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    Does the Quran have scientific errors? (OP)


    Hi all, I'm new in this forum and this is my first post.I grew up a Christian but I'm now more of an agnostic.All my morals and culture come from Christianity but I have always been in doubt about the existence of God.
    I like to challenge parts of the religion that don't make sense to me.
    Muslims believe in the same God (Allah) but they don't believe in Jesus as God nor in the Trinity.
    I often read Christians and Islamic apologists criticizing each other's religions.What I do is a take those critics and try to find out if there is any truth in them.If somebody criticizes Islam I try to reach Islamic sources to find out if the critic is valid.
    This next challenge originated by listening to a video from an ex muslim who calls himself "(name removed)".
    He claims the Quran is full of scientific errors and this is one of them.
    He refers to Quran 36 verse 38 specifically.
    Here is the english translation:Quran 36

    37) And a sign for them is the night. We remove from it [the light of] day, so they are in darkness.
    38) And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing"
    39) And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk.
    40) It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.

    There are two different interpretations as far as I know.
    Verse 38 refers to the daily sunset and the sun prostrating waiting for permission to rise again
    orVerse 38 refers to the sun going into the end of its life and therefore the end of human life (resurrection day).

    I found a hadith which seems to clearly show this whole set describes a 24-hour cycle (day and night) and verse 38 "stopping point" refers to the daily Sun stop after sunset (where the sun prostrates beneath the Throne) as mentioned in the same hadith.
    The hadith continues:"then it asks for permission (to rise) and permission is given to it."So after getting permission the sun rises again for another day until the night comes and the sun stops again in its resting place beneath Allah's Throne.The cycle continues every day until one day/night permission will be denied.

    This is the hadith I'm talking about:

    Narrated Abu Dharr: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun is quickly proceeding towards its destination. That is the designing of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing. " (36.38)(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Hadith 421)

    Does this proves the Quran has scientific errors and this is one of them?
    How else you interpret this passage?
    Prophet Muhammad could have commited scientific errors but not Allah and this verse is from Allah although the explanation is from Muhammad.

    Challenging a religion to find the truth is not welcome in certain forums so if that is the case in this forum please disregard my whole post and I will not pursue the discussion.
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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

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    @Eddy
    As said several times before, motion is relative. The statement that the sun moves in reference to earth is not a scientific error. Sun moves regardless whether you are from the earth or from outer space.
    I also mentioned that in fact science has been wrong for centuries.

    I think we are going in circles. I am repeating the same stuff and you keep repeating the same question. My advice is keep science and religion separate. Science can’t prove life after death, it can’t even prove that the soul exists. Religion addresses our spiritual issues which science can’t.
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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy View Post
    The fact is that according to your interpretation the Quran and Hadith contain scientific errors.
    Now I don't want to make your opinion a true representation of all the Islamic world.
    I don't know if you are a scholar.
    Are you?
    Is your view on this matter the view of all (or at least most) Muslims out of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world?
    That’s not my interpretation, it’s your wrong understanding of what I and others have been saying.
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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) here is speaking in the context of how things appear to be from earth not how as they really exist when one looks from the outer space.

    I have made some correction to the statement you previously quoted just to avoid any confusion.

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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy View Post
    So prophet Muhammad is speaking in the context of how things appear.
    The way things appear is not the way really are as you pointed out.
    So you are admitting that prophet Muhammad is being scientifically wrong when describing the trajectory of the sun.
    Yes, he wanted to convey his message to people who wouldn't understand otherwise.
    So because he is communicating to an ignorant person he is giving a scientifically incorrect message to the rest of humanity.
    Am I correct?
    My question to you.
    Wouldn't be easier just to teach the facts as they really are and hope these ignorant people would understand?
    Prophet Muhammad didn't have a problem telling the ignorant person that the sun prostrates underneath Allah's throne waiting for permission to rise again.
    Do you think the ignorant person had no problem understanding this prostration thing but he wouldn't understand sunset is caused by planet earth rotation?
    I find that hard to believe.
    The fact is that according to your interpretation the Quran and Hadith contain scientific errors.
    Now I don't want to make your opinion a true representation of all the Islamic world.
    I don't know if you are a scholar.
    Are you?
    Is your view on this matter the view of all (or at least most) Muslims out of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world?
    wow dude...I just cant believe you...you just ignore everything that doesn't suit you altough it is basic logic stuff and you keep repeating the same garbage over and over again.
    ant to think that you supposed to be on the science side...

    I've had much better construcrive discussions people of the flat earth community...and they were defending their own fairytale flat earth conspiracy theory.

    too bad you are too scared to step out of your fantasy box and start learning new stuff.
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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    wow dude...I just cant believe you...you just ignore everything that doesn't suit you altough it is basic logic stuff and you keep repeating the same garbage over and over again.
    ant to think that you supposed to be on the science side...

    I've had much better construcrive discussions people of the flat earth community...and they were defending their own fairytale flat earth conspiracy theory.

    too bad you are too scared to step out of your fantasy box and start learning new stuff.
    Exactly you are 100% right. I replied this man with the logic and understanding of science as well and deliberately copied and pasted a sentence from 'Abdullah's post to check his ability of understanding. He, in his ignorance, ignored everything else and just focused on that sentence by saying you have copied this etc etc.
    This thread needs to be closed now because I don't think his mental level of understanding is at par to guide him through Astrology and Cosmology things.
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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    Is the trajectory of the sun around planet earth on a 24 hour cycle a scientific fact?

    Good day everyone

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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saira Khan View Post
    Exactly you are 100% right. I replied this man with the logic and understanding of science as well and deliberately copied and pasted a sentence from 'Abdullah's post to check his ability of understanding. He, in his ignorance, ignored everything else and just focused on that sentence by saying you have copied this etc etc.
    This thread needs to be closed now because I don't think his mental level of understanding is at par to guide him through Astrology and Cosmology things.
    Eddy is brainwashed by those people....

    It's obvious that there is no way one can teach him something. He is impossible to be taught.

    Also, what Eddy does not understand is that Quran never meant to be book of science but book of guidance and obly those who are truly guided to Islam will see no errors in Quran.

    I can't Eddy does that. Eddy thinks he is a scholar of Islam for he to argue with us....

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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy View Post
    Is the trajectory of the sun around planet earth on a 24 hour cycle a scientific fact?

    Good day everyone
    We did not talk about trajectory of the sun at all, only thing in discussion has been the motion of the sun ( not its path). And once upon a time ( not too long ago), it was believed that the sun does not move. That was a “scientific fact” fortunately now it is not any more. Finally science got that right after centuries. Had people been judging Quran on the basis of science, they would have said Quran had a scientific error ( because well known “ scientific fact” of their time was that sun does not move).
    You are simply looking for excuses not to accept that you have been proven wrong. There is no mistake in Quran and authentic Hadith and I can understand that it is hard pill to swallow for someone who came to the forum with conviction that there are scientific errors in the Quran.

    Ironically, you started to have a debate on something you have very little knowledge about. Come on man, relative motion is high school level stuff and that is something you are unable to understand. How can you talk about science when you don’t even understand a simple concept of high school level physics?

    All the best for your search for the truth!
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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    Nothing to see here... These "thinker" types pop up around here every now and then pretending to be excited about learning different religions and so on. Shortly after, their intentions start to surface and it's the last we hear from them until the next one comes around. I still remember the "thinkers" who were around for 10+ years asking Islam 101 questions. It's amazing how long they lasted.
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    Re: Does the Quran have scientific errors?

    Quote Originally Posted by keiv View Post
    Nothing to see here... These "thinker" types pop up around here every now and then pretending to be excited about learning different religions and so on. Shortly after, their intentions start to surface and it's the last we hear from them until the next one comes around. I still remember the "thinkers" who were around for 10+ years asking Islam 101 questions. It's amazing how long they lasted.
    yes I agree brother...but still we cannot treat every newcomer by default as those "thinkers". There still might be a few among them who are truely genuine...
    so we have to welcome them and answer their questions with patience...and if he turns out to be a "thinker" later on, we can always ignore him anytime...so nothing is lost...you will still get your hasanat for your patience and being friendly and helpfull.
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