Do Muslims Rely More on Sahih Bukhari Ahadith than the Qur'an???

**all4salam** · 02-22-2011

Total number of traditions in 9 volumns of Bukhari are 7,000 plus. The number of hadiths collected and attributed to Prophet Muhammed (S) is in the hundreds of
thousands, approximately 700,000. And 99% of all these hundreds of thousands of hadiths are pure lies and fabrications which were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they could figure out which hadith was authentic and which wasn't. Let us look at some of the other hadith collectors and what they collected.

(1) Malik bin Anas collected about 500 hadiths in his famous book, "Al-Muwattaa."

(2) Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths in his famous "Musnad". He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 ahadith were un-proven lies and/or fabrications. That is, 94% lies and fabrications.

(3) Bukhari collected more than 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7,275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected.

(4)Muslem collected 300,000 hadiths and accepted only 4,000. He rejected about 296,000 which is almost 99% of his collected hadiths.

This should give an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door.

Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His Book which is the ONLY authentic Hadith, the ONLY acceptable Hadith, the BEST HADITH - the Noble Quran. NO such guarantee was offered to the fabrications and lies of the fabricators and liars who claimed to 'improve' on the Book of Allah by 'explaining' it and called the Quran incomplete and undetailed and claimed that the Quran needs clarification by another book.

The Jews, more than a hundred year after Prophet Moses' death created Mishnah (hadith or narrations) and Gemarrah (sunna or actions). The Jews upheld these and the invented laws within them rather than the TORAH, the revealed Word of God Almighty.

Three hundred years after the passing away of Jesus, son of Virgin Mary, the Christians created the concept of trinity which is now the primary source of Christian belief in defiance of the original Bible which commanded the absolute worship of God Alone.

The Muslims, 150 to 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammed (S), CREATED another source of their religion alongside the Noble Quran, the "Hadith & Sunnah" falsely attributed to the Prophet Muhammed in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of the Hadith & Sunnah.

When I first entered Islam it was by the grace of Allah and his words in the Holy Qur'an. I heard of the most elegant hadiths and found them to be very inspirational and motivating. Later on I found out other hadiths attributed to the Prophet (S), that were out of the character of Prophet Muhammed (S), and Islam. The sad thing is most Muslims would consider you kuffar for doubting or questioning Ahadith. You can go to just about any Masajid and the khutbahs will be from Ahadith and not the Qur'an. How can we say that Islam is religion of peace, and at the same time kill the apostates? I think Ahadith corrupt what Islam means...

My question is why do we blindly follow man-made hadiths over the word of the Lord of the Worlds?

**Salahudeen** · 02-25-2011

The qur'an tells us to follow the example of the holy prophet (saw) what would be the point in it telling us to follow his example if it wasn't preserved. This would be an error if we followed what you're saying because the qur'an would be telling us to follow something that no longer exists.

"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much." (33:21)

**Woodrow** · 02-25-2011

Originally Posted by Salahudeen

The qur'an tells us to follow the example of the holy prophet (saw) what would be the point in it telling us to follow his example if it wasn't preserved. This would be an error if we followed what you're saying because the qur'an would be telling us to follow something that no longer exists.

Very good, I wish I had said that. Your post is much clearer then my attempt to explain, you earned a few deserved rep points.

**Argamemnon** · 02-26-2011

The Qur'an was revealed to prophet Muhammed (saw) and the fact that he is an example to follow for mankind is clearly and unambiguously mentioned in the Qur'an. Islam without the prophet (saw) is both illogical and impossible because the source of Islam came to him. Sadly, you have chosen to completely disregard prophet Muhammed (saw) and his life which we were meant to follow as Muslims.

**Perseveranze** · 02-26-2011

Why are these innovaters and truth misguiders registering on these forums

**Argamemnon** · 02-26-2011

Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

he is indeed.. I have just refuted him in another thread!

This "Quran only movement" is also present in my country of origin.. when I was ignorant about Islam sometimes these people actually managed to confuse me.. but never to the extent that I considered myself a "Quran only believer". Even when I was confused I still found that way too extreme and my imaan was always strong enough (elhamdulillah) to "recover" from that period of confusion.. ignorance is dangerous isn't it?

I've heard that Egypt has its fair share of "Quran only" scholars. BTW, there is a very funny female Islamic scholar in Turkey (an older lady) who doesn't wear hijab claiming that hijab has nothing to do with Islam, lol... And yet there are people who actually believe her! She is a professor.. one of those intellectual types with a massive inferiority complex. Here a pic of her http://im.haberturk.com/2010/11/28/5...jpg?1294344796

**جوري** · 02-26-2011

Originally Posted by Argamemnon

I've heard that Egypt has its fair share of "Quran only" scholars.

Egypt has its fair share of devil worshipers too but the majority of people are like this:

and that is the reality..

**Salahudeen** · 02-26-2011

^I got shivers down my back as I heard them all say "Ameen" so beautifull.

**Argamemnon** · 02-26-2011

Masha'Allah.. I like Egypt and Egyptian people though I've never been there.. I believe most Egyptians are very religious.

**جوري** · 02-26-2011

Originally Posted by Argamemnon

Masha'Allah.. I like Egypt and Egyptian people though I've never been there.. I believe most Egyptians are very religious.

I feel the same way toward ALL Muslims and I really wish we'd fight the prejudices that we have as they're not at all Islamic and be one ummah..

**all4salam** · 02-26-2011

Since Murad won't answer my question, will anyone else????
If the Prophet used to pray for protection from the Dajjal, why aren't there any ayah that speak of this individual in the Qur'an?

Also why is there not one mention of Isa (S) returning to Earth and fighting Dajjal? In fact the only place to find information about Dajjal and Al Mahdi outside the hadith is in Christian Bible.
One last question, If Imam Bukhari and others weren't COMMANDED by Allah to collect traditions of the Prophet, what would the Ummah have besides the Qur'an?

If you say that Allah instructed the hadith compilers, collecters etc. where is the evidence?

**Tyrion** · 02-26-2011

Originally Posted by all4salam

Since Murad won't answer my question, will anyone else????
If the Prophet used to pray for protection from the Dajjal, why aren't there any ayah that speak of this individual in the Qur'an?

Also why is there not one mention of Isa (S) returning to Earth and fighting Dajjal? In fact the only place to find information about Dajjal and Al Mahdi outside the hadith is in Christian Bible.
One last question, If Imam Bukhari and others weren't COMMANDED by Allah to collect traditions of the Prophet, what would the Ummah have besides the Qur'an?

If you say that Allah instructed the hadith compilers, collecters etc. where is the evidence?

Muraad already responded to your post and stated why he didn't answer your question. You're the one who's ignoring his post and trying to make it seem like he's running away from you.

**M.I.A.** · 02-26-2011

Originally Posted by all4salam

Since Murad won't answer my question, will anyone else????
If the Prophet used to pray for protection from the Dajjal, why aren't there any ayah that speak of this individual in the Qur'an?

Also why is there not one mention of Isa (S) returning to Earth and fighting Dajjal? In fact the only place to find information about Dajjal and Al Mahdi outside the hadith is in Christian Bible.
One last question, If Imam Bukhari and others weren't COMMANDED by Allah to collect traditions of the Prophet, what would the Ummah have besides the Qur'an?

If you say that Allah instructed the hadith compilers, collecters etc. where is the evidence?

very few people are commanded, my understanding is that god has power over all things.. every time you step out of your front door, you move things forward. what you do is entirely up to you, what becomes of it is not.

like i said before even if every hadith were true it wouldnt matter in the slightest unless your feet were on the path.. (lol thats not gonna be a funny day)

we are a devided people and it literally is every man for himself.. untill you find another muslim...keep narrowing that definition down and its a ok with me.

questioning is great for self learning, just dont expect to make many friends on your jurney.. guess thats the pot calling the kettle black.

can you even imagine a person who could unite the world? seventy odd sects? "different" religions?

i highly doubt you or i will change our views for them, so the question is not who those people will be or if they will ever come.. but how would you make it occur?
you did live your life with those ideals didnt you?

the fact remaines bring real muslims and even weak hadith can probably be made true.

and that will happen when you can implement the quran properly.. stuck in a feedback loop anybody.

**Ibn Abi Ahmed** · 02-26-2011

We're done here all4salam.

I was nice to you and gave you an ultimatum to continue this discussion even after your clear dishonesty and plagiarism of material from another website and your sneaky deceptive tactics to make your points. Your inability to reply to any of what I have presented to you has shown that you are not capable of continuing this discussion. Clearly, you are an ignoramus who does not know how to conduct a honest dialogue and you have proven yourself to be deceptive throughout this thread, as is clear for everyone to see.

A little recap. You:

When presented with one simple question here, you avoided it until I had to ask you to stop ignoring it here and here. You finally responded with emotional questions here and clearly avoided the simple question i asked you which again made me patiently request that you stop deflecting and answer here.

When you finally decided to answer my question (after being pressed to answer four times) here, you conceded to the fact that the Prophet (saw) did receive revelation other than Qur'an thereby agreeing that your premise for rejecting the Sunnah and Hadeeth is flawed.

I then proceeded to ask your another simple follow up question here. It is at this point that you realize that you are cornered in this discussion and you try to make a way out for yourself by deceptively plagiarizing from another website here.

I then had to call you out on your plagiarism here and then I replied to your plagiarized argument here, even though you completely ran away from answering my second question.

Then you have the audacity to think that I will waste my time to reply to your questions here when you have failed to be the least bit credible in this thread. I even took the time to explain to you how a discussion works here.

So all4salam, I have already replied to your questions and you are the one that has been running away. You were given many chances, even after being exposed for your plagiarism, to continue this discussion. It is clear now that you are not going to be able to continue it and that you will simply spew the same trash you have been spewing all along.

واتل عليهم نبأ الذي آتيناه آياتنا فانسلخ منها فأتبعه الشيطان فكان من الغاوين ولو شئنا لرفعناه بها ولكنه أخلد إلى الأرض واتبع هواه فمثله كمثل الكلب إن تحمل عليه يلهث أو تتركه يلهث ذلك مثل القوم الذين كذبوا بآياتنا فاقصص القصص لعلهم يتفكرون

Ill be nice and translate it for you this time.

[And recite to them, [O Muhammad], the news of him to whom we gave [knowledge of] Our signs, but he detached himself from them; so Satan pursued him, and he became of the deviators. And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought.] 7.175-6

Read and reflect.

Originally Posted by all4salam

Since Murad won't answer my question, will anyone else????
If the Prophet used to pray for protection from the Dajjal, why aren't there any ayah that speak of this individual in the Qur'an?

Also why is there not one mention of Isa (S) returning to Earth and fighting Dajjal? In fact the only place to find information about Dajjal and Al Mahdi outside the hadith is in Christian Bible.
One last question, If Imam Bukhari and others weren't COMMANDED by Allah to collect traditions of the Prophet, what would the Ummah have besides the Qur'an?

If you say that Allah instructed the hadith compilers, collecters etc. where is the evidence?