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I need proof from The Noble Quran that music is haraam. (OP)
I repeatedly debated with maternal grandfather about what I read in my earlier thread about music and he says that the Internet is flooded with catholics and he needs further proof from The Noble Quran. As this issue holds a lot of meaning to me, I need to clear my doughts as this is very important.
At the end of the day, there is proof from the Qur'an that music is haraam via interpretations of reliable scholars, and if you do not want to accept that, then that is your loss.
Well.... I have left music 60% and for that I give Thanks To Allah! Its just my grandfather's views and I very strongly look up to him as a modern voice!
format_quote Originally Posted by hassaanejaz
- VERY good question.
Brothers and sisters........so......most of us are just blindly following what we get on the internet, why don't all go, rest, and do some research!
lol a question we answeredformat_quote Originally Posted by Emperor
- VERY good question.
format_quote Originally Posted by hassaanejaz
Mashallaah.
Verily it is Allaah who has blessed your uncle with an amazing voice, so powerful and swift I'm sure that you feel compelled to reside with his idea that Music is permissible. However, Allaah's blessings should not be taken for granted and used for haram means. I think we have established that music is not permissible, whether an individual choses to take heed or not is not upto us, that is the decree of Allaah.
Your uncle can use his voice for beneficial means, he can sing nasheeds (excluding the use of music) and above all he can recite the Qur'an. I do not know what is more sweet to the ear and moving to the heart than the voice of a believer recitating the Qur'an eloquently, surely Allaah has blessed your uncle with a good voice and he can take this opportunity to gain ajar. Indeed he may be a modern voice and so show him that his voice should not be wasted on a matter than can harm him. Imagine if your uncle persued the path to memorise the Qur'an (if he is not already a hafid) and dedicated his life to filling the hearts of Muslims with Qur'an, what is more rewarding and blissful than this? I hope everything works out for the best Inshallaah.
i havnt really studied much in2 the topic , but , when i was a part of some other forums, i came across a similar thread ...
what i learnt there , is dat .. music which does not invovle ne seductive , abusive or such other wrds is ok , and music just 2 calm the mind is rite ... and perhaps , its obvious u cant see the music videos of this age , just coz of the nudity they show in ... im not sure , but even some rational thinking wud lead 2 the same conclusion !!!
allah knows the best ,
pls correct if i am wrong
yeah.....thats what I think.
Anyways. I read somewhere that Allaah(swt) has said that if a thing is not clear whether it is haraam or halal you should follow the easier way.
format_quote Originally Posted by hassaanejaz
Do you have dalil? Which Ayah says that?
I think you should take a look at this excellent post:
http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...tml#post682192
format_quote Originally Posted by hassaanejaz
Careful now, we don't want to worship our desires.
''The halal is clear and the haram is clear, but between the two are matters which are doubtful to many people. Therefore, whoever avoids these doubtful matters clears himself in regards to his religion and honour and is thereby safe, but he who falls into doubtful matters falls into haram. [He is like] a shepherd grazing his sheep at the edge of a sanctuary, about to cross over the boundary. Truly, every king has a sanctuary, and truly Allah's sanctuary is His prohibitions.'' [Bukhari & Muslim]
Please I beg you brothers and sisters to research on this topic and not blindly follow what is said. And, does the Hanafi school forbid music?
Brother, how blind dyou have to be? Lots of people have given EVIDENCE from QUR'AN as backup that music is haraam. Why then, can u not accept that?!
All 4 schools forbid it.And, does the Hanafi school forbid music?
Sorry for being so harsh but the evidence is so clear.
bro i already addressed this ages before,format_quote Originally Posted by hassaanejaz
subhanAllah bro i know its amazing how we've been blindly following our desires all this time but the truth is that music is haram, so is shaving!
format_quote Originally Posted by hassaanejazImam Abu Haneefah(*108) has perhaps the harshest view of the four famous Imams of jurisprudence. His school of thought is the strictest, for he detested singing and considered it sinful. As for his disciples, they have explicitly confirmed the prohibition of listening to all musical amusements and pastimes, including wind instruments (mazaameer),(*109) all types of tambourines, hand drums (dufoof)(*110) and even the striking of sticks(al-qadeeb). They have asserted that such actions constitute disobedience to Allah and that the performer of such action is sinful, therefore necessitating rejection of his testimony.(*111) They have further stated that it is incumbent upon the Muslim to struggle to avoid listening to such things, even if he were passing by or stationed near them (without any willful intention). Abu Haneefah's closest disciple, Abu Yoosuf, stated that if the sound of musical instruments (ma'aazif) and amusements (malaahi) were heard coming from a house, the house could be entered without permission of its owners.(*112) The justification for this is that the command regarding the prohibition of abominable things (munkaaraat) is mandatory, and cannot be established if such entering rests upon the permission of the residents of the premises.(*113) This is the madhhab (position) of the rest of the Kufic scholars as well, such as Ibraheem An-Nakha'i, Ash-Sha'bi, Hammaad and Ath-Thowri. They do not differ on this issue. The same can be said of the general body of jurisprudence of Al-Basrah.(*114)You would have read this brother if you had decided to read the book that was linked to you many times:(*108)The first of the four famous imaams. He was born in Koofah, Iraq in the 80th year of the Hijrah. He died in Baghdad in the year 150 H. See Adh-Dhahabi's Seeyar A'laamin Nubalaa, vol. 6, pp. 390-403.
(*109)Such as flutes, pipes, horns and related wind instruments.
(*110)Small hand drums without steel jangles. This permitted type is to be used on certain restricted occassions as designated by the sunnah, the details of which will follow.
(*111)Testimony given by witnesses concerning matters or crimes involving punishments is only accepted from trustworthy, obedient Muslims.
(*112)In shari'ah, the mere suspicion of vice is not sufficient to warranat invasion of privacy by the authorities. Here, however, the violation is not confined to the privacy of the home and should be prevented, even forcibly, to avoid corruption of society.
(*113)Quoted from 'Ownul Ma'bood Sharhu Sunan Abi Dawood, vol. 13, pp. 273-274.
(*114)Stated by Abut Teeb Taahir At-Tabari and quoted in Al-Qurtubi's Al-Jaami'li Ahkaamil Quraan, vol. 14, p. 55.
http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...an-sunnah.html
Also remember that if you trust those who conveyed to us the Qur'an from the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him), then you should also trust them in the way the Messenger of Allaah taught them the Qur'an, and the way they taught it us [i.e. interpreted.]
do you accept the interpretation of the beautiful sahabi's and tabi'een?
Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
{ وَمِنَ ٱلنَّاسِ مَن يَشْتَرِي لَهْوَ ٱلْحَدِيثِ لِيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَيَتَّخِذَهَا هُزُواً أُوْلَـٰئِكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ }
(And of mankind) the reference here is to al-Nadr Ibn al-Harith (is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse) discourse of falsehood, books on legends, on the sun, the stars, mathematics and singing; it is also said this means: associating partners with Allah, (that he may mislead) by means of it (from Allah's way) from Allah's religion and obedience (without knowledge) or proof, (and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom) for these, there is a severe chastisement.
Surah Luqman Verse 6
The first category defines the term "lahwal hadeeth":
(a) singing and listening to songs,
(b) the purchasing of professional male or female singers and
(c) the purchase of instruments of amusement; namely, the drum (tabl). The elements of this category revolve around reference to the blameworthy usage of instruments of idle amusement, in short, music and song. This view was held by a number of companions such as Ibn Mas'ood, Jaabir and Ibn Abbaas. It is related that the former was questioned regarding the meaning of the verse under discussion to which he replied, "I swear by the One other than Whom there is no god that it refers to singing [ghinaa]"; he repeated it three times to emphasize his position. [14 ]It is related that Ibn Abbaas said it referred to "singing and the like." [15 ]Jaabir is reported to view its meaning to signify singing and listening to songs. [16 ]This general view pointing to censure of music and song was also held by a great number of taabi'een, such as Ikrimah, Mujaahid, Mak-hooi and Umar bin Shu'ayb, to name only a few.
17 For details, see the tafseer of Ibn Katheer, vol. 6, p. 33 Ai-Qurtubi's Al-Jaami'. vol. 14, pp. 51-53 and As-Suyooti's Ad-Durr Al-Manthoor. vol. 5, pp. 158-160.
'And excite any of them whom you can with your voice. Assault them with your cavalry and infantry, be a partner with them in their wealth and children, and make them promises.' But Satan promises them nothing except deceit"
SoorahAl-Israa, 17:64
It is related that some of the commentators from the generation of the taabi'een, such as Mujaahid and Ad-Dahhaak, [10 ]interpreted Satan's exciting mankind with his voice to mean through the use of music, song and amusement. Ad-Dahhaak said it was the sound of wind instruments.
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ok....................I was just asking for the exact Quranic evidence.........not quotes picked up from websites! *Ahem* Can I have them now?!?!
can u read the post above by ibnabdulhakim!!!
fear Allah and speak to an alim
a good site is islamtoday. ask ur quetsion and he will give u answer. its seems to me that ur not satisfied even though there's soo many evidence from the quraan and sunah in this thread
may Allah guide u
please can you tell me which publishers published your Quran, other people on this and other threads have included the same verse including the bracketed (i.e. music, singing, etc.) comment but the bracketed portion is an interpretation and not actually included in the Quran as follows:format_quote Originally Posted by Muj4h1d4
One of the places in the Qur’an in which music and singing is forbidden is the following;
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead men from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur’an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment.”
[Qur’an, Surah 31, Verse 6]
So, the above verse of the Qur’an, along with the statements regarding its meaning is clear in the prohibition of music.
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YUSUFALI: But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.
PICKTHAL: And of mankind is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse, that he may mislead from Allah's way without knowledge, and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom.
SHAKIR: And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.
FROM www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran
[Shakir 31:6] And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.
[Yusufali 31:6] But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.
[Pickthal 31:6] And of mankind is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse, that he may mislead from Allah's way without knowledge, and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom.
www.--------------/quran/
I would be very interested to know where you are getting this quote from because to me it looks like a blatant innovation.
what is the matter that you disbelieve when the proof is right in front of your eyes?
look at the post i have given. wallahi sahabi and tabieen stating that the verses were talking about music and yet you refuse?
do you think you have a better interpretation then the sahabi's? Audhubillah because that is what your implying!
may Allah soften our hearts and guide us..
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