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    Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

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    The Ruling of Al-Misbahah (Thikr beads)

    Ash-Shaikh Muhammad Naasir ud-Deen Al-Albaanee said in As-Silsilah Adh-Dha’eefah (1/110) with his checking of the hadeeth “What a wonderful reminder the subhah (thikr beads) are.” (A fabricated hadeeth):
    Then, verily the hadeeth, in reference to its meaning, is false according to me for reasons:

    The first: That the subhah (thikr beads) is an innovation that did not exist in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam). It was only introduced after him (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam), so how could it be thought that he encouraged his companions to do a matter that they did not even know (i.e. thikr beads were not known to them)? And the proof regarding what I have mentioned is what Ibn Wadhdhaah reported in “Al-Bida’ wan-Nahy ‘anhaa” (Innovations and the Prohibition of them), on the authority of As-Salt bin Bahraam that he said, “Ibn Mas’ood passed by a woman who had a tasbeeh (string of beads) with her that she was using to glorify Allaah, so he cut it and threw it away. Then he passed by a man who was glorifying Allaah using pebbles so he kicked them with his foot, then said, ‘Indeed you all have went ahead (of the companions), you have wrongfully engaged in an innovation, and indeed you have overcome the companions of Muhammad (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) in knowledge.’” And the chain of narrators of this narration is authentic (Saheeh) back to As-Salt, and he is reliable from the followers of the successors (Atbaa’ ut-Taabi’een, third generation).
    The second: That it opposes his (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) guidance. ‘Abdullaah bin ‘Amr said, “I saw the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) counting the glorification of Allaah with his right hand.”

    And Al-Albaanee also said (1/117): And if there was nothing in the thikr beads other than one evil, and it is that it has overcome the Sunnah of counting with the fingers or it almost has – this is along with their agreement that the fingers are better – then this would be sufficient (as an evil). For verily it is rare that I see an old man counting the glorification of Allaah on his fingers!

    Then, verily the people have become specialized in inventing things along with this innovation. So you will see some of those who attribute themselves to one of the Soofee paths hanging thikr beads around his neck! And some of them count (the remembrance of Allaah) while they are speaking to you or listening to you talk! And the last thing that my eye fell upon from that some days ago was that I saw a man on an ordinary bicycle riding along on it on some roads crowded with people, and in one of his hands was some thikr beads! So they try to show to the people that they are not heedless of the remembrance of Allaah even for the blinking of an eye. And often times this innovation is the cause of losing the performance of that which is obligatory, for indeed it has happened to me repeatedly – and likewise to others besides me – that I have given the greeting of Salaam (peace) to one of these people, so he responds to the greeting by waving without saying the Salaam. And the harms of this innovation cannot be counted, so how beautiful is the statement of the poet:

    “And every good is in following those who went before (salafa),
    and every evil is in the innovating of those who came after (khalafa).”


    Source: As-Silsilah Adh-Dha’eefah, Vol. 1, no. 110, and no. 117
    http://www.alalbany.net/misc/misc002.php

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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    what is the definition of bida'a?
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    The people who cry about freedom are slaves to their own desires. I am a slave of my Exalted and Merciful Rabb, Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Alhamdulillah

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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    As Salaamu ALaykum,

    Beneficial post Mu'minah!!

    what is the definition of bida'a?
    Read Here InshaAllah

    Hope that Helps!

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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    Salam..
    ur article is nice but i dun agree wid this--->

    “And every good is in following those who went before (salafa),
    and every evil is in the innovating of those who came after (khalafa).”
    Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    "O Muslims! If anyone among you worshipped Ramadan, then know that Ramadan is dead. But those of you who worshipped Allah, then know that Allah lives and will never die. Indeed Allah created Ramadan and He also, in truth, created Shawaal, Dhul Qidah, Dhul Hijjah, and all the rest of the Months..."

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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    As Salaamu Alaykum,

    ur article is nice but i dun agree wid this

    “And every good is in following those who went before (salafa),
    and every evil is in the innovating of those who came after (khalafa).”
    Its a famous poem by one of the Ulamaah,

    which part don't you agree with sis?

    I think it's a great sayin' and i like this poem, its arabic version goes:

    كل خير في اتباع من سلف ***وكل شر ابتداع من خلف

    It's saying that :
    Good is in following those who were before us (the sahaabah and the taa'bi'iyyeen)

    And that which is evil is Following the Innovations of those who came after.
    Last edited by amirah_87; 01-13-2007 at 10:20 PM.

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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    interesting post, moujahid.
    i think the subject of bid'ah is very controversial.
    Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

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    question authority
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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion



    We? I'm sorry but who in this thread is jumping around and is in need of calming their "young over-enthusiastic blood"?


    There is no need to be so defensive. Some scholars say it is bid'ah, while others do not.

    You do not have to agree that it is bid'ah, but you should respect that there are many scholars out there who (rightly ) believe it is.


    We define bid'ah as:

    Linguistically bid'ah (innovation) means 'a newly invented matter'. The Sharee'ah definition of bid'ah is: "A newly invented way [beliefs or action] in the religion, in imitation of the Sharee'ah (prescribed Law), by which nearness to Allaah is sought, [but] not being supported by any authentic proof - neither in its foundations, nor in the manner in which it is performed." Al-I'tisaam of ash-Shaatibee (1/37).

    I notice you haven't defined it yourself? Do you disagree with this definition and if so, why?

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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    This is obviously a case in which there is a difference of opinion, and is SO trivial it isn't really worth debating about. I'll just stick to the safe side and not use one... never used them anyway.
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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah View Post
    I'll just stick to the safe side and not use one... never used them anyway.


    I think this would be the wisest decision!

    Personally I don't like prayer beads because they can easily lead to riyaa, if used in public. Which I have seen many do. And wouldn't it be better to use the hands that Allah Ta'ala blessed us with?

    Bid'a is something very dangerous, so it is advised to stay far away from matters such as these. After all, we should replace that which is not doubtful with that which is not doubtful. In this case, just use your hands for dhikr.


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    Re: Thikr beads Al-Imaam Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) discussion

    Assalaamu aliakum

    I posted this thread so people can take benefit not play fatwa bashing. Either take it or leave it but do not CRITICISE righteous ‘ulimah because your desire does not fit with their fatwah.

    Last edited by Umm Yoosuf; 01-16-2007 at 01:38 PM.


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