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And you've just confirmed everything I said. Fear Allah you are ignorant of the religion.

Nationalism is forbidden in Islam and is cursed. You 'dont want' pakistanis and arabs or foreigners?

Then you complain "arabs dont let us marry our women".

I wouldn't let my daughters marry you either with the mentality you have.
 
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَـنِ الرَّحِيمِ

Nationalism

Amongst the many trials and tribulations faced by Muslims today, there is the disease of Nationalism. This is to believe that one is superior just by the mere fact that they reside in a certain part of the world, to see their race, culture and traditions to be far better with no basis from the Shari'ah. Allah (swt) tells us why He created us different, so we can recognise each other.

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا
O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another [EMQ 49:13]

People are elevated by Islam

The verse continues to say that only those who have taqwa (fear of Allah) which is a sign of belief are elevated in the yes of Allah (swt).

إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
Verily, the most honourable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware. [EMQ 49:13]

The Messenger said on his farewell sermon.

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor does a black have any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action."

The piety and good action referred to here is Islam, as any other action or way of life will be rejected, as Allah (swt) says,

وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him [EMQ 3:85]

Umar al Khattab said "we are people elevated by Islam, if we chose another way it will only bring disgrace"

Unity amongst Muslims is obligatory

The Muslims are united as one nation, not by blood, nor colour nor race but by following the same deen (religion). This bond of faith is what causes the brotherhood between the believers, as Allah (swt) says,

إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ إِخْوَةٌ
Verily the believers are a brotherhood [EMQ 49:10]

Mujahid, the student of Ibn Abbas (ra) said "this verse is referring exclusively to the Muslims". The Messenger said

"A Muslim to another Muslim is a brother; he does not forsake him nor oppress him"

"The similitude of the Muslims is like one body, if one part suffers the other feels the pain"

"The Muslim Ummah is one at the exclusion of all others, their land is one, their war is one and their peace is one"

With such clear cut evidences dispraising and forbidding the division of the Muslim based upon jahiliyyah (ignorance), one has to think why the Muslim Ummah is in the situation it is today. It is easy just to blame the Muslims and say why they don't practice Islam and why do they allow this to happen. However we also need to look further.

Divide and Rule

Since the advent of Islam there have been many plots to destroy this deen of Allah (swt). Even in the time of the Prophet Muhammad the Mushrikeen (polytheists) of Quraish tried several times to quash the Islamic State in Madinah. Even those residing within Madinah such as the hypocrites and the Jews betrayed the covenant they had with the Prophet (saw) in siding with the enemies of Islam. We should therefore not be surprised that those outside of this brotherhood of Islam will do all they can to destroy it. Allah (swt) says,

وَلَن تَرْضَى عَنكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلاَ النَّصَارَى حَتَّى تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ
Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. [EMQ 2:120]

مَّا يَوَدُّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ وَلاَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ أَن يُنَزَّلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ خَيْرٍ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ
Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture nor Al-Mushrikoun like that there should be sent down unto you any good from your Lord. [EMQ 2:105]

The strategy of "Divide and Rule" is constantly used by the disbelievers to disunite the Muslims. We need only look into history and see how Andulus (Spain) was taken from the Muslims, by the Christians who came in pretending to aid the Muslim governors against each other, only finally to oust the Muslims all together. Even recently the plot to pit Arabs against Turks was successful in destroying the last remnants of the Islamic State in Turkey. This situation continues further with places like Kashmir, Sudan, Iraq and Afghanistan, where the media always make reference to ethnicity rather than Islam or Muslims. Even Palestine which is a concern for all Muslims is reported as an "Arab Israeli Conflict".

Leave nationalism

We should take lessons from the sayings of the Prophet who severely warned us against nationalism. He said,

"He is not one of us who calls for Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for Asabiyyah or who dies for Asabiyyah."

And in another Hadith, also referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism He said:

"Leave it, it is rotten."

Only through unity can the Ummah return to its former glory, and be as Allah (swt) called it a leading nation.
 
I love Allah, and I strive on his path.
I try to follow the sunnah.
I don't want my country to be "Islamic Republic", Bosnia is home for everybody.
I'm not nationalist, I respect every race, religion and nationality.
I don't want them in a form of help, or staying here, it is fully acceptable for them to come as tourists and muslim brothers.
The reason why I dislike them staying here are their opinions and money loundering by building Masjid.
If they came here to help us, how come they are the ones that drives Benzs and BMWs now, but us not?
That's about it, let's end this here now, salam.
 
You can't force someone to accept another. The best example for that is Islam itself, that took millions of years to be created in a final form, because you can't tell a man just "Believe" it has to take time. :)
 
I have just finished reading your request for "Financial help" and I laughed, that's like an everyday here, but 2 times worse. Funny it seems, heh.
 
You're an ignorant nationalist even though you don't realize it, but your very own words and mentality confirm it.

You don't want an Islamic Bosnia. Do you realize the kufr you just uttered? You shame our religion with such thinking. That's why Bosnia is a failure. Not because of someone who established a halal business, it's alive because there are those that establish halal businsses. It's a failure because of the mentality of people like yourself.

What did you get by being ruled by those very same forces that hate us before the war? The rotating presidency.

You still didn't speak about what I said numerous times, step outside of Sarajevo and it says Serbian Federation. Or how about on the hills where Cetniks still live.
 
Mirza06 said:
You can't force someone to accept another. The best example for that is Islam itself, that took millions of years to be created in a final form, because you can't tell a man just "Believe" it has to take time. :)
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WOW... Islam was revealed and finalized in a period of 23 years, Muhammad salalahu alaiyhi salam was 40 years old when he first received the revelation.

You need to study the seerah more.

There is no compulsion in the deen, but at the same time, as Muslims we are suppose to rule by Islam not kufr.

Read the post on nationalism and re-educate yourself and your mentality.

If you're going to go on and on about 'rich arabs', then I won't even bother anymore. You're full of assumptions about the rest of the world all the while in denial of yourself.. You assumed I was also rich huh? Now you're 'laughing' that I am in a financial stifle myself and you have to let it be known it's an every day thing over there right?

Well at least over here people are STRIVING, while over there people are merely COMPLAINING all the time since the end of the war. People turn to CRIME over there and 'thats okay its surviving', but those that do halal businesses they are to blame for your own joblessness?
 
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BMW £200 per month for two years, then give it back and get something else.

Although if you had 200 spare you would probably spend it on your children lol save or invest.

Work like a dog and hopefully your children will be better off.

Although mankind is created in toil.

Roll your sleeves up and swallow your pride, second place to a just master is the ideal..

Although not always the case.

Lamborghini's in your Lamborghini account.
 
Assalaamu alaikum Mirza, Ahmed,


You know, just a couple of days ago, I had the pleasure of meeting a man from Bosnia. He came to Canada as a refugee, and he is working to help other refugees (from around the world) to come here. He is a quiet and sincere man... (sad) and I hurt him.

You see, he had come to teach the local Muslim community how we might sponsor some Syrian/Iraqi refugees. He had offered us his salaams at the beginning of his presentation, and he had mentioned that he was Bosnian. So I asked him afterwards if he was Muslim?

His face froze, and he said he didn't want to talk about religion. He said his father was Muslim, and his mother Christian, but he... just didn't want to touch on the question of religion. He said he'd seen too many terrible things done by people in the name of religion in his native Bosnia. I tried to say that there is a difference between God and the things people do in His Name... but I think I just made it worse. He was just too tense and even these words seemed to evoke pain.

This man is not rich. He cares about others. He works hard. He's a decent guy. My brothers, you both claim Islam as your religion... (gently) is it not possible that both of you have some fragments of truth, and some errors in understanding? That you are both human, and therefore imperfect...? Because it seems to me that if we can stop taking firm possession of The Truth and arguing with those who have different experiences and points of view... I think that we could create the sorts of conditions that people may need to feel safe enough to explore their relationship with Allah. People like this modest man from Bosnia, who has a heart that longs to do good.


May Allah, the Only One Who truly Knows, Help us open ourselves to one another... for the love of Him.
 
First of all one can be kind and nice but will it get him to jannah if they reject Allah? A lot of Bosnian Muslims will talk about how they are good in the heart but do not even pray or fast. This is a typical mentality. The ones who still identify as Muslim but do not practice will quote every hadith left and right about mercy and quote the ayaht about Allah being merciful (meanwhile forgetting that in the same verse it says Allah is the most severe in punishment). When you try to give them da'wah they will bring up how their grandfather was this or that and how they are modern and how they are kind, but will reject actually obeying the deen.

Second.

It's because if you understand the mentality of people in Former Yugoslaiva, there was a deep rooted hatred for religion. People were united upon nationalism and as communist slogan went "brotherhood and unity".

Muslims were not practicing and just muslim in name. The best they would run around about would be about being "Bosniaks" and the only time being Muslim was evoked was when Muslims were targets.

Serbs are obsessed with their ethnic pride and when it comes to religions they don't know the bible, they are just rage filled towards Muslims and always will go on about Turks and their losses of the Byzantine empire. They have entire fables, theatrical plays, novels about bashing Islam and Muslims. They perfected Islam bashing before the west ever did. Stories about Muslims having devil horns and that kind of non-sense. They always had a vision of a 'greater serbia'

Croats were always the 'sophisticated' bunch who tried real hard to be "European". They were catholics and at one point they even allied themselves with the nazis, Ustashe. They bred and fumed their ethnic pride and nationalism. The ustashe had a vision of a 'greater croatia'.

The Bosnian Muslims? Only a marshmellow that twists anyway the others wanted to 'fit in'. So drinking alcohol, hanging out at christmas parties, that was the typical bosnian 'muslim'.

The exception being the village bosniaks who held on some turkish remnants and traditions. Folk music, dancing, some sufi traditions. That type of thing.

The average Yugoslav and say Bosnian in Bosnia before the war was also quote unquote "modern", so they would denounce all religions and just be 'modern', 'get with the times'.


So out of all this you had the clash of religions and the clash of ethnicities/nationalism. And then you have the former yugoslavia nationalism and patriotism.

Where is religion in all this for Muslims? No where. Only after the war did Muslims start learning their identity.

The end result today? You have the cultural muslims who water down the religion and try to appease some of it by also bringing back ancestral history of sufism and turkey.

You have the "muslim" who is an atheist and his grandparents were haajiis but they have no religion.

You have Muslims who actually learned the deen and practice it but they are constant targets of all sides, by secularists/atheists, by the cultural sufi muslims who see them as a 'foreign arab islam', while they talk about "bosnian islam" and of course the serbs and croats who have adopted American style tactics that target Islam and Muslims directly and indirectly.
 
And this mentality is not exclusive to Bosnians but cultural people in general, but this is specifically the historical background and situational narrative of Bosnians.

That's why Bosnians intermarried so much too, there was no religion at all. Christians were christian on christmas, muslims would celebrate christmas and voila.

It's only AFTER the war that people started waking up (some people alhamdulillah) hence my point the biggest shock for me was for the first time to see hijabis, niqabis, bearded brothers, call to prayer left and right and people ACTUALLY going to the masjid to pray on time, things that were NON existent before the war.

But likewise the people who were without deen before the war, are still existing and exactly the same like the war never happened.

The other extremity is that some people became even worse and there's been an increase in crimes, drug use, prostitution, clubs/bars/cafes, etc...

People are either former Yugoslav nationalists who talk about 'the past' before ethnicities/religion became a topic. Or they are individual nationalists like 'proud' Bosniak, but still without religion. Or they are people of deen. Or they are people of cultural folk islam and traditions where they water down the religion and try to appease everyone.

These are the distinct groups of people today there.
 
I wish I could show you some TV programming of people speaking to hear and see them how they speak and think to get an idea of what I'm talking about, unfortunately none of those have translations.

If you get to see some of the brothers who are upon the deen, you would see their knowledge and sincerity, but then you get to see the opposite from the nationalists and the traditionalists who want to see them destroyed.

They even tried real hard to live their own lives and mind their own business establishing their own islamic communities in other villages and cities, but that wasn't good enough either, they get serb 'bosnian' police to harass them all the time, arrest them and they try to even take their children away. Why? Because they wanted to educate their children with islam for instance denouncing

It's a complicated situation and I will tell you this, Muslims lost in this war, we didn't win, and another conflict will happen again because the exact same things that were happening before the war still are happening, except Muslims are yet again the target 'evil' as we are portrayed everywhere today.

And mind you I was a Christian, but I am telling you all this today as a Muslim.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAT1KTHcgo0

That king fahd masjid is one of the few masajid that are not cultural and are full of practicing brothers, but they are called 'extremists' following 'foreign islam' because their women wear hijab or niqab and the brothers have beards mashAllah, they take the deen seriously.

The other city masajid which are of turkish times generally attract elderly old people and the youth who are trying to revive turkish history, traditions and sufism. At least that's better than communist atheism.

The translation is slightly inaccurate when the brother talks, he mentions extra details, where he mention we have images even of the past where you would regularly see women in niqabs even these were religious mandates in the past, and he mentions how under communism much of religion was not allowed except small things like burial rituals.

That area where the brother talks near the king fahd masjid is near Ali Pasinovo Polje, which is where my family lived too, this mosque of course didn't exist before the war.
 
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Such a foolish statement. You truly have no understanding or whatsover, Islam didn't evovle in 20 years. Islam came before Prophet Muhammad, it started with the first man Adam and his wife. Here you are constantly mentioning someone elses religion and practice, you are judging. These Bosnians didn't practice, they don't practice. What do you know and who are you to judge?

The Mosque Saudis built of "King Fahd" has a golden ceiling, is that Islam, please? Why do I need golden ceilings to pray to Allah? If they gave half of the money they give to build Masjid for people that truly need that money we'd be aight. If they gave it to the people that need God, we'd be aight. Ya know comrade?

The thing here is you can't understand me, you are sitting there in Canada and talking about Bosnia. My father fought a war for Gods sake, and now he has nothings, and that's same for everybody. So how dare you judge someones religion and deen? This went too far, smart ass. You know nothing about as and all you said wasn't even backed up with real arguments, just talk, talk and talk.

Now you are judging sufism? Astagfirullah, who are you to judge? Everybody has his path, and I personaly love sufism.
All you do is judge judge and judge, and talk about how bad we are, but when it comes to economy and facts you have nothing. Typicial diaspora. Salam :)

Just one question for Arabs. How's it possible for you to come here and marry a Bosnian muslim? But we can't, we'd have to pay alot of money to do so? Hypocracy, again, under the cloak of muslim brotherhood.


Golden ceilings at Mosque, that was your biggest help heeheh,

But then again.

I ain't mad at cha.
 
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You must be some teenager because that's what I get out of you who was raised with the typical Bosnian former Yugoslavia mentality

My uncle fought the entire war and he was shot and injured three times, he was an anti tank unit, he had sharpnel all over his face left in his body. He survived the entire war despite the injuries and continuing fighting. How did he die? He died coming back home from fishing on his motorbike when an army truck with drunk soldiers hit him.

You're obsessed with Arab money and sorry to say you whining about others having money is not going to solve your problem. Arabs didn't ust 'build masajid' they built businesses, they also contributed money. People of Palestine literally collected all their gold and gave it up to have it melted and sent as aid to Bosnians. But what would you know? All you know about is to whine about others money. You're a people who never do anything, expect hand outs and always complain. I know because I know your mentality. I grew up with people like you and nothing's changed with people of your mentality.

You can keep deflecting me as 'diaspora' lol, but it's only your own denial.

This country's failures are not because of Islam but because of LACK of Islam and Allah's punishment like on every other Muslim country, by Qadr of Allah to wake up the dormant Muslims. Some woke up, some didn't
 
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I have no failiures in my life to this day, InshAllah I won't have them later. You seriously have to question your brain, it's like talking about Canadian mentality. Thank you :)
 
Mirza06 said:
I have no failiures in my life to this day, InshAllah I won't have them later. You seriously have to question your brain, it's like talking about Canadian mentality. Thank you :)
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Then why are you whining?

I want you to imagine yourself saying the exact same things you're telling me, that if you were facing the prophet salalahu alaiyhi salam how would you talk to him?

"I don't want no Arabs or Pakistanis in my country"

Btw, Muhammad salalahu alaiyhi salam was an Arab and Islam came from Arabia not from TURKEY.
 
Because where I grew up is wrong, and what my people experience to this day is wrong, and I'm going to fight that for the rest of my life.Just because I'm good doesn't mean I should forget my people. InshAllah one day it will be more efficient than a forum debate, we will see. Everything takes time. InshAllah.

Only person who's whining here is you, asking for financial help on online forum. Pal.
 
Ti trebas malo vise da naucis Quran, tvoja arogancija, nacijonalizam samo sebe varas. Boj se Allaha, kako si arogantan. Nesto places kako u bosni, a onda tumacis kako drugi i onda se jos smijes tudjima. Wow.

Ittaqullah.

Typical mentality. Nothing has changed with people like you. Since the war you're still whining. The war ended since 98. While you're sitting on your ass whining, some Arabs and Pakistanis built things in Bosnia. That makes you mad? What have YOU built with your own hands or contributed yourself?
 
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Болје ти је шути, везе ти немаш са Босном, нити твој мозак може да разилкује лаж од истине. Уживај ми.
 
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