Hello brothers and sisters, this is my first topic i will introduce, not sure how to use this forum yet hehe..
Anyway i wanted to know peoples views and knowledge on what im about to say. When its Ramadhan i see girls who dont wear hijabs wearing one and then they take it off after ramadhan. Whilst they are wearing their hijab they also wear tight and revealing clothing. This is not right in my view.. I guess they are doing something good by covering thier head. However its insulting the idea of covering yourself.
In The Name Of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
format_quote Originally Posted by sumeyye
i think the physical veil is the least important of the veils...and any other muslim in the right mind would agree...
Modestly of the heart, mind and tongue starts with the physical veil. I know for my own experience brothers are less likely to approach you with negative intentions if you wear the Hijaab properly. When I say "properly" I mean that a sister should cover her hair, wear loose clothing (preferably an abayah) and lower her gaze. Even if a sister’s actions are not consistent with Hijaab and modestly in Islam, at least the strange brothers in the streets won’t be affected by her fitnah. We are not judging the sisters who wear Hijaab improperly but it’s our obligation to propagate the truth in order to help others and preserve the true teachings of Islam.
Wasalam
-SI-
In The Name Of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
Modestly of the heart, mind and tongue starts with the physical veil. I know for my own experience brothers are less likely to approach you with negative intentions if you wear the Hijaab properly. When I say "properly" I mean that a sister should cover her hair, wear loose clothing (preferably an abayah) and lower her gaze. Even if a sister’s actions are not consistent with Hijaab and modestly in Islam, at least the strange brothers in the streets won’t be affected by her fitnah. We are not judging the sisters who wear Hijaab improperly but it’s our obligation to propagate the truth in order to help others and preserve the true teachings of Islam.
Wasalam
-SI-
thats a bit of a selfish approach...
there are two types of people...some start on the outside and work towards the inside...thats the easy way out...and the ones which usually screw up...no offense..but its all around us.
then there are others who start on the inside and then let it it encompass the outside as well.this is the true way..
but there is no right or wrong...just a difference in people and personality..the outer veil is less important than the inner veil...if a young girl commits all sorts of sins of modesty in the feild of the inner, and wears the hijab as well as they please, it will never equate to one not wearing the hijab, but behaving and thinking etc as a muslim woman shud.
that is all.
salams.
sumeyye.
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
Its sad to say, but these days I can't tell teh difference between a Muslim Gurl & a Non - Muslim Gurl because of the way they dress...Now, everyones just into fashion so its all about Clothes Shoes etc, tryna impress other peeps. For Gurls to wear a Hijab today would be VERY hard, however, they should try covering themselves modestly, not wear tight Clothes, cover their Hair for a start...Idk? :confused:
Its sad to say, but these days I can't tell teh difference between a Muslim Gurl & a Non - Muslim Gurl because of the way they dress...Now, everyones just into fashion so its all about Clothes Shoes etc, tryna impress other peeps. For Gurls to wear a Hijab today would be VERY hard, however, they should try covering themselves modestly, not wear tight Clothes, cover their Hair for a start...Idk? :confused:
its hard
no one said it was gna b easy...........
bt the problem is maintaining the modesty inside and out..not only on the outside....
once you get to know em, trust me, u can tell the diffence between a muslim girl and a non muslim girl....
hope that makes sense...
peace...
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
In The Name Of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
.
First of all, sister, I would like to say that we shouldn’t argue for the sake of arguing. Let’s have a pleasant conversation in order to become better Muslims. So please forgive me if this offends you in anyway.
format_quote Originally Posted by sumeyye
thats a bit of a selfish approach...
How is this selfish? Please explain sister.
format_quote Originally Posted by sumeyye
there are two types of people...some start on the outside and work towards the inside...thats the easy way out...and the ones which usually screw up...no offense..but its all around us.
Sister, this is not the easy way out. Try walking in the streets in a Western society wearing a Niqab and Abayah. My point is that change starts with our intention to please Allah (SWT). Then we need to make sure all the Fard are taken care of. And you are making very general statements against those sisters who are taking every step necessary to please Allah regarding Hijab. We all screw up. but we have to be ensure that we observe all the Fard properly and tight clothing are against the Fard of Hijab.
format_quote Originally Posted by sumeyye
then there are others who start on the inside and then let it it encompass the outside as well. this is the true way..
Working on our inner self is a never-ending battle until we are placed in our grave. If we try to fix our inside first than, we will never reach the external side. The internal and external struggle has to complement one another. Rasulullah (peace and blessings be upon him) advised us to cry as much as possible in our Du’a and he said that if you can’t cry, then act like you are crying. So you see the outside greatly influences the inside.
format_quote Originally Posted by sumeyye
but there is no right or wrong...just a difference in people and personality..the outer veil is less important than the inner veil...if a young girl commits all sorts of sins of modesty in the feild of the inner, and wears the hijab as well as they please, it will never equate to one not wearing the hijab, but behaving and thinking etc as a muslim woman shud.
A girl who doesn’t wear the hijab while knowing that it is Fard is a Fasiq. She is disobeying the commands of her Creator while she knows that her actions are wrong. This may sound harsh but this is the truth. As Muslims we need to learn how to swallow the truth instead of defending our wrong actions. This is sign of our arrogance when we continue to defend our actions instead of scrutinizing lives for the sake of our own selves. If the inner veil was more important don’t you think Allah would have specifically mentioned that “work on the inside then take the next step”. Like I said before, inside and the outside complement one another. it’s just like learning how to pray. first we learn how to fix the external aspect of Salah (such as making Sujood, Ruku’ and Qiyaam properly according to the Sunnah). When this is accomplished we proceed to gain Kushoo’, the internal aspect.
Again, I am extremely sorry if this offends you or hurts you in any way. Sister I love you for the sake of Allah. :hug:
Wasalam
-SI-
but there is no right or wrong...just a difference in people and personality..the outer veil is less important than the inner veil...if a young girl commits all sorts of sins of modesty in the feild of the inner, and wears the hijab as well as they please, it will never equate to one not wearing the hijab, but behaving and thinking etc as a muslim woman shud.
I don't mean to cause offence here, but surely if a Muslim woman was behaving and thinking as a Muslim woman should, then she would be wearing hijab!
I don't mean to cause offence here, but surely if a Muslim woman was behaving and thinking as a Muslim woman should, then she would be wearing hijab!
yes...but we are discussing the difference between the inner and outter veil wit the sister...thats where i think uve missed it...we are talking abt non-ideal cases..
peace.
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
In The Name Of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
.
First of all, sister, I would like to say that we shouldn’t argue for the sake of arguing. Let’s have a pleasant conversation in order to become better Muslims. So please forgive me if this offends you in anyway.
How is this selfish? Please explain sister.
Sister, this is not the easy way out. Try walking in the streets in a Western society wearing a Niqab and Abayah. My point is that change starts with our intention to please Allah (SWT). Then we need to make sure all the Fard are taken care of. And you are making very general statements against those sisters who are taking every step necessary to please Allah regarding Hijab. We all screw up. but we have to be ensure that we observe all the Fard properly and tight clothing are against the Fard of Hijab.
Working on our inner self is a never-ending battle until we are placed in our grave. If we try to fix our inside first than, we will never reach the external side. The internal and external struggle has to complement one another. Rasulullah (peace and blessings be upon him) advised us to cry as much as possible in our Du’a and he said that if you can’t cry, then act like you are crying. So you see the outside greatly influences the inside.
A girl who doesn’t wear the hijab while knowing that it is Fard is a Fasiq. She is disobeying the commands of her Creator while she knows that her actions are wrong. This may sound harsh but this is the truth. As Muslims we need to learn how to swallow the truth instead of defending our wrong actions. This is sign of our arrogance when we continue to defend our actions instead of scrutinizing lives for the sake of our own selves. If the inner veil was more important don’t you think Allah would have specifically mentioned that “work on the inside then take the next step”. Like I said before, inside and the outside complement one another. it’s just like learning how to pray. first we learn how to fix the external aspect of Salah (such as making Sujood, Ruku’ and Qiyaam properly according to the Sunnah). When this is accomplished we proceed to gain Kushoo’, the internal aspect.
Again, I am extremely sorry if this offends you or hurts you in any way. Sister I love you for the sake of Allah. :hug:
Wasalam
-SI-
oh no probs sis....no offense here...i think i may have expressed myself in a silly tone...sorry on my behalf...
i understand what u are saying....
but all i was trying to do was diffeneciate the diff between inner and outer veil. i belieev that the inner veil is very imp....more so than the outer veil...this does not mean that they arent equal in their 'fardness' and their value in islam. i just believe that it is better for a girl who wears it, to have accomplished manners etc....coz it looks so bad wen u see sisters wearn it...sitting round a bunch of guys with a lollipop in her mouth, hitting the guys, screaming vague terms...
but yes, wearing it, then fixing urself is ongoing...ofcourse. the point is to find when one is ready and mennered up enuf to wear it...that lies in the individual...
manners etc are also a lot more easy to justify than the hijab...wen u look at the isalmic sources and frm the life of our prophet...he alsways stressed on the inner veil more than the outer...
peace.
ps...i love and respect all for the sake of Allah.
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
In The Name Of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
.
format_quote Originally Posted by bellagalore
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What is hard about wearing hijab? I have no comprehension of how it is harder to do so in western society than in any other society.
its much easier to wear Niqab in a Muslim majority society than a western one. in a western society its against the norm to have everything covered except your eyes. I hope it makes sense.
its much easier to wear Niqab in a Muslim majority society than a western one. in a western society its against the norm to have everything covered except your eyes. I hope it makes sense.
Not really. No, it doesn't make sense to me. I'm glad I can't be bothered by whatever other people are doing.
So, its against the norm, so what? People stare at you? Maybe, but if you were wearing tight clothes I can promise you people would stare at you even more. And you wouldn't be dressed exactly like other people on the street if you did not cover up because everyone is dressed a little different anyways.
Come on- worried about what everyone else is wearing? That's just juvenile. How can any intelligent person be bothered with that issue?
Word of advice to all that think wearing hijab is easier when everyone else does it- If you stop caring about what other people are wearing, you will not care if they care what you are wearing. I promise.
In The Name Of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
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format_quote Originally Posted by bellagalore
Not really. No, it doesn't make sense to me. I'm glad I can't be bothered by whatever other people are doing.
So, its against the norm, so what? People stare at you? Maybe, but if you were wearing tight clothes I can promise you people would stare at you even more. And you wouldn't be dressed exactly like other people on the street if you did not cover up because everyone is dressed a little different anyways.
Not really, a sister with Niqab easily stands out in the crowd. And the stares and attention she gets are not similar what the girl with tight cloths receives. Tight clothing invites stares and attention. We are simply trying to abide by our religion when we cover up yet people are always reacting negatively.
There is a video on youtube where a white American girl wore the Niqab to wallmart. The attention she got wasn’t encouraging or inviting.
format_quote Originally Posted by bellagalore
Come on- worried about what everyone else is wearing? That's just juvenile. How can any intelligent person be bothered with that issue?
What we wear reflects our personality. You can be fired from a job solely based on what you wear. It’s not something juvenile. Instead try to walk in the shoes of a Muslim woman in America.
Besides, we are not talking about what everyone else in the streets are wearing. We are debating about the proper use of Hijab by Muslim women.
format_quote Originally Posted by bellagalore
Word of advice to all that think wearing hijab is easier when everyone else does it- If you stop caring about what other people are wearing, you will not care if they care what you are wearing. I promise.
Anything becomes easier when everyone else does it. This is not limited to the Hijab issue. In a Muslim society Hijab are accepted and tolerated. No one will throw insults at you on the streets or stop to look at you twice if you wear the Hijab. No one will look at you with negative impressions on their faces. but this is not the case in a western society. the reaction from the western society can discourage sisters from wearing Hijab.
Not really. No, it doesn't make sense to me. I'm glad I can't be bothered by whatever other people are doing.
So, its against the norm, so what? People stare at you? Maybe, but if you were wearing tight clothes I can promise you people would stare at you even more.
Yes really, you feel less out of place. Sure people will stare at you maybe if you wear tight clothes as if you wore hijaab, but the underlying reason to it is why they are staring at you? Being in Western society, I hardly think you will be thinking they are staring at you to "check you out", rather than "whats with her", which always can be uncomfortable.
Word of advice to all that think wearing hijab is easier when everyone else does it- If you stop caring about what other people are wearing, you will not care if they care what you are wearing. I promise.
Thats not advice, its a common known fact - Its not so easy to not care about what other people are wearing, to assume it is so strongly and that if someone does otherwise makes them inferior is somewhat egoistic. You want to get along with people naturally and don't wish to feel insecure - its a normal trait in humans, one of the flaws maybe even, but it does exist. If you want to give advice, maybe say how one should overcome feeling this insecurity.
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Nice topic and those girls who cover when ramadan comes and when its over reveal themselves are indeed hypocrites.As for those who cover their hair but where tight clothes,transparent,etc are a form of " KASIYAT 'ARIYAT" as revealed in the ahadeeth of the messenger of Allah and will never enter paradise nor even smell its fragrance.Me and my sisters were just talking about these kind of Seasonal Hijabis! last night since we see a lot of them in our masjid.
May Allah make them steadfast upon the religion since thats there problem.Ameen.
Whats wrong with wearing a Niqab I myself were it eventhough I sometimes get the weirdo look but I ignore themor say"boo!" sike.
weird look infact they come up to me and ask me about the deen and its also a source of da'wah.I know it sometimes difficult being covered from head to toe in a western society especially America after 9/11 but Allahs commandments I care about more instead of other peoples views.
Ina-allaha ma'a sabireen.Verily Allah is with the patient.
Tight clothing invites stares and attention. We are simply trying to abide by our religion when we cover up yet people are always reacting negatively.
There is a video on youtube where a white American girl wore the Niqab to wallmart. The attention she got wasn’t encouraging or inviting.
Im just confused by this statement. The attention she got wasn't encouraging? Tight clothes get 'inviting' attention?
Think about how you view the world here. 'Inviting' attention means strangers, half of whom dont even believe in any God- those people want to have sex with you. This is a bad thing to incite in random people. This is not a feeling you should want with any bone in your body. When people stare at girls in niqab, they are frustrated and angry because they cant fantasize about having sex with them. Subconsciously or not, that is what their issue is, right? Causing this feeling in people should make you happy. In a small way, every time someone gives you a menacing glare for wearing hijab, you should know you have done them a good deed for you have let them feel pain for the base desires they want to project onto you. This is perfect reason to be happy.
When I wear the niqab, honest to God, it makes my heart sing. I think if someone else hadn't invented it, I would have come up with it myself. Hijab is a GIFT from God. If you had faaar greater gifts in math or physics or art than all the others around you, would you feel sad for being so gifted? They might envy you or try and cut you down. But by rights, you should only feel thankful to God for a great gift.
When the Prophet (PBUH) set down the verses about hijab, the women he spoke to weren't only surrounded by other veiled Muslims. There were plenty kuffr in Arabia at the time and his own followers went into that world being the veiled women when other women were often not. What women were more blessed than those that followed the Prophet (PBUH) himself? God did not give them the gift of hijab so that they could feel distressed around the kaffir. Everytime any sister feels harassed/shamed/*different* around those who do not believe, she should ponder- is this what Allah wants her to feel?
I will tell you what I feel- I feel absolutely content when I do what is righteous by God. It is a little spark of the feeling I have when I am concentrated on devotion and prayer. That is the feeling of the niqab.
Yes, they do. You telling me girls don't want to be looked at like that in the World? They don't get that same look if they wearing a hijab - theres a difference.
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