just for pleasure. And she walk out of her house without a feeling afraid of fitnah. Shes taking everything lightly.
And the worse girl is them who go everywhere as she wish alone, doesnt cover up, and hate to stay at home.
And women who wanna have vacation, going to somewhere beautiful maybe, then they should take her mahram, its the best. Her sisters for example, and more friends is better. Cause no human wanna locked up in the house right, and always do the same thing. They need some refreshment once in a time. But still its best not doing it often, and if wanna take vacation then go with family, or friends with one mahram with her. And if they go with friends, dont forget to give good naseehahs (advices) to eachother in haq and remind eachother from sins while the travelling, and stay away from fitnah and haram things.
I agree we may not extreme, but also I dont agree if its too loose. And the right Islam is mutawasith (in the middle), dont be too loose and dont be to shadeed. Take everything according to Islam and its proportion. Wabillahit taufiq
Last edited by Dhulqarnaeen; 08-11-2006 at 08:10 PM.
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Woe unto the repudiators on that day!
so what, a woman who goes on a bus by herself, or goes to visit her friend is loose? I'd hate to see what you deem as ****ty. Dare i say going on a train alone possiably? Ooh, maybe even going out for some halal takeway!
i wonder what 'islamic' opinion will be thrown up next. Regulations on how to breathe maybe, that will ensure that the male population dont loose all senses and fit into a sexual frenzy.
P.s Well done bro Iqram for being the only sane minded male in this thread and for not trashing us sisters and making offensive, sweeping generalisations as so many of our brothers love to do.
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*sniff* that was beautiful 
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I read this fatwa, and then I looked this room almost have 7 pages 
But I saw the fatawa just simple, masha Allah. And its clear that the women may go out as long its necessary, like when they wanna buy something and all. And IF they dont need to go out then the best is to stay at home, cause more often they go out of the house then more chances to fitnah, especially these times of days when fitnah are everywhere and evrytime masha Allah. So theres a level of iman here I suppose 
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