Have you ever been in Bosnia?

If so, why, what was the nature of your visit? I ask this because 99% of muslims that come here from foreign countries only do that so they can enjoy being rich and show off( wealthy Arabs). Anyways, if you were? How was it?

My friend has been a couple times.

Some of the pics he showed me are amazing. Nice place mashallah.

Probably looked like the backpacking hobo type, alhamdulillah.

Don't think he's the type your talking about.

Well the living standard here is very low brother. And they've started moving in here quickly, I don't like that at all, but never mind. That's great MashAllah.

Ah well, it takes all sorts to make the world turn.

And in the end they have to spend time and money with you.

Probably.

It's different to be a tourist in a country. I'm fine with that. But it's not okay to come here and spend your wealth on buying our land and ensure rich existence for yourself only in our "house". That's just poison for the nation.

^^ This seems to be common way to think in many countries. In my country people dislike rich Russians whose come here and buy land or buy houses from here. As tourists they are welcome of course, when they buy things and leave their money for us. The human nature is same in everywhere. ;D

Fortune cookie time...

No man is an island.


It's a hard concept to explain but imagine you moved to a different land and had to be second class citizens and have-nots.

Immigrants still built firm foundations despite being looked down upon..

But as you state, you have the whole deck never mind the hand.

Leaving money and investing is economy is so much different then spendind your money on random stuff and mocking the poor people, homie.

Guess you had no troubles before the neighbours moved in right?

I learnt to say please and thankyou, still wierded out when ghetto kids say the same back.

Guess iv gone soft.

What place have you for the soft?

would love to go there one day insha'Allah...........and also travel the world insha'Allah

First of all, many Arabs and Pakistanis have settled after the war after fighting for and helping Bosnia. But most are disrespected by munafiq people who spread lies about them.

There are even Chinese, they own all the small conveniences, THIS was a big shock for me!

Secondly, the Arabs that have invested their money in rebuilding and building in Bosnia, built market places, malls, etc... yes they are rich, they are business people, but they invested their money in building something for and in the country. On the other hand the average Bosnian person may be unemployed, complaining and only whining. The government is corrupt and complete garbage. There is so much corruption. It has nothing to do with these Arabs. I still have family there and this is the reality.

I haven't been there in nine years, but I've seen all the new places that were built by Arabs, and my uncle who is now there tells me and has shown much more. My parents have been there two years ago too and have told me about the newer places.

However the BIGGEST change I witnessed myself was seeing practicing Muslims out in the open, for the first time in this country; bearded brothers, hijabis, niqabis. The deen increased. However at the same time so much kufr has increased too, drugs, clubs (which always existed but now even more), prostitution (just step out of Sarajevo they're all there), increase in gangs/crimes, theft.

The same idiots that used to ridicule religious people are still there. My family while simply walking ended up called "wahabbi" because my mother wore hijab and my father had a beard. Ironically we're converts and these type of guys will boast about being 'proud muslims' while they're having their beer in a cafe outside.

I definetely missed having authentic cevapi

M.I.A. said:

Fortune cookie time...

No man is an island.

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Richard Branson is an island, and he just charges thirty thousand dollars a week to stay on his island, hardly a days pocket money for you ;D

Book holiday through virgin internet on the virgin holidays website, travel to airport on virgin trains, fly virgin airways..

Stay a week in the virgin islands...

Probably.

I can't even imagine how somebody could be that successful.

Ahmed2014 said:

First of all, many Arabs and Pakistanis have settled after the war after fighting for and helping Bosnia. But most are disrespected by munafiq people who spread lies about them.

There are even Chinese, they own all the small conveniences, THIS was a big shock for me!

Secondly, the Arabs that have invested their money in rebuilding and building in Bosnia, built market places, malls, etc... yes they are rich, they are business people, but they invested their money in building something for and in the country. On the other hand the average Bosnian person may be unemployed, complaining and only whining. The government is corrupt and complete garbage. There is so much corruption. It has nothing to do with these Arabs. I still have family there and this is the reality.

I haven't been there in nine years, but I've seen all the new places that were built by Arabs, and my uncle who is now there tells me and has shown much more. My parents have been there two years ago too and have told me about the newer places.

However the BIGGEST change I witnessed myself was seeing practicing Muslims out in the open, for the first time in this country; bearded brothers, hijabis, niqabis. The deen increased. However at the same time so much kufr has increased too, drugs, clubs (which always existed but now even more), prostitution (just step out of Sarajevo they're all there), increase in gangs/crimes, theft.

The same idiots that used to ridicule religious people are still there. My family while simply walking ended up called "wahabbi" because my mother wore hijab and my father had a beard. Ironically we're converts and these type of guys will boast about being 'proud muslims' while they're having their beer in a cafe outside.

I definetely missed having authentic cevapi

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My brother from Kosovo. Everything that you said here is false and I'm going to explain myself now and state arguments, since we are talking about my country and problems with Arabs and Pakistanis. Untill 1992 Bosnia was under socialism in Yugoslavia, life was pretty stable and good for everbody including muslims that lived in peace and had right to practice Islam and be righteous.
Then war happened, the help that Pakistanis and Arabs provided us is not even to discuss, but rather is a big shame for the muslim ummah. Not a lot of volounteers from so called "Muslim ummah" or "mujahideen" even came to help, those that did made chaos.

Only some of them came, probably 300 or 400 in total. What those people did in our war was murder of innocent Serbian civillians, slaughter they've done put a big shame on the Army of Bosnia and war crimes that were done by them are now blamed on Bosnians but were done by the same "mujahideen" that are killing innocents in Syria now. So, they accepted some refugees in war, that's true, but the fact that more of them was imprisoned when they arrived then sheltered is horrible.

So that's just the war part, now let me get back on their help in the aftermath 2015.


Most of them settled here in Bosnia and built a little "empire" for them. They made a fortune on poor Bosnia after war, that was DEVESTATED, in the deepest meaning of that word. So if I came to Syria now and I open up a shop with good prices, those little kids are going to buy, and it's easy to become rich and profit on them because they are miserable, ya Allah, that's someone elses misery. Or maybe it's just capitalism? Making money under the cloak of Islam and muslim brotherhood, yeah. We are brothers when it comes to money. Pretending to be humanitarian to us but in reality just making profit? Is that brotherhood?

Preaching Islam and brotherhood to us Bosnians but in reality the profit was what all of them wanted.

Now...they live a lavish lifestyle with money that they made on us, mostly Pakistans because Arabs already have it from their oil.

You say that they invested money and built something for the country? Could you name me a single thing that benefited Bosnia as a country?
Only thing they made was luxury apartments and buildings so they can enjoy with their families when they come on holiday. Am I munafiq now brother, when I'm telling the truth?

Only thing that they've done for us was buidlings some Mosques and preaching religion. And those that preach are rich muslims, it's only rich that preach

Salamu alaikum.

wa alaikum salam

Rubbish.

First of all before the war there was no practice of Islam at all in Bosnia. The only Islam that existed was in some villages where some people held on to some sufi traditions. Overall? People didn't pray, people didn't fast, women didn't wear hijab, a man having a beard was non-existent, masajid were places for tourists, not even open for daily prayers.

When the mujahedin came from the Arab world, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc... they brought both the practice and knowledge of Islam. My uncle was the first to embrace Islam in our family and it was seeing how they were in behavior and belief that made him change himself and become a Muslim. Mind you he was an atheist before Islam. A product of Yugoslavia's socialism and nationalism.

Was there MUSLIMS everywhere? SURE Muslims were like 60% of the population BUT BY NAME! Even today the same cultural Muslims will boast about how their great grand father was a hajii "oooh moj djedo je bio hadjia" GREAT how about YOU, what are YOU doing? That's the typical attitude of cultural Bosnian Muslims, they're proud of some ancestral past but don't act upon the deen themselves..

My grandfather came from a Muslim family but since he was orphaned during world war 2 he had to work from 12 and got married young. He had the whole family on his back. Furthermore under socialist communism of Tito religious groups were banned and individuals imprisoned, there was no such thing as religious freedom. Celebrating Christmas, going to church sure! Everyone was 'united' under Slavic nationalism, Serbs drank sljivovica with Bosnian Muslims no problem!

"Bratstvo i jedinstvo" -- Brotherhood and unity! That was the slavic nationalist slogan of Tito's Yugoslavia. People were united upon being SLAVS and to this day some of those who are 'proud of Tito' talk about how 'great' yugoslavia was, but they are not practicing Muslims. They're mostly secularists and atheists.

Tito imprisoned and tortured anyone who was of religious significance or voice, my grandfather's Kosovar Albanian family was divided as a result of the orphan situation and of this communist slavic phenomena. One of my grandfather's brothers was tortured and imprisoned. Alija Izetbegovic who was a part of the "Muslim Youth" movement was also imprisoned and was a political and religious prisoner under Tito. He led the fight against the Serbs alongside the mujahedin.

The propaganda you're talking about 'innocent serbian civillians' comes from Cetnik propaganda. Let me not even get into that. You're just brainwashed by ethnocentricism and Serbian lies who have the AUDACITY to even open their mouths, Ceric's BS (the 'grand mufti of bosnia') and nationalists and munafiqs who are nothing but sell outs when it comes to deen ul islam.

They're the same people who spread the non-sense about the mujahedin, who call them "terrorists" (something Serbians picked up on from americans and started to use in justifying themselves in this continued war against Muslims in Bosnia on political grounds), people who scream/yell "Wahabbi" and who talk about "Our Bosnian Islam isn't like 'THEIR' Islam"

And fear Allah, the only ones who made a 'profit' were war profiteering Bosnians and criminals who drive around in porsches and other expensive cars now through crime. The Arabs and Pakistanis are business people and guess what they established BUSINESSES not GANGS like Bosnian criminals. So all you have is envy and your nationalism that's making you like this. Shame on you.

Just because I don't live there now doesn't mean I don't know what's going on anymore or how it was before the war.

Funny, the moment you step outside of Sarajevo never mind the prostitutes, but what are some of the signs you'll see? Srpska federacija? "Pazi mine" (watch out for mines) or the many Cetnik slogans. I took photos last time I was there, my parents took even more two years ago, it's all over the road to if you drive along.

The war was lost, the moment Muslims weakened and gave up on the deen and returned to nationalism.

Oh YES another phenomena that's TOTALLY new to Bosnia is SHIISM! And Jehova's witnesses. Yes even Jehova's witnesses have made their way to Bosnia. My cousin was telling me they came to her door lol.

And shiism? Iran and Bosnia have a strong relation now. They are doing their utmost to have 'exchange' programs for students to bring them to Iran and vice versa. My cousin is a Bosnian diplomat and has worked in the Iranian embassy for Bosnia. They are giving da'wah to Bosnians to become shias.

Oh and I remember the last time I was in Bosnia everyone complained about having NO JOBS and whining about Arabs and Pakistanis opening Masajid too. "we don't need masajid we need jobs". To this day it's the same story always everyone complaining about there being 'nothing'.

So tell me then, how is it some people INVESTED their money and used their minds to MAKE for themselves something to establish themselves that bothers you so much? Mind you many of them DIDN'T come with money! Meanwhile you spit dirt on them, while you just complained about 'no jobs' and complain about how the government is not giving you anything and how the government is corrupt (typical attitude of everyone there). You don't necessarily NEED money to START something. If there is NOTHING after war, that means there's lots of opportunity to establish business, open business, things that are needed, services that are needed, things that didn't exist before that you can work on and bring in. BUT the typical attitude of sitting and doing nothing over there is prominent. I can come up with some jokes o crno gorcu, ali malo te sale izgleda bolje prema bosancu koji samo guzicu zna da sjedi i govori kako nema nista a neradi nista.

So all you have is envy. They established HALAL businesses and Allah reward them with rizq.

The only real war profiteers are the crook gangs and criminals as most bosnians turned to CRIME and made profits. The rest did NOTHING and only complained about there being nothing.

And just for your information not all Arabs somehow 'own oil'. So ignorant. Those mujahedin put their lives at risk and abandoned their home lands to come to HELP YOU in the fight against the Serbs. Meanwhile you spit DIRT on them.

Most of them if they wanted to go back they would have gone back, but they would have been imprisoned and tortured in their home lands. I remember one of the imams of king fahd masjid in Sarajevo, he was Tunisian. He was educated in madina, but he could not return to Tunisia as they would have arrested him and thrown him in prison. So he stayed in Bosnia. Likewise for some brothers who came from Syria. Same story if they went back they would have been imprisoned and tortured. They gave up their home lands and risked their lives!

I only spent two months in the war myself and became a refugee with my mother, my father a year, my uncle the entire war and he fought the entire war. My uncle was shot and injured 3 times during the war and kept fighting.

Both of my grandparents stayed in the war. My grandmother was responsible for distributing food in Ali Pasinovo Polje in Sarajevo. Everyone was suffering. And these people came and turned the war tide around and started winning against the Serbs.

Vice president of Yugoslavia was muslim that prayed and practiced, all you said is denied by that

Mirza06 said:

Vice president of Yugoslavia was muslim that prayed and practiced, all you said is denied by that

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I do not think that you can void and deny so many proofs what brother Ahmed2014 showed with only one argument - which we others don´t even know if it´s true or not. The vice president might has right to practice religion, while all others couldn´t (like brother Ahmed2014 told) but how we know it wasn´t only a publicity stunt to prove to the outside world how free and tolerant for religions the country was.

^o)

All he said was false, everybody had right to practice. Source: My parents and grand parents. Ahmed is just a refugee that escaped war and now lives in the west. Easy to talk about us from there. I tod what I had in my post above, rest are lies.